Looks like Mazdaspeed (MPS) is back and sooner than you think.

2.5 Turbo is happening, said to be in 4 new derivative models and AWD.

Mazda 3, 6, even new ND or could be CX-3..

PLUS

All new CX-9, and a all new CX-7 which will be a stretched CX-5.

Believe it or not?

i think they are to do a mazdaspeed 2


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but if they do the cx-3


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they better say so soon so i know to save my money. and they better make it with those graphics available

Already lost interest in the ND? :lol:

:) this has been a meandering conversation since the beginning. mostly because i keep meandering it :)

this turbo'd skyactive engine should see its way into a mazdaspeed ND before too long.

see, on topic :)

my 2 cents on it:

if will be a car with a 2.5 liter turbocharged engine on ND platform , in my opinion will be a coupè a-la Rx7,with a different style respect ND MX-5, and this decision will be collateral to the decision about to build or not to build the next rotary car.

Looking good.


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2016 ND MX-5 Suspension Look
 

Some ND MX-5 suspension images, while design concept is similar as NC/RX-8 the parts are all new and obviously not the same.
6M Transmission is called a M66M-D (NC/S2-RX-8 is a P66M-D).
Also see the ND Rear Wheel Bearing Hub is a much simpler 3 bolt and separated throw away bearing hub similar to the front removable 4 bolt hub on NC/RX-8 (no more pressing out of rear wheel bearing for ND)



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Good grief there are some bloody awful release colours for the ND, the usual Soul Red, and the Silver looks OK.

But rest are all dull, seen before stuff..

Where is something different...STANDOUT!

And speaking of Where, has anyone heard from Paul at Mazmart?, it has been a few months since he has posted here, just a little concerned.

I have just PM him, but I thought I would take this public.

New ND full OEM parts listing is up. (left and right hand drive).

As we know ND is all new, and very few shared parts from RX-8/NC, though there are some in suspension (like shock rubber bushes/spacers).

The RWD 6MT Transmission is all new and interestingly Mazda has gone back to splitting the Trans casing into a 3 piece unit (separated Bell Housing, Gear Casing and Extension Housing).

A few interesting ''unserviceable items'', like Rear Sway Bushes are only available with a new rear Sway Bar.!, I trust this will change in time.

Mazda is also using a alloy Oil Pan (Sump) Cover Plate for new ND similar in design to the S2 RX-8 unit fixed with 9 metal bolts.

Anyway..........

These links to early reviews were emailed to me as part of a Good-Win Racing newsletter, and I thought some of you might enjoy reading them.

2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Club Review

2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Club Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata vs. 2015 Subaru BRZ Comparison - Motor Trend

Driving the 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata and its ancestors

2016 Mazda MX-5 First Drive | Articles |

The 2016 Mazda Miata Is Undeniably Fantastic

First Drive: 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata | Driving

2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata 2.0L First Drive [w/video]

we wish that were true. XD

either way, I would very much appreciate owning an ND one day.. I can't afford to be an early adopter but then I would rather save a few to ten grand ;)

Thanks for the links...and yes I have read a few US reviews, as the US gets the MX-5 second after Japan release...

Interesting a reviewer was 'complaining' about the new ND's dead feel Steering and how it is not as good as the NC's hydraulic Power Steering, remember the all New ND has electric (motorised) power steering rack for it's system...so it is similar to the new Mazda 2,3,6,CX-3,CX-5.

Also complaints about the ND not having a Glove Compartment, I have not checked, but this dos not sound correct to me...might have a look at EPC later...

Another how the 2.0l Horsepower is down on the ND when compared to the NC.
167 (NC) horsepower down to 155 (ND) hp.
But the ND is lighter so the power to weight ratio is probably slightly better in the ND.

Others saying it looks better in the flesh than in pictures.

Some of the parts (suspension components) appear to be very light and I wonder about durability and reliability.

Mazda in USA are looking at 20,000 sales units for the ND for a year, pretty ambitious.

Don't get me wrong I really like the all new ND, but in some ways it has lost it's Miata-ness.

