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10-28-2009, 01:20 PM
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10-28-2009, 01:25 PM
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Price? Looks? Those are two categories where I think the 8 might win. And would it whoop the RX-8 if you took 3 8s and combined them together like Voltron? Methinks not.
And did I miss something, or hasn't the M5 existed for quite a while? I know it's not a "true" sports car (whatever the hell that means), but it's a 4-door car that blows the doors off of most other things on the road. Porsche is acting like nobody ever thought to make a powerful fast 4 door car before.
Also, the CTS-V. That thing is a monster for $35,000 less.
And did I miss something, or hasn't the M5 existed for quite a while? I know it's not a "true" sports car (whatever the hell that means), but it's a 4-door car that blows the doors off of most other things on the road. Porsche is acting like nobody ever thought to make a powerful fast 4 door car before.
Also, the CTS-V. That thing is a monster for $35,000 less.
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10-28-2009, 01:54 PM
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Do you not realize the idiocy of what you are saying? 170 corners yes...and also over 100 straights. Any straight the porsche will kill it. The ring would not be a close race. Anything where you are ONLY comparing various corners, and combos of corners the 8 would do just as well and most likely better than the 4000 pound automatic station wagon. Remember, it was YOU who claimed the porsche would whoop the 8 in the handling department. (you didn't specifically say handing, but you did say "any" category, so that includes handing). Explain how the Porsche would Whoop the 8 in handling please.
10-28-2009, 02:09 PM
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Idiocy? Beating the 8 on a race track is beating it in the handling department. Doesn't matter what track it is, the Panamera would likely beat it. To me, track lap times are all that matters. Maybe saying "any" category was incorrect (because I guess the RX8 is better in the price category) and I should have said "any" performance category.
Maybe handling means something different to you then it does to me. And yeah the ring has tons of straight sections
Maybe handling means something different to you then it does to me. And yeah the ring has tons of straight sections
10-28-2009, 02:21 PM
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Idiocy? Beating the 8 on a race track is beating it in the handling department. Doesn't matter what track it is, the Panamera would likely beat it. To me, track lap times are all that matters. Maybe saying "any" category was incorrect (because I guess the RX8 is better in the price category) and I should have said "any" performance category.
Maybe handling means something different to you then it does to me. And yeah the ring has tons of straight sections
Maybe handling means something different to you then it does to me. And yeah the ring has tons of straight sections
10-28-2009, 02:28 PM
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The ring has a turn every 400 feet so some of the "straights" are technically straight but they wouldn't typically be considered straights. Why do I bother.
Simple questions.
How is the 8 better handling than the Panamera?
Are you saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight section?
Simple questions.
How is the 8 better handling than the Panamera?
Are you saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight section?
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10-28-2009, 02:43 PM
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The ring has a turn every 400 feet so some of the "straights" are technically straight but they wouldn't typically be considered straights. Why do I bother.
Simple questions.
How is the 8 better handling than the Panamera?
Are you saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight section?
Simple questions.
How is the 8 better handling than the Panamera?
Are you saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight section?
And to get to the second part of what you jyst said. Well, I am not sure what to say here...
uhh...yes, I AM saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight. If you are going in a straight line, why would you need a car that can handle? Sure, straight line stability matters, but that is not the same thing as handling. Are you sure you are awake today?
10-28-2009, 03:27 PM
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Ok seriously, I have not driven a Panamera, but I am going to go out on a limb and assume that the rx8 would be better overall in terms of balance, feel, nimbleness, etc in a twisty section of a track or public road. I am not including straights. A 4000 lb wagon isn't going to be as good in twisties.
And to get to the second part of what you jyst said. Well, I am not sure what to say here...
uhh...yes, I AM saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight. If you are going in a straight line, why would you need a car that can handle? Sure, straight line stability matters, but that is not the same thing as handling. Are you sure you are awake today?
And to get to the second part of what you jyst said. Well, I am not sure what to say here...
uhh...yes, I AM saying that handling doesn't matter on a high speed straight. If you are going in a straight line, why would you need a car that can handle? Sure, straight line stability matters, but that is not the same thing as handling. Are you sure you are awake today?
Your logic baffles me man. So a 4000lb Wagon that can lap the ring in under 8 minutes isn't going to be good in the "twisties" but an RX8 that laps the ring almost half a minute slower is?
So handling doesn't matter when your passing on a straight at 130MPH?
Your hilarious.
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10-28-2009, 03:38 PM
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i havent driven the panamera either BUT its made by porsce the handling cant be very far from perfect ... as for your weight comment the ctsv weighs 3850lb and i used my dads one for almost a month and its EXCELLENT in the handling department ... i LOVE my 8 and thats the reason i still have it but im sorry to say i think the v would be right on the 8s tail in the twisties too if not right by it ... so to say weight would effect the handling is kinda off if gm can do it im sure porsche can ...
10-28-2009, 03:51 PM
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My favorite thing about porsches is how good the handling is when I am going in a straight line. Oh wait that didn't make any sense...
10-28-2009, 05:52 PM
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I don't see the purpose of comparing the lap times of cars that have a 160 hp difference. Or, 260 hp difference if you look at the Panamera Turbo. The turbo makes more than 2x the power of the RX8 (and starts at 4x the price), so how are they really comparable in any way?
I will say there's a whole heck of a lot more to handling than posting good track times. I'm not saying one handles better than the other, but quite frankly, why the hell wouldn't a $135,000 Porsche out-handle a $30,000 Mazda whether it has 4 doors or not? Especially considering its entire existence is to fill the "4 door sports car market (for rich people)" niche. I would hope people aren't paying $105,000 JUST for the Porsche name!
