Aoshi Shinomori

Ugh, that is such a silly argument. Just because it has a big name does not in any way mean it is superior to every other brand. What do the names matter to you? Since more people know the names of the brake company, that qualifies them somehow?

BlueEyes

I don't know. I don't know who makes those parts. For all we know they are brembo and Macpherson. A lot of companies have a bunch of different divisions. The high profile and the rest. I know Brembo owns a bunch of different brake companies. The engineering is still brembo, but it doesn't carry the name.

cas2themoe

Come on now Blue, that would just be plain stupid from a business stand point not to put their name on it.

cas2themoe

Not at all! But hypothetically speaking, what if the EVO and STi were stripped of the performance parts such as Turbo, Brembo Brakes and so on? What would happen there? There performance capabilities would decrease dramatically. Then would it be more "even" to compare them against something such as an S2000 or RX8? You cant really argue when it comes to name brands anyways because we know for sure Brembo and MacPherson have better performance products than most.

Seems like I'm always fighting a losing battle and most of the time its the same people.

Aoshi Shinomori

No it wouldn't, it is done all the time. Think of three car companies. Any three major car companies you pick, I guarantee that one is owned by another(majority of it anyway) and doesn't carry the name of the mother company.

Aoshi Shinomori

Are you kidding me? Those parts are the only thing making them sports cars. They are the Evo and STi. Take them away and you have family sedans with lackluster performance. Take away the Renesis and throw in a non turbo 13bREW and what happens to our cars performance. Making arguments like this are so childish. Why do you need to defend your car so? I love my car, but don't need to do things like this to make me feel like I made the right decision. These cars outperform ours in like every way possible, face it. They won't lose those parts, face it. You're fighting a losing battle because you are wrong, face it.

cas2themoe

It would if I were in charge. Why wouldn't I not put my name on a product if it were mine? Or if it was a sub-division of my product but still made by us, why wouldn't I put my name somewhere on it. Its called marketing and companies have to do that to survive. Its kinda like having speakers and having no company name on them.

cas2themoe

Once again it looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Aoshi Shinomori

That's why you aren't in charge :p

cas2themoe

Oh I know that. Just like Ford and Mazda

Aoshi Shinomori

Okay, that kind of contradicts everything you just said, no?

cas2themoe

Your wrong buddy. I am in charge, in charge of my own business that is having a recorded breaking year as a matter of fact. And speaking of names, we just made up stickers about 4 months ago that we put on the back of our Tractor to promote our Company. I have a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science and Associates Degree in Business Administration, I think I have a clue of what I'm doing.

cas2themoe

No, it doesnt sorry.

cas2themoe

See what I mean. But they promote it! http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm :D

Aoshi Shinomori

'Twas a joke. That's good to hear about your company, never said you didn't know what you were doing.

cas2themoe

I know, I'm just messing with you, just like your messing with me! :D

Aoshi Shinomori

They're showing their family of brands, that's all well and good but Ford doesn't have its name on any Mazda product, see what I mean? Brembo probably does similar things with companies it owns. VW/Audi/Lamborghini/Bugatti all these are part of VW(I think that is how it works, someone call me out if I mixed it up) but none have any of the others names all over them. They are "separate companies in a way, but when you trace it back, money goes to the mama bear.

cas2themoe

Are you telling me that I cant find a Mazda Vechile that has Ford on it somewhere through out the body?

Aoshi Shinomori

I am not saying that. If they used Ford parts then it would have a Ford logo on it. What I am saying is that Mazda cars have a Mazda badge, not a Ford badge. By your logic, the Mazda name should have been dropped for Ford.

cas2themoe

Thats not what I'm trying to saying. As I was saying with the Brembo Brakes, yes they have other companies under them. But Brembo is or should have their name still somewhere on their product. Ever have a Brisk Ice Tea,Tropicana or Aquafina Water? All seem to be their own product but you read the label and its going to have "Product of Pepsi Corp". Thats what I was trying to say.

Aoshi Shinomori

Whatever, I am done with this thread methinks. I will wander off around the forum and continue to post *****. Oreo, you have my deepest apologies.

cas2themoe

Now thats funny! :p

Steiner

Even though I'm the one posting stupid pictures you have somehow managed to make yourself look increasingly stupid with each succesive post.

I'm not even gonna argue the ugly car thing since you're the only one seemingly fixated on that, although I'm totally OK with you thinking an Evo is ugly. That's life. However this whole thing about Brembo brakes, turbochargers, AWD and "McPherson" struts being tantamount to cheating may just win you the fanboi of the year award. Last time I've heard somebody as passionate about that as you I was browsing an RSX forum full of teenagers pissed off that they were getting pulled on by Cobalts, Ions and SRT-4's. It's really pathetic and it doesn't even make sense. For one, McPherson is not a brand. Rather it's a type of strut configuration that got popular in the 80's when more and more lightweight FWD cars from Japan were hitting the roads. Sorta like "Tommy John surgery" or "Murphy's Law". Try to wrap your college educated brain around that before spouting off more nonsense.

This idea that turbochargers, aftermarket brakes, stiffer suspension and AWD are somehow a disingenuous means to an end is the battle cry of the jealous and/or ignorant. There's a saying: run what you brung and STFU. You need to put that in your signature and think about exactly what it means before you start mindlessly tapping away again on that keyboard.

You also have equated turbochargers and big brakes with cheating, but what about a rotary engine? That's definately a novelty item - although I'm sure in your peanut mind there's a perfectly good justification for that being taken off the list. Although, outside of the RX-8, I know of no other production car even being made with a rotary engine.

Secondly, we've got a couple guys in here with aftermarket turbo chargers on their RX-8. That's quite a predicament for you. What do you have to say to them? Are they cheating too, or are they just oportunists because they drive the same car as you - albeit modified. And what about the Mazdaspeed RX-8...is that cheating too? And what about weight lifting in the NFL, or boob jobs in ****, or mouth gaurds in boxing, or diapers on babies? Those are all apparently forms of "cheating" by your impossible definition of "fair".

DARKMAZ8

I just read this thread and I would like CAS to give me my 15 minutes of life back!!!!!!

BTW nice pics oreo!

Steiner

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