I will own another MX-5 in the next few years. I'll let the ND shake out for a while and then decide which car to buy. It looks like it could be a winner so far, but time will tell.

It does look better in person than in pictures, I can attest to that (NYC Auto Show). Though looks are entirely subjective to the person so ymmv

It is down on power, but it is also faster (it tips the stock RX-8 in off-the-line accelation easily now, about a second faster than the NC 0-60, faster than the FRS/BRZ/FT86).

It is also faster than the stock MSM was IIRC.

Yup. Fastest stock Miata ever produced, 2nd lightest, highest economy, most interior room, best looking.

I thought it had basically the same setup as the 8.

I am still in the land of the living. I am super grateful for the concern Ash.

I agree on colors. Who is directing this ship? Why no serious yellow? I am digging the blue though.

Paul.

Hey ASH8 I spoke with Paul at Mazmart a couple of weeks ago and he was fine, as his post above shows him alive and kicking.

ASH8 ,in Australia, will the better mileage in the new MX-5 offset the added cost of it now recommending premium fuel ?

I'm glad to have finally dealt with you too Gwiiliams. You are quite the rotor head :).

Paul.

Anyone thinking of trading in their 8 for one of these?

Hell no

I've owned three (!) since 1991 and yes, the thought has crossed my mind. But seein' as how I've had the 8 for nearly ten years now, guess I really like it, and will be keeping it.

That said, on a warm summer night or a crisp autumn day, nothing beats a Miata. Wish I could have both.

Not to rub it in...

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:)

Sorry for late response, I did not see it.:)

I doubt it, but NC MX-5 owners here are talking a huge hit on price as the ND comes in at (up to $15,000 AUD CHEAPER on the 1.5l), proves my point that Mazda Australia has gouged their customers here in OZ for years, and still does on some other models.

Our currency differences are not it, and our taxes are close to or lower than US.
We get both the 1.5 and 2.0, so it "justifies" the low entry price of 1.5l, which will not sell after the first MY (IMO)....most will want 2.0.

Full prices here are not released as the car is a August release. (we are in winter now).

But I use premium fuel in both my cars anyway (98-100 RON), I can definitely tell the difference and they perform run better, but about $1.00 a gallon more.

Definitely not. Adding one to the fold in a couple of years? Definite maybe. :p:

2016 Mazda Miata in America


Look at all the ND's landing in US, isn't this exciting..!


First choice colour Soul Red, (being done to death), this reminds me (almost) of the NA first release, only red, white and blue were available for the first few years.
Where is the POW colour?

A vid. all tucked in for offload...

in my opinion actual color palette lacks of a bright green, or a yellow o a more intriguing blue (blue reflex mica is not so good on a ND).

i think that will be addressed in MY17 and/or special editions.

Agree M8, but at a new car launch, I love the Soul Red, but Mazda are doing it to death, every new car at (launch) is Soul Red (with the extra SR price for the privilege).

The ND (any MX-5) is supposed to be different, not having a totally different colour palette IMO is a mistake.

"Special Editions" there will be many of those to come! ;)

I already know it handles no better than a NC as it is basically the same suspension design, the engine has less power (slightly), but the car is lighter, so very little improvements there.

Frankly I believe there is not enough 'special' in this ND, yes the updated electronics are great (if you want them), but, I don't know, I have to wait, I am just not that excited about it....yet.

Well Ash

At least Mazda pricing is much much better this time here in Aus.

comparing to the US pricing, still room to go, but it's much better than the NC pricewise at least. Feel sorry for the current NC owners though, imaging you wanna off load one now.:scared:

We don't really know what the ND 2.0 will be here, and don't forget this is not a PRHT, which here added about $4000, so take that off and add on the 2.0 on the 1.5 price, I am thinking the 2.0 ND Softies will be about $8K cheaper than the NC Softie 2.0 (when it was available years ago in Oz), the last few years only the PRHT were available for OZ.

So we are not comparing exact same models...now when the ND MRHT comes out in 2017-18, it will be more $$'s than a sofite, Mazda are still having 'perfection' issues with MRHT.

