CyberPitz

I'm still amazed at this car. It's VERY good. I really hope Mazda does something like this in a more affordable manner.

TALAN7

This just goes to show you WHAT can be doe with the rotary. The only problem is Mazda should've been the one who did it, even if it was just a concept. Mazda has been developing the rotary for years now and they haven't thought of this? Shame on them. This IS their RX9 supercar, if only they had the leadership to make it. Mazda would look really stupid if another manufacturer came out with a rotary electric hybrid before them.

j_tso

Uh, Mazda has already brought out a RE-electric hybrid.

robrecht

Only problem is with the hydrogen fuel in the premacy rotary series hybrid. Can't remember if it was dual fuel like the hydrogen-gasoline RX-8. Well, of course, the Premacy wasn't a sports car.

j_tso

They put in the Mazda5/Premacy, and, it's a dual fuel series hybrid.


I like the look of that Frazer-Nash, but I'd only drive it if I was Racer X.

robrecht

Why do you doubt it's a series hybrid? With a .8L rotary couldn't be a parallel hybrid.

rotarygod

For those that didn't see the engine picture:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/genev...namir/1400772/

robrecht

Actually, your link is to a parallel hybrid drive-train:

Start up
Battery power

Steady running
Driven by hydrogen rotary engine and generator

Acceleration
Driven by hydrogen rotary engine
and generator + battery

There was rumor back in August of last year that Mazda was also developing a series hybrid:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...id-gm-volt.php

zoom44

that endothermic bit gave us a nice clue for research

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...ralato_Ruggero

i think it might be this, its an atkinson cycle rotary we talked about this type before

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004020791

ASH8

I wonder who they paid their license fee to to make their 814cc rotary?

zoom44

if its not a mazda-style wankel then they wouldnt need to pay a fee

robrecht

Yeah, that was the clue I used yesterday to get stuck in an infinite loop with that other weird thread from yesterday.

http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com/page...+Engine?t=anon

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/future-rotary-isnt-wankel-168074/

ASH8

I have just come back from talking to my Mazda Parts Manager mate ...

You can't get away from this guy...A quick 10 minute visit, turns into a few Hours!!!...

Anyway, got talking on the RENESIS and Fords Involvement initially.
The Mazda Australia's state service rep told him that Mazda originally wanted a total of SIX oil injection nozzles (as used in the 09's) as engineers were concerned about sealing and longevity based on their 40 years of knowledge.

It has been well documented the "Hurdles" Mazda went through to bring the Evolv into production as the RX-8.

ALL the engineers said the oiling system would give problems in a very short period of time, the Bean Counters (Ford) basically said if you don't sign off on this car now..it won't happen.

So, we all know the outcome.
It appears the Mazda's Rotary Engineers warnings came true.

Michael also said Mazda are losing millions with the world wide rebuilds/replacements.
Remembering that apart from the US/Canada all other distributors are replacing RX-8's with all brand new Japan made RENESIS's out of a crate.

Here once the warranty claims are paid most dealers are Binning/Trashing/Destroying the old engines!..

Trying to save a penny has cost at lot more in the end.

Rhawb

LOL - the comment over there "That car has a receding hairline" got me laughing. Seriously though, I'd love to drive one of those.

Earl the Pearl

It is kind of nice to know someone else is working with the rotary should Mazda have to put it on hold.

zoom44

oh weird

8 Maniac

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Wrong thread?

Very interesting... definitely want to see more ideas like these showing up and being put to good use (unlike all the other hybrids that have or will die off).

shazy

Maybe it could be 1 rotor from the X16

But then they would have to pay a big fee, so I doubt they took Mazda's concept.

ASH8

It's a Twin Rotor..of 407cc each, so it is a little smaller than Mazda's 10A rotary used in the
R100 and RX-3 which was 982cc

kersh4w

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i want it.

flat out.

i want it.

nvrfalter

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that thing is sick. SICKKKK.

now their logo on the other hand....

robrecht

So does anyone know if this Namir will be at the New York Auto Show? I emailed this and a few other questions to Frazer-Nash last week. No answer. They have a very tight lid on this thing. I haven't seen any new information on this anywhere.

I did see that Frazer-Nash uses this "Wankel" serial hybrid concept in their monorail design called the Metrail:

http://www.frazer-nash.com/06-mmd.html

http://www.metrail.com/10-traction.html

Not sure how many have been actually built. The test track in Malaysia uses a Diesel engine. Diesel rotary?

BTW, the engine and turbo in the Namir looks a little like the Diesel Wankel test engines NASA worked on with Curtiss-Wright and John Deere before the rotary division was sold into the apparent oblivion of RPI:
http://rotarynews.com/node/view/461

robrecht

It seems the rotary engine used in the Namir is the 814 cc aircraft engine developed by Wankel AG in Kirchberg (which acquired the rights in 2002 after Felix Wankel's Wankel GmbH went kaput in 2001):

http://www.wankel-ag.de/seite1_e.html

Frazer-Nash has been working with Wankel AG since 2004. Previously, this engine seems to have been a direct-injection turbodiesel.

"Hersteller und Lieferant dieses originalen WANKEL-Motors ist die WANKEL AG aus Kirchberg in Sachsen. Der Motor ist ursprünglich ein direkteingespritzter WANKEL-Turbodiesel-Flugmotor mit Fremdzündung, 2 x 407 ccm Kammervolumen (814) und hier modifiziert für den Betrieb mit Benzin. Die Frazer-Nash Research Ltd. und die WANKEL AG arbeiten seit 2004 an hybriden Antriebssystemen. Im Jahr 2002 entstanden aus der gesamten Konkursmasse der WANKEL ROTARY GmbH, ist auch die WANKEL AG die gegenwärtig weltweit einzige direkte Fortsetzung der von Prof. Felix Wankel in den 1930er Jahren begonnenen Arbeiten."
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...n-1003669.html

This comment was posted by the head of Wankel AG, Mario Häberer.

I'm guessing "endothermic" in this context merely means turbocharged, ie, the 'absorption' and use of exhaust heat.

lepichichi

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wow that is awsome, mazda where you at???

zoom44

thansk robreacht