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Just 3 more days till practice. The wait is finally almost over
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/8/11148.html Whitmarsh: McLaren close to unlocking potential After stealing a march on their rivals at the start of the season with their innovative F-duct, McLaren have since fallen behind in the 2010 development race. Late introducing their version of the blown diffuser, they have struggled to match Red Bull and Ferrari at recent races and lost their championship lead at the last round. However, ahead of next weekend’s Belgian Grand Prix, team principal Martin Whitmarsh maintains it is only a matter of time before McLaren tap into the performance gains he feels are buried within the MP4-25 and its latest updates. “As we’ve always stated, we believe there are some large areas of performance locked within the car and its recent upgrade, and we are confident that our solid-engineering approach will enable us to fully unlock them sooner rather than later,” he said. While media focus concerning Red Bull and Ferrari has moved on to ‘flexible’ front wings, McLaren have still to perfect the blown-diffuser concept - one which Red Bull introduced at the start of the year and which Ferrari have had working well for several races now. “While we believe our recent upgrades have given us a downforce improvement, it appears that the package hasn’t yet delivered to its full potential, particularly in terms of providing the drivers with a consistent, confidence-delivering platform,” admitted Whitmarsh. Unable to conduct significant development over the summer break thanks to the obligatory factory shutdown, McLaren are now pinning their hopes on further testing at Spa-Francorchamps next weekend to optimise the updated MP4-25 package. “We were able to carry out some useful evaluative tests during practice in Hungary, which provided us with some useful data and avenues for experimentation,” explained Whitmarsh. “And we’ll take that programme further in Spa, running floor rakes during practice to supply us with more information.” There are other causes for optimism at McLaren. The downtime since Hungary has allowed the team to carry out maintenance work on their windtunnel, which should improve its correlation, and some believe the stricter front wing rigidity tests to be introduced at Spa could play into their hands if rivals are forced to revise their cars. Driver Jenson Button urged caution, though: “While we’re optimistic that the bodywork rules clarification will close the gap among the top teams, and that both Spa and Monza should suit our package better than the Hungaroring, it’s still important that we regain the momentum we’d reached earlier this season.” Despite their recent woes, McLaren remain very much in the hunt for both titles. They trail Red Bull by just eight points in the constructors’ standings, while Button and team mate Lewis Hamilton are fourth and second respectively in the drivers’ table. |
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Lauda: Ferrari face a ‘pasting’ from WMSC Former Ferrari driver Niki Lauda believes the Italian team will be heavily punished by the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) next month for their use of team orders at the recent German Grand Prix. Ferrari received a $100,000 fine from race stewards after Felipe Massa moved aside to hand team mate Fernando Alonso victory, but the case was also referred on to the WMSC which will meet to consider the matter on September 8, just two days before the start of Ferrari's home Grand Prix. “What they did in Hockenheim was against all rules,” Lauda told Formula1.com. “Either the rules are changed or everybody observes them. What they’ve done is wrong and they got an immediate punishment - and they will get a pasting from the World Council, that is for sure.” While acknowledging that opinions differ on the team orders debate, three-time world champion Lauda said that in his view Ferrari’s actions were an insult to the intelligence of Formula One fans. “You have two models of how to race in Formula One as a team. If you approach it politically then you are in the Ferrari mould. Or you try to give both your drivers equal opportunities and the fans an exciting sport, as Red Bull are doing in letting their drivers compete with each other. “That is what makes this sport a crowd puller because they see the best guys in the best cars racing each other with a ‘may the best man win’ philosophy - and not mocking the fans with a collusive result.” The Hockenheim stewards decided Ferrari had breached Article 39.1 of the 2010 Sporting Regulations, which bans team orders that interfere with a race result, and Article 151 c) of the International Sporting Code, by bringing the sport into disrepute |
Alfy, you missed this one.
Scherzinger and Hamilton ready for children http://www.f1technical.net/news/1528...la+One+news%29 |
Originally Posted by alnielsen
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Alfy, you missed this one.