And apart from the limited SR NC, most NC owner's here wont have that much of a hit as I don't see many late model trade ins for the ND, beside sales of NC's in last 5 years were very small....still a hit.

Here we go, just after writing the post above I get an alert and here it is, I am glad Wheels thinks like I do on some things....not far off with my pricing guesses either :)

2015 Mazda MX-5 2.0-litre review | Wheels

Interesting according to WHEELS Mag in OZ the 2.0 SA-G in the MX-5 makes Max Power @ 900 RPM lower than the NC Ford/MZR non DI engine with it's forged Crankshaft and Rods (MT Only).

Why has Mazda not beefed up this engine?, I have not given it a thorough parts comparison between the 2.0 SA-G in an ND to the SA-G 2.0 in BM Mazda 3....?

BTW, With an annual Year-To-Date (YTD) market share of 9.8 per cent, Mazda Australia's record sales month gave it a 9.2 per cent market share for June 2015. It remains Australia's second most popular manufacturer and the country's leading full-line importer.

Look out Toyota, Mazda is coming to get you and be #1, astonishing!.

why is there no yellow? they used to always offer a yellow on sports cars when the new version launched

my 2 cent....this could be a reason:

stroke of MZR 2.0 83.1 mm

stroke of SKYACTIV 2.0 91.2 mm

Yeah, could be M8, I guess we will have to wait and see if this engine pushes out any conrods like MT NC1's did (as they were basically a stock standard MZR 2.0 used in a MZ3, until NC2 in 2009).

I will do a part number check and get back...

Just did some parts checking, the 2.0 SKYACTIV Engine in the ND MX-5 Manual Transmission uses the exact same Crankshaft, Pistons, Rods, Rings as the FWD 2.0 SA-G used in a CX-3 or Mazda 3.

PE02-11-300A Crankshaft 2.0
PEY2-11-SA0A Pistons 2.0
PEY1-11-SC0 Rings 2.0
PE01-11-210C Conrod 2.0

??, wait until ND2.

:)

I really want the ND to be a success, but there is just no 'out of the ball park' change to this model.

For Mazda to actually first consider only ever using the small 1.5 engine option (according to Wheels Mag) like the original 1.6 in the NA of 1989, then it shows where their head is/was at, until Mazda USA said it Must have a 2.0.

And I Totally understand what the MX-5 is (I own one), but for an NC owner, all I see to an outlay is a new body, slightly lighter (than a PRHT), new electronics and apparently horrible seats after 60 minutes of use (Mazda took away metal seat springs, only all foam now), less security with the fabric only soft top.

Unfortunately this chassis has not been engineered for more HP, so we will never see a larger or more powerful version, unless they invest big dollars or use a future RX-?.

I believe this is a huge mistake in ND, they could have made the 2.5 option available.
As I have just proven the 2.0 in the ND is nothing special.

Yes there will be a boost in sales numbers for about 2 years and will taper off to only being small unit sales and the never ending "Special Editions" of paint colours and nick knacks.

I want that itchy nuts factor, and this does not do it for me, perhaps I am getting too old?:yelrotflm.

IMO you need to reassess the situation. It's an NC with a 230 lb weight loss. All else being equal, the lighter car corners faster. Plus it has better better performance straight line. Overall it's a better performing car than the NC.

If I were you I'd pay for a new ND by cancelling my trip to Egypt :p:


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How do you know I was going to Egypt!!:smoker:

Anyway, lets not confuse Mazda publicity or journalists with actual numbers...
I never believed either until it's officially posted and after the car is made for actual sale.

230 lbs. weight loss is wrong....when comparing a 2015 NC MT Softie (Grand Touring) with ND MT (spec?), there is actually 179 lbs. difference or weight loss.

Comparing a top spec NC MT PRHT to a ND MT Softie there is 261 lbs. difference.
So it is not exactly apples with apples, until a HT in ND is made.

I expect once the full range of ND and Specs are officially listed that the gap will narrow even more between GT NC and a ?? ND, Soft Top.

A base mode NC MT Softie is 148 lbs. heavier (IF the 2332 lbs. MT ND is a base model?)..

