Numbers Add Up For RX-7 Revival!
12-06-2007, 09:33 PM
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They even stated they made the drawing, so they made up a story to back it up.
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12-06-2007, 09:53 PM
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Only convertibles were all 2 seaters.
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12-06-2007, 11:01 PM
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12-07-2007, 08:58 AM
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RENDERED SPECULATION: New RX-7?
I saw this on a blog i keep up with, and thought you guys might enjoy it. Keep in mind it's just speculation, so nothing definite. Enjoy!
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/06/r...-rx-7-revival/
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/06/r...-rx-7-revival/
12-07-2007, 10:42 AM
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moved all new "new rx-7" threads to the general auto and also merged.
the 16 x will not be in a car next year. they have only built a few units to date. should i take the time to sign up to autocar.uk to tell them?
the 16 x will not be in a car next year. they have only built a few units to date. should i take the time to sign up to autocar.uk to tell them?
12-07-2007, 11:27 AM
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Or more directly, what engine specifically WILL be in the next rotary car from the trochoid black hole, otherwise know as Mazda developemt?
PS. feel free to pm me so you don't have to shoot me after I gain this info
plus I promise I won't tell!!
oh yes and no, they don't really want to know.
12-07-2007, 11:52 AM
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i should be more specific. the 16x will not be in the rx-8 next year. it will be in the handful of hydrogen/gasoline/hybrid electric mazda5s they put into use. but it will not be in a full fledged production vehicle until 2010 at least (actual year not model year)
they arent ready to proceed with full production of the 16x yet as it isnt in its final form yet. for one , as we have already been told, they have not yet decided the optimal production position of the direct injection.
they arent ready to proceed with full production of the 16x yet as it isnt in its final form yet. for one , as we have already been told, they have not yet decided the optimal production position of the direct injection.
12-07-2007, 04:48 PM
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Charlie,
I have not been following this at all but am concerned on the future of ANY Rotary Production if this becomes US Law...
CAFE...
The US Senate on Friday slammed the brakes on a wide-ranging energy bill that would hike vehicle fuel economy standards 40 percent to 35 mpg during the 2011 to 2020 model years.
The fuel economy provision, potentially the biggest change in the corporate average fuel economy program in 30 years, is not in dispute.
But for other reasons the Senate failed this morning to muster enough “yes” votes to move forward with the broader bill, which was approved 235-181 by the House of Representatives on Thursday.
The Senate vote was 53-42, seven “yes” votes short of the 60 needed under Senate rules to move forward.
Senate Republicans, like President Bush, objected mainly to tax provisions and a requirement that utilities use more renewable fuels.
Senate leaders were expected to work behind the scenes over the weekend to revise the package and try to move it again next week. Any changes also would have to go back to the House.
In the House on Thursday, Democratic leaders hailed the bill as a big first step toward independence from foreign sources of oil.
Automakers, in a historic about-face, support the higher CAFE standards.
Despite industry support for the bill, Rep. Joe Barton of Texas warned that higher CAFE standards, even if technologically feasible, will add several thousand dollars to the price of every vehicle. He is the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
I have not been following this at all but am concerned on the future of ANY Rotary Production if this becomes US Law...
CAFE...
The US Senate on Friday slammed the brakes on a wide-ranging energy bill that would hike vehicle fuel economy standards 40 percent to 35 mpg during the 2011 to 2020 model years.
The fuel economy provision, potentially the biggest change in the corporate average fuel economy program in 30 years, is not in dispute.
But for other reasons the Senate failed this morning to muster enough “yes” votes to move forward with the broader bill, which was approved 235-181 by the House of Representatives on Thursday.
The Senate vote was 53-42, seven “yes” votes short of the 60 needed under Senate rules to move forward.
Senate Republicans, like President Bush, objected mainly to tax provisions and a requirement that utilities use more renewable fuels.
Senate leaders were expected to work behind the scenes over the weekend to revise the package and try to move it again next week. Any changes also would have to go back to the House.
In the House on Thursday, Democratic leaders hailed the bill as a big first step toward independence from foreign sources of oil.
Automakers, in a historic about-face, support the higher CAFE standards.
Despite industry support for the bill, Rep. Joe Barton of Texas warned that higher CAFE standards, even if technologically feasible, will add several thousand dollars to the price of every vehicle. He is the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
12-07-2007, 04:51 PM
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So I gather if an auto maker can not achieve these fuel economy figures then they are penalized with higher sales taxes/duties...YES?
This does not look good for Mazda's Rotary
This does not look good for Mazda's Rotary
12-07-2007, 05:45 PM
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Don't worry, Mazda may likey introduce the US to...