Scherzinger and Hamilton ready for children http://www.f1technical.net/news/1528...la+One+news%29 Btw to the F1 fans here, what your predictions for the upcoming tracks. Spa- I think this will go to mcarlen due to lots of straights. We all know how mclaren hasnt got the downforce right like the teams like RB and Ferrari. monza- i mclaren again. China- either RB and Ferrari. Even though RB has the downforce part correct, it hink Ferrari will put a good fight also in that department. Korea - not sure, i havent see the track layout yet Japan- i want to say mclaren, but then again suzuka has some curves that is best for hte Ferrari and RB. Brazil- i want to say mcarlen again due to the some very highspeed straights. Abu Dabi- i think this will go to RB and Ferrari, due to better use of Downforce. |
In spa you need downforce not to fly at the eau rouge and other nasty turns :) I'd say Ferrari there. Monza is a long straight masked as a track :)
Anyway I just refused to leave for the weekend to the seaside to watch this upcoming event. I love spa-francorchamps! |
Originally Posted by bse50
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In spa you need downforce not to fly at the eau rouge and other nasty turns :) I'd say Ferrari there. Monza is a long straight masked as a track :)
Anyway I just refused to leave for the weekend to the seaside to watch this upcoming event. I love spa-francorchamps! |
Originally Posted by alfy28
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Abu Dabi- i think this will go to RB and Ferrari, due to better use of Downforce.
I'm saying McLaren there instead of Brazil. Otherwise I agree with Spa and Monza hopefully suiting the McLaren package. All other races I say Red Bull. Ferrari might struggle but I think Red Bull has the upper hand. |
Originally Posted by PerSmitt
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Abu Dhabi has the longest straight in the F1 calendar. McLaren was also dominant there last year even when they had a car struggling with downforce.
I'm saying McLaren there instead of Brazil. Otherwise I agree with Spa and Monza hopefully suiting the McLaren package. All other races I say Red Bull. Ferrari might struggle but I think Red Bull has the upper hand. |
Originally Posted by alfy28
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oh yah i forgot about that. Wasnt that the track t hat koboyashi owned button on?
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Originally Posted by PerSmitt
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Nah that was Brazil. Koba owned Fisichella on Interlagos too, cutting the inside in turn 1 past the red toy car.
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Hey persm you are right, i started to remember that Abu is a night track. maybe it was valenica i am thinking about.
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Monza has some straights, but it also has chicanes (that breaks up those straights) and long sweeping corners where the downforce is needed. It is also the home race for Ferarri. They will be working hard to win it.
I call it a toss-up. Korea, there may not even be a race. Reports are that the track isn't even ready anytype of racing at the moment. Asphalt hasn't been put down, guard rails & cement barriers haven't been installed and many support buildings haven't been built. |
Originally Posted by alfy28
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nah i think it was abu. it was like closer to the later laps.
Koba drove well in both races so it is fully possible. Here is a clip from interlagos 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyPmvtfXKc It is when Button finally passes Kobayashi. They have been fighting back and forth before this. And here is in Abu Dhabi when Koba pulls a great stunt on Button so, yeah Koba has nice fights with Button on both races: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nETQWHxebkw |
Hamilton fined for doing a burnout (back in march). Seriously.
If someone safely can pull off a burnout it would be an F1 driver. http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsp...ory/26301.html But the law is the law, and justice is blind (and dumb too). |
OK, "Hypothetically" So say Mark Webber did a Burn Out in front of Swedish Cops on a main street of Stockholm you would think it is dumb if he was fined and later ordered to pay the fine with No Court Conviction.??
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Originally Posted by PerSmitt
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It is when Button finally passes Kobayashi. They have been fighting back and forth before this. And here is in Abu Dhabi when Koba pulls a great stunt on Button so, yeah Koba has nice fights with Button on both races: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nETQWHxebkw |
Originally Posted by ASH8
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OK, "Hypothetically" So say Mark Webber did a Burn Out in front of Swedish Cops on a main street of Stockholm you would think it is dumb if he was fined and later ordered to pay the fine with No Court Conviction.??
Now, I am not aware what the conditions were when Hamilton did the burnout, but it seems excessive to drag it to a court of law. If the cops hand out a fine, then ok. But to pull it in front of a court of law seems like overkill. Maybe I am justifying my own behavior but i gladly chirp the tires when I feel happy and have the opportunity. Recently some newly graduates from school (18 year olds) pulled up next to me at a red light and they wanted to hear the engine rev, so I gave them some sound and then a burnout when the light turned green. They were really happy about it and I was happy to give them some fun. I really don't think I caused anyone any harm except my own tire account. |
Originally Posted by ASH8
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OK, "Hypothetically" So say Mark Webber did a Burn Out in front of Swedish Cops on a main street of Stockholm you would think it is dumb if he was fined and later ordered to pay the fine with No Court Conviction.??