A bit off the 230 lbs. :p:

Also checked the Valve Train on this ND 2.0 and it is exact same as 2.0 SA-G Mazda CX-3 and Mazda 3, except the Exhaust Camshaft which is ND specific,
all the other bits (Inlet camshaft, all valves, springs, timing chain, EVVT units) are stock standard SA-G 2.0.

IMO this is why the RPM is lower in ND (for engine reliability, and yes the SA-G has a longer stroke than MZR).

2.0l MT Trans..
NC2 167 hp @ 7000 rpm....ND 155 hp @ 6000 rpm.
NC2 Torque 140 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm....ND 148 lb-ft @ 4600 rpm.
NC2 Redline 7200 rpm....ND ???? rpm.

Will be interesting to compare exact 6MT Gear ratio's and final drive


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I was going to write 150 - 250 lbs, so valid point. Regardless, it's still faster cornering or straightline.

The issue with a 2.5L is that everyghing will need to be beefed up & heavier, which takes them away from the lightweight premise. Being that the ND is the fastest Miata ever produced it seems like the 2.0 was the proper choice to achieve their objective.

Road & Track corner weighed the 2.0 ND that was supplied to them. They previously weighed a 2010 NC soft top @ 2525 lbs. both USDM


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But you did not write it.

There is stuff all difference between the two (<180 lbs.), power to weight ratio (NC and ND Soft Top), in fact the NC Soft Top has more power to weight (Mazda USA weight)
NC 0.665073
ND 0.664665

Meanwhile in the real world...

I weigh 76 kilo's you weigh ??, say 85? (dunno), but any weight benefit is a moot point, depends who 'drives' the car and own body weight, if you really want to be pedantic (oh you do), sorry I forgot.

What was the body weight of the R&T operator when testing on track of NC back whenever, to the ND, same driver ?

And I have posted before that Mazda has not engineered this car to take any more HP (since confirmed by ND product developer Yamamoto while in Oz), (without major add on parts changes and tooling costs) which IMO is a mistake, or perhaps goes to prove finally what they (Mazda) are not going to do in the future of RWD, who knows?

We may all be surprised.

The real world realizes that power to weight is an area under the time curve relationship, not a peak number that only exists for a fraction of a second. The same NC soft top that they weighed was 1/2 second slower 0 - 60 than the ND test. I know that it takes some considerable NC mods to record the ND acceleration times being reported by numerous sources not written by me. Unless you can change your weight based on which car your in then the point is moot. Faster is faster, but feel free to continue arguing that it's not :lol:

All early reviews indicate this to be a better Miata: more interior space, almost as light as the original from 1989, better handling, etc, etc.

I have no doubt it's true.

Me neither, they all say that with every iteration, the differences this time are not that great, uses same suspension as NC, it not quite a 50:50 balance as a lot of weight has been taken out of back end and engine (ND uses a cast crank and rods, not forged)...but Mazda did moved the ND engine a little further back to try and compensate/balance (5 mm).

Gearbox is much smaller and lighter, basically back to the old M setup.

It is not as light as what they claimed it was 'going to be', it was going to come in 1000 kg (2200 lbs), the 1.5 might get closer to that, I will post when I actually drive and compare in a few months.

I don't always believe what 'a' tester says from a paid motoring magazine, as they get it wrong so many times.
Like C&D talking/reviewing the new CX-3 in the USA, and comparing everything about it to the Mazda 3, it has next to nothing in common with the 3 (apart from the same 2.0 used in the 3 and MX-5 and 3 brakes (for the larger HP engine)), but the CX-3 is a all new DJ Mazda 2 derivative/platform, C&D don't even mention this and keep referring to the 3.
Interior dimensions and size is a Mazda 2 not 3.

Take a look of the CX-3 1.5 diesel video here.

IMO the 1.5 ND might just sell better here in Oz than the 2.0 as it is so much cheaper, until they bring out the hardtop...all good.

Here is a Mazda Australia (all model) TV commercial now playing down under...

Nice post, thanks ASH8