"an impressive little performer that is expected to return 44 mpg with a 1.3-liter engine" .. that is, the new Mazda 2, and the sales volume could swamp any rotary sales by orders of magnitude. Then there's the Mazda 3, which is already doing that. I can't see as to why they should have a problem balancing the mix to allow a few oddball rotary sales to car nuts.
"an impressive little performer that is expected to return 44 mpg with a 1.3-liter engine" .. that is, the new Mazda 2, and the sales volume could swamp any rotary sales by orders of magnitude. Then there's the Mazda 3, which is already doing that. I can't see as to why they should have a problem balancing the mix to allow a few oddball rotary sales to car nuts.
12-07-2007, 07:36 PM
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So, it is the Average of a particular brand/make..the CAFE really had me concerned.
No wonder guys like Lutz are worried at GM, this new legislation/requirement would force GM/Ford/Chrysler to market smaller more fuel efficient motor cars.
BTW, Just in passing the first full ship load of Pontiac G8's have just left my home state (South Australia) here bound for the US.
The rumor here is that the Ute version of the VE Commodore/G8 will be a goer for the US market next year.
12-07-2007, 08:37 PM
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I don't know why Mazda is so tight lipped about eveything. Everyone says leaking info about future rotary cars will hurt sales of the RX-8. I disagree. Sales suck already and probably won't get much worse. The thing is, the rotary is almost strictly a niche car that has not caught on to the general public, so you have a small niche group of buyers. So everyone that wants a rotary powered car pretty much already has an 8. And you have people like myself, who usually buy a new car every 4 years or so. I have an '04 and '04 was probably the biggest year of sales because rotorheads wanted this new rotary vehicle that marked the return of the wankel. Now it is 4 years later and what am I going to do? Am I gonna buy another 8 that is pretty much exactly the same thing I bought 4 years ago...NO! I would have expected improvements by now but there have been none. I think Mazda owes it to the rotorheads to let us know what is planned or going on. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it would matter if they told us. We care about the rotary, but the general public could care less. They'd rather have their american muscle cars.
12-09-2007, 11:34 AM
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Sadly, I think the new RX-7 will not live up to its predecessor. Safety regulations and demand for more equipment will cause it to weigh much more than the FD, and emissions equipment will limit power as well. It's also likely that the ECU will be as inaccessible, if not more so, than the RX-8's. I'm sure it'll be a great car, but if you're expecting a giant killer, you may want to look elsewhere.
That said, it'll surely lower the prices of FDs...
That said, it'll surely lower the prices of FDs...
12-09-2007, 02:09 PM
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I just don't get why people think the FD was so great when they couldn't sell any. If it was truly great they would have sold more than the first year FE did.
As said before... the absolute last thing that Mazda needs to do is to create another lame *** over priced, under sold, sports car that lacks the true spirit of the RX-7.
True spirit of a RX-7? The true spirit that a RX-7 is a light weight, nimble, balanced, practical, and affordable sports car... not some teenagers (or near teens) wet dream of a rotary powered super car.
But this is all academic, as only dreamers trying to sell paper or Internet advertising are the only ones saying that there is going to be another RX-7
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12-09-2007, 02:52 PM
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12-09-2007, 04:41 PM
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Thank god that if they do plan a new RX-7 (which frankly I have not heard of it progressing at all, and only the new 8 and MX-5 is in development) that they won't try to be like the failure that the FD was.
I just don't get why people think the FD was so great when they couldn't sell any. If it was truly great they would have sold more than the first year FE did.
As said before... the absolute last thing that Mazda needs to do is to create another lame *** over priced, under sold, sports car that lacks the true spirit of the RX-7.
True spirit of a RX-7? The true spirit that a RX-7 is a light weight, nimble, balanced, practical, and affordable sports car... not some teenagers (or near teens) wet dream of a rotary powered super car.
But this is all academic, as only dreamers trying to sell paper or Internet advertising are the only ones saying that there is going to be another RX-7
I just don't get why people think the FD was so great when they couldn't sell any. If it was truly great they would have sold more than the first year FE did.
As said before... the absolute last thing that Mazda needs to do is to create another lame *** over priced, under sold, sports car that lacks the true spirit of the RX-7.
True spirit of a RX-7? The true spirit that a RX-7 is a light weight, nimble, balanced, practical, and affordable sports car... not some teenagers (or near teens) wet dream of a rotary powered super car.
But this is all academic, as only dreamers trying to sell paper or Internet advertising are the only ones saying that there is going to be another RX-7
And I don't see how the FD lacks any of the lightness, agility, balance, and practicality that the FB did. So don't give me any of the "lack of spirit" BS. My point was that for all the virtues the FD had, they were virtues that came with significant flaws that will not be allowed in today's market so I look forwarding to owning an FD. Now sod off.