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Originally Posted by PerSmitt
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Yes, I do. I believe that you should be allowed to express joy by chirping the tires if the surrounding traffic permits it and it can be done safely.
Now, I am not aware what the conditions were when Hamilton did the burnout, but it seems excessive to drag it to a court of law. If the cops hand out a fine, then ok. But to pull it in front of a court of law seems like overkill. Maybe I am justifying my own behavior but i gladly chirp the tires when I feel happy and have the opportunity. Recently some newly graduates from school (18 year olds) pulled up next to me at a red light and they wanted to hear the engine rev, so I gave them some sound and then a burnout when the light turned green. They were really happy about it and I was happy to give them some fun. I really don't think I caused anyone any harm except my own tire account. And While I am not defending Victorian Cops or their System, what do you expect them to do, he is NOT an Australian Resident is he, the fine payment terms/length had expired, So if you do not PAY you are summons to Court like all Australians...and probably Americans. Every State Government here has just about implemented HOON Driving Laws, in my State, first offense is a Caution, Second Cops take your car for 10 days, 3rd They CRUSH your car..Do I agree...not really,but, people are fed up with noisy dangerous driving in local suburban streets. |
Ok guys, the messiah doing a burn out is like him walking on water.
Looks like korea is a go Indian Karun Chandhok is set to be the first Formula One driver to get a taste of the brand-new Yeongam track in Korea next month. Chandhok will take part in a demonstration event on September 4 for the Red Bull team, as the Asian country gears up to host the inaugural Korean Grand Prix from October 22-24. The 26 year-old, who competed for HRT in the opening 10 Grands Prix of the season before being rested in favour of Sakon Yamamoto, is a former Red Bull Junior Team member and has been drafted in as all the drivers on Red Bull’s books were busy. "I was happy to fill in," said Chandhok. "It'll be a real honour to be one of the first people to drive around the new Korean circuit. The layout looks quite good fun on paper and I look forward to driving a winning team’s car there next weekend.” In addition to Chandhok’s run in Red Bull’s show car, the Korean event is expected to feature demonstration laps by a host of other machinery from various junior series |
Originally Posted by ASH8
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So now you are adding another 'event' in your discussion...who said "chirping the tyres" was an offense..he did a Burn out...totally different.
And While I am not defending Victorian Cops or their System, what do you expect them to do, he is NOT an Australian Resident is he, the fine payment terms/length had expired, So if you do not PAY you are summons to Court like all Australians...and probably Americans. Every State Government here has just about implemented HOON Driving Laws, in my State, first offense is a Caution, Second Cops take your car for 10 days, 3rd They CRUSH your car..Do I agree...not really,but, people are fed up with noisy dangerous driving in local suburban streets. |
Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 3689485)
So now you are adding another 'event' in your discussion...who said "chirping the tyres" was an offense..he did a Burn out...totally different.
And While I am not defending Victorian Cops or their System, what do you expect them to do, he is NOT an Australian Resident is he, the fine payment terms/length had expired, So if you do not PAY you are summons to Court like all Australians...and probably Americans. Every State Government here has just about implemented HOON Driving Laws, in my State, first offense is a Caution, Second Cops take your car for 10 days, 3rd They CRUSH your car..Do I agree...not really,but, people are fed up with noisy dangerous driving in local suburban streets. And thats why I said earlier that a fine is one thing, and court is overkill. |
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Pratice 1 Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps 1 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 2:00.797 17 2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 2:01.567 0.770 7 3 11 Robert Kubica Renault 2:02.081 1.284 14 4 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 2:02.450 1.653 11 5 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 2:02.646 1.849 14 6 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 2:02.913 2.116 6 7 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 2:02.926 2.129 11 8 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:03.401 2.604 17 9 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 2:03.424 2.627 7 10 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 2:03.489 2.692 9 11 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 2:03.601 2.804 17 12 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 2:03.649 2.852 17 13 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 2:03.654 2.857 6 14 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:03.851 3.054 17 15 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 2:04.145 3.348 12 16 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 2:04.250 3.453 16 17 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 2:04.690 3.893 15 18 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 2:05.680 4.883 6 19 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 2:05.697 4.900 18 20 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 2:06.695 5.898 14 21 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 2:07.189 6.392 15 22 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 2:07.737 6.940 13 23 