Nissan sports coupe and 4 door BRZ
10-29-2013, 04:25 PM
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Nissan sports coupe and 4 door BRZ
Report: Nissan Bringing Subaru BRZ-Fighting Coupe To Tokyo - Rumor Central
Report: Toyota GT86, Scion FR-S Sedan Headed To Production - Rumor Central
Nissan and Subaru/Toyota are capitalizing on the sports coupe by announcing new coupes and sports sedans to come. The Nissan will be interesting. I hope it isn't too small like the BRZ/FRS. Nissan is saying it will be far more exciting then the BRZ, (quote)
“The Subaru… It was a car designed for a 50-year-old. It’s for a midlife crisis. That’s not what we do,” Palmer told Motor Trend, noting that at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show, “You’ll see the answer to the midlife crisis. Except it won’t be for the midlife crisis.”
What exactly will the BRZ/FRS sedan be? Will it just be a rear wheel drive sedan with sedate looks built on the BRZ platform, or will they go with a 4 door coupe look ala Panamera etc. I hope the latter.
The funny thing is the RX8 had both covered. It has 4 doors and was a small sporty coupe. I wish Mazda still made the 8 and had refreshed it with new engine/trans etc. The RX8 is perfectly packaged I even want to keep the 4 doors
Report: Toyota GT86, Scion FR-S Sedan Headed To Production - Rumor Central
Nissan and Subaru/Toyota are capitalizing on the sports coupe by announcing new coupes and sports sedans to come. The Nissan will be interesting. I hope it isn't too small like the BRZ/FRS. Nissan is saying it will be far more exciting then the BRZ, (quote)
“The Subaru… It was a car designed for a 50-year-old. It’s for a midlife crisis. That’s not what we do,” Palmer told Motor Trend, noting that at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show, “You’ll see the answer to the midlife crisis. Except it won’t be for the midlife crisis.”
What exactly will the BRZ/FRS sedan be? Will it just be a rear wheel drive sedan with sedate looks built on the BRZ platform, or will they go with a 4 door coupe look ala Panamera etc. I hope the latter.
The funny thing is the RX8 had both covered. It has 4 doors and was a small sporty coupe. I wish Mazda still made the 8 and had refreshed it with new engine/trans etc. The RX8 is perfectly packaged I even want to keep the 4 doors
10-29-2013, 07:01 PM
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1. A small RX3 rotary coupe to compete with the BRZ/Nissan upcoming coupe.
2. A new RX7 that has superior performance that trounced the 911 like it used to.
3. A new RX8 that is a slightly bigger 4 door coupe (keeping the suicide doors), sort of a Panamera. This could have a hybrid setup for better mileage.
The engines:
1. A 250 hp sky active rotary for the RX3. A lighter car than the current 8, say 2700 lbs. Cost; under 30 grand.
2. A 340 hp twin turbo sky active rotary for the RX7. This car would compete with Corvettes, 911, etc and would be more expensive, say 40-50 grand.
3. The base RX8 would get the 250 hp rotary tuned to 280-290 hp coupled with a hybrid system for better mileage and better acceleration. The S version gets the turbo engine from the RX7 maybe even keeping the hybrid setup. They could go in 2 different directions with the 8. Either make in affordable for those who want handling but need four seats or go all out a make a Panamera like competitor with crazy RX7 twin turbo performance.
Alpha Romeo could make their version of whichever of these 3 vehicles so as to help facilitate the cost. IMO if you're going to spend money developing a rotary, you need to use it on more than 1 car. I think that's one of the reasons the rotary never caught on. You could only get it on 1 car, a sports car, which most people don't have a use for. Mazda even recognized this when making the 8 a 4 seater with 4 doors. The problem is they tried to make 1 car to suit everyone, at once. They should have more than 1 rotary powered car to suit many buyers. Maybe even a small rotary sport ute.
10-29-2013, 10:12 PM
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That would be wonderful. I wish Mazda had the resources to make: 1. A small RX3 rotary coupe to compete with the BRZ/Nissan upcoming coupe. 2. A new RX7 that has superior performance that trounced the 911 like it used to. 3. A new RX8 that is a slightly bigger 4 door coupe (keeping the suicide doors), sort of a Panamera. This could have a hybrid setup for better mileage. The engines: 1. A 250 hp sky active rotary for the RX3. A lighter car than the current 8, say 2700 lbs. Cost; under 30 grand. 2. A 340 hp twin turbo sky active rotary for the RX7. This car would compete with Corvettes, 911, etc and would be more expensive, say 40-50 grand. 3. The base RX8 would get the 250 hp rotary tuned to 280-290 hp coupled with a hybrid system for better mileage and better acceleration. The S version gets the turbo engine from the RX7 maybe even keeping the hybrid setup. They could go in 2 different directions with the 8. Either make in affordable for those who want handling but need four seats or go all out a make a Panamera like competitor with crazy RX7 twin turbo performance. Alpha Romeo could make their version of whichever of these 3 vehicles so as to help facilitate the cost. IMO if you're going to spend money developing a rotary, you need to use it on more than 1 car. I think that's one of the reasons the rotary never caught on. You could only get it on 1 car, a sports car, which most people don't have a use for. Mazda even recognized this when making the 8 a 4 seater with 4 doors. The problem is they tried to make 1 car to suit everyone, at once. They should have more than 1 rotary powered car to suit many buyers. Maybe even a small rotary sport ute.