In the end, I think the Panamera is ugly and quite frankly, nothing else matters to me after that.
I will say there's a whole heck of a lot more to handling than posting good track times. I'm not saying one handles better than the other, but quite frankly, why the hell wouldn't a $135,000 Porsche out-handle a $30,000 Mazda whether it has 4 doors or not? Especially considering its entire existence is to fill the "4 door sports car market (for rich people)" niche. I would hope people aren't paying $105,000 JUST for the Porsche name!
In the end, I think the Panamera is ugly and quite frankly, nothing else matters to me after that.
10-28-2009, 07:48 PM
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105k+ gets you amazing build quality. there are absolutely no, ahem, rattles. there's hand stitched leather, the best brakes in the biz, etc. etc. methinks yeahyeahyouwere doesn't understand or appreciate what money gets you.
this weekend, i plan to take a video or some hd pics of the panamera. that should help to put things in perspective. if they let me take it off the lot by myself, i'll shoot the pics next to my 8 so you can really get an idea.
this weekend, i plan to take a video or some hd pics of the panamera. that should help to put things in perspective. if they let me take it off the lot by myself, i'll shoot the pics next to my 8 so you can really get an idea.
10-28-2009, 08:05 PM
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That's my point - I think it's borderline intellectually bankrupt to try to compare the Panamera to the RX-8 because it's just not apples to apples. Of course the Panamera is better, it costs at least 3x as much. I'm not taking a dig at the RX-8, I'm just being realistic.
10-28-2009, 09:13 PM
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i think people are right to compare handling. the rx8 is easily one of the top 10 best handling cars across all makes and models, and it's probably in the top 5. the panamera, beast that it is, is right up there too.
even stopping distance 100-0 is comparable. though i'd be interested in an endurance test of the stock 8's brakes. the porsche just doesn't wear out. it could do a hundred consecutive 100-0 stops without losing brake feel. i imagine the 8 would fair pretty well.
but then there's that extra 100k. and damn. as soon as you sit down and start your engine, you know why you spent it. you're immersed in luxury and power.
even stopping distance 100-0 is comparable. though i'd be interested in an endurance test of the stock 8's brakes. the porsche just doesn't wear out. it could do a hundred consecutive 100-0 stops without losing brake feel. i imagine the 8 would fair pretty well.
but then there's that extra 100k. and damn. as soon as you sit down and start your engine, you know why you spent it. you're immersed in luxury and power.
10-28-2009, 09:21 PM
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No doubt, its ridiculous to compare the RX8 to the Panamera or quite honestly any late model Porsche.
I was just defending that fact that the Porsche does outperform it. Some people feel they have to defend the 8 so much and its just ridiculous. To say the RX8 out handles the Panamera is also ridiculous.
Yeah? Like what?
I was just defending that fact that the Porsche does outperform it. Some people feel they have to defend the 8 so much and its just ridiculous. To say the RX8 out handles the Panamera is also ridiculous.
I will say there's a whole heck of a lot more to handling than posting good track times.
10-28-2009, 09:28 PM
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Skidpad? Lane change? Figure 8?
Also, for the record, the Veyron lapped the Nurburgring faster than the 911 GT3 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times. So do we all agree the Veyron is the better handling car?
Also, for the record, the Veyron lapped the Nurburgring faster than the 911 GT3 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times. So do we all agree the Veyron is the better handling car?
10-28-2009, 09:32 PM
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10-28-2009, 10:07 PM
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Skidpad? Lane change? Figure 8?
Also, for the record, the Veyron lapped the Nurburgring faster than the 911 GT3 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times. So do we all agree the Veyron is the better handling car?
Also, for the record, the Veyron lapped the Nurburgring faster than the 911 GT3 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times. So do we all agree the Veyron is the better handling car?
Figure 8? Are we talking a matchbox cars racing track or a real track?
Skidpad? 400HP "base" model = Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g 0.96) Oh, FYI, the RX8 pulls a lateral G of 0.88 to 0.90 (depending on which test you look at)
Lane Change? You mean on a straight? Because renesisgenesis said that doesn't have anything to do with handling, haha.
If the Veyron beat it, it beat it.
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10-28-2009, 10:29 PM
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10-28-2009, 10:36 PM
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Figure 8? Are we talking a matchbox cars racing track or a real track?
Skidpad? 400HP "base" model = Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g 0.96) Oh, FYI, the RX8 pulls a lateral G of 0.88 to 0.90 (depending on which test you look at)
Lane Change? You mean on a straight? Because renesisgenesis said that doesn't have anything to do with handling, haha.
If the Veyron beat it, it beat it.
Skidpad? 400HP "base" model = Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g 0.96) Oh, FYI, the RX8 pulls a lateral G of 0.88 to 0.90 (depending on which test you look at)
Lane Change? You mean on a straight? Because renesisgenesis said that doesn't have anything to do with handling, haha.
If the Veyron beat it, it beat it.
10-28-2009, 10:36 PM
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Oh, and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtzMaCoq2_4
More power, more cost, and better numbers definitely equal better handling, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtzMaCoq2_4
More power, more cost, and better numbers definitely equal better handling, huh?
10-29-2009, 08:28 AM
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Oh, and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtzMaCoq2_4
More power, more cost, and better numbers definitely equal better handling, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtzMaCoq2_4
More power, more cost, and better numbers definitely equal better handling, huh?
In truth, it's not quite that simple because Lord knows what mods those cars might have, and it may also just be a matter of the Miata having the better driver too, but the point remains, the quickest car around the track is not always the best handling.
Anyways, this thread has been hi-jacked enough, and the Panamera is still ugly.