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 2:07.955 7.158 15 24 20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 2:10.507 9.710 18 Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps 1 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:49.032 25 2 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:49.157 0.125 17 3 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.248 0.216 14 4 11 Robert Kubica Renault 1:49.282 0.250 20 5 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:49.588 0.556 23 6 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:49.689 0.657 19 7 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.755 0.723 20 8 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:50.081 1.049 27 9 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:50.128 1.096 22 10 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:50.200 1.168 24 11 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:50.251 1.219 24 12 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:50.341 1.309 23 13 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:50.382 1.350 21 14 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:50.682 1.650 25 15 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:50.831 1.799 20 16 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:51.520 2.488 17 17 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:51.523 2.491 25 18 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:51.636 2.604 19 19 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:53.480 4.448 15 20 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:53.639 4.607 21 21 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:54.325 5.293 17 22 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:55.751 6.719 24 23 20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:56.039 7.007 21 24 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 2:03.179 14.147 3 Practice Two - Alonso keeps his grip on Spa After all the rain in Belgium on Friday morning and through lunch, it was dry for the second practice session during the afternoon, which was halted for a few minutes with a quarter of an hour to run because spectators were suspected to be in a dangerous area. Adrian Sutil set the pace throughout for Force India, only to be upstaged right at the end when Fernando Alonso bettered him by 0.125s in the Ferrari. The Spaniard lapped in 1m 49.032s, compared to the German’s 1m 49.157s. Lewis Hamilton kept Sutil honest all afternoon, and was delighted with third fastest time of 1m 49.248s for McLaren. Team mate Jenson Button was seventh on 1m 49.755s. In between them came Robert Kubica in the F-ducted Renault on 1m 49.282s, then Felipe Massa in the second Ferrari on 1m 49.588s and Sebastian Vettel in the leading Red Bull on 1m 49.689s. Pedro de la Rosa was BMW Sauber’s leader this time, with 1m 50.081s which left him eighth ahead of Rubens Barrichello’s Williams on 1m 50.128s, Kamui Kobayashi’s BMW Sauber on 1m 50.200s, Vitaly Petrov on 1m 50.251s for Renault, and Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg on 1m 50.341s and 1m 50.382s respectively for Mercedes. Jaime Alguersuari was again the faster Toro Rosso driver in 14th place on 1m 50.682s, ahead of Nico Hulkenberg’s Williams on 1m 50.831s. Vitantonio Liuzzi went off briefly before the track dried out, but recovered to 16th place on 1m 51.520s, with Toro Rosso’s Sebastien Buemi right behind his Force India on 1m 51.523s. Red Bull’s Mark Webber did only 15 laps, for a 1m 51.636s best which left him 18th. Lotus reasserted themselves in the newbie stakes, with Heikki Kovalainen just ahead of team mate Jarno Trulli, 1m 53.480s to 1m 53.639s. Lucas di Grassi took his Virgin round in 1m 54.325s for 21st, followed by Bruno Senna and Sakon Yamamoto’s HRTs on 1m 55.751s and 1m 56.039s respectively. Timo Glock was at the back on 2m 03.179s, having put his Virgin into the tyre wall after appearing to lose the back end on a wet kerb. |
I wonder if Alonso will ask for a team order while being in 10th spot :)
1 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:57.352 1:47.253 1:45.778 21 2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:56.706 1:46.211 1:45.863 18 3 11 Robert Kubica Renault 1:56.041 1:47.320 1:46.100 19 4 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:58.487 1:47.245 1:46.127 23 5 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:57.981 1:46.790 1:46.206 18 6 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:58.323 1:47.322 1:46.314 20 7 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:55.757 1:47.797 1:46.602 19 8 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:58.730 1:47.292 1:46.659 18 9 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:55.442 1:47.821 1:47.053 20 10 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:57.023 1:47.544 1:47.441 21 11 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:56.313 1:47.874 16 12 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:54.826 1:47.885 16 13 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:58.944 1:48.267 17 14 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 2:01.102 1:48.680 14 15 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 2:00.386 1:49.209 16 16 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 2:01.343 1:50.980 12 17 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 2:01.316 1:52.049 16 18 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 2:01.491 9 19 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:02.284 6 20 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 2:03.612 7 21 20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 2:03.941 8 22 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:05.294 6 23 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 2:18.754 5 24 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault No time 1 |
I hate you alfred.
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