10-30-2013, 09:50 AM
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10-30-2013, 09:55 AM
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The turbo rotary was a fair time that cannot be forgotten, and because it will not be forgotten, that fair time may come again.
Now, once more, I must ride in my car to defend what was, and the dream of what could be.
Now, once more, I must ride in my car to defend what was, and the dream of what could be.
10-30-2013, 10:29 AM
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usually its technical innovation though. the Rx8 had the electric power steering in 2003, Mercedes in like 08. Honda had Vtec in 89 or so, Mazda has the 6pi in 83..
10-30-2013, 11:35 AM
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Mazda is usually about 10 years ahead of everyone else. when they bring out the Rx8, everyone was confused, 10 years later, subaru makes the same thing, and its fine.
usually its technical innovation though. the Rx8 had the electric power steering in 2003, Mercedes in like 08. Honda had Vtec in 89 or so, Mazda has the 6pi in 83..
usually its technical innovation though. the Rx8 had the electric power steering in 2003, Mercedes in like 08. Honda had Vtec in 89 or so, Mazda has the 6pi in 83..
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Slidin,
Any objection to a hybrid that doesn't add much weight, isn't loaded down with batteries, doesn't require long plug in charge times, makes a significant improvement in lap times, etc...?
The choice of Toyota (and every bandwagon maker since) to choose batteries as their method of storing energy have given "hybrids" a seriously bad rap. Using a physical object to store the energy makes more sense from nearly every perspective. Want to store more energy? make it slightly heavier and/or spin it faster.
Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid 2.0 First Drive - Autoblog
So ... still hate all hybrids?
If When Mazda introduces hybrids, I have full faith that they aren't going to follow the overweight battery herd, and instead forge a different path, one that is unique, creative, brilliant, and ADDS to the enjoyment of sports cars, not detract.
Any objection to a hybrid that doesn't add much weight, isn't loaded down with batteries, doesn't require long plug in charge times, makes a significant improvement in lap times, etc...?
The choice of Toyota (and every bandwagon maker since) to choose batteries as their method of storing energy have given "hybrids" a seriously bad rap. Using a physical object to store the energy makes more sense from nearly every perspective. Want to store more energy? make it slightly heavier and/or spin it faster.
Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid 2.0 First Drive - Autoblog
With a curb weight of just 2,866 pounds and a total system power of 672 horsepower, the all-wheel-drive Porsche GT3 R Hybrid 2.0 will accelerate to 60 mph in about 2.5 seconds. Its top speed is gearing limited to about 175 mph.
So ... still hate all hybrids?
If When Mazda introduces hybrids, I have full faith that they aren't going to follow the overweight battery herd, and instead forge a different path, one that is unique, creative, brilliant, and ADDS to the enjoyment of sports cars, not detract.
10-30-2013, 03:31 PM
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200 extra hp and torque? WOW, thats almost what the 8 makes. If Mazda could make just 75 more hp in a hybrid setup that would be wonderful. IMO the future of the rotary is in hybrid tech. Make it lightweight.
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Read the article, that extra 200hp goes to the front wheels through a 100hp motor on each axle, the standard flat 6 drives the rear wheels.
You don't need 200hp over 8 seconds though, it would be easy (mathematically) to pull off a lower hp amount over a longer period, or whatever. Far better than using a battery. Store energy faster, discharge it faster, and the storage device doesn't degrade from such usage.
There are some safety considerations of having that much energy stored nearby in the event of an accident, but they are no more difficult to solve or dangerous than having a huge amount of electricity stored that could get short circuited.
The Audi LMP1 cars use a similar hybrid method, and they designed their flywheel to disintegrate into complete powder in moments if it's violently disrupted.
You don't need 200hp over 8 seconds though, it would be easy (mathematically) to pull off a lower hp amount over a longer period, or whatever. Far better than using a battery. Store energy faster, discharge it faster, and the storage device doesn't degrade from such usage.
There are some safety considerations of having that much energy stored nearby in the event of an accident, but they are no more difficult to solve or dangerous than having a huge amount of electricity stored that could get short circuited.
The Audi LMP1 cars use a similar hybrid method, and they designed their flywheel to disintegrate into complete powder in moments if it's violently disrupted.
10-31-2013, 11:57 AM
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LMAO
The way I see it. the rx8 made the BRZ what it is. The other manufacturers are late to the game. my older car still outperforms the twins.
Mazda needs to move on. We came, we saw, we created(or rather sparked the comeback of sporty 4seat vehicles) it would be nice to have 2 rotary powered vehicles around but purpose built rotary vehicle is what I'm after.(i.e. track beast)
The comment about the 7 being a 911 killer....smh at you guy.
http://mkiv.com/publications/motor_t...3/mt893_12.jpg
Copy of motor trend test for you
The way I see it. the rx8 made the BRZ what it is. The other manufacturers are late to the game. my older car still outperforms the twins.
Mazda needs to move on. We came, we saw, we created(or rather sparked the comeback of sporty 4seat vehicles) it would be nice to have 2 rotary powered vehicles around but purpose built rotary vehicle is what I'm after.(i.e. track beast)
The comment about the 7 being a 911 killer....smh at you guy.
http://mkiv.com/publications/motor_t...3/mt893_12.jpg
Copy of motor trend test for you