playdoh42

http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...=204179#204179

ROTORED

awsome find? i was just wondering about that but it still looks like the 350z and g35 with alot more power

playdoh42

It looks like the 350z and g35 because its based on the g35. The G35 is the current gen skyline in japan. G35 coupe = skyline (v35) 350GT in japan. Skyline has always been a sedan/coupe with many different trims. GT-R is the performance version with a more agressive body style. They swapped the vq35 into the R34 skyline GT-R race car a few years back and found it works better as a 3.2L. The skyline GT-R is banned from motor racing in many countries in Asia because it uterly dominated the field. :p

Hopes are high for this new iteration of the GT-R. The previous R34 GT-R could handle massive amount of boost to get over 1000whp with stock internals, making it one of the cheapest/best way to get massive amount of power (along with the supra tt). People are expecting to do some insane stuff with this new GT-R.

Price is expected to be anywhere from 50k-90k under the Infinity brand. They are going after the big boys from AMG and M divison for the best luxury performance coupe. Personally, I'd rather take a C6 Vette Z06 for thousands less. :D

Rxdriftingaction

look just like g35. o well g35 is called skyline in jp. nvm... nice find dude..

futureownr4sure

I don't like it. It losses a lot of the interesting shapes of the skylines, it doesn't have a RB2_(insert number here)DET(or TT) and it looks too much like a 350z with too much water retention. Nothing special there imo. That won't be the next skyline, I'm pretty sure about it.

mysql101

It looks like the bastard child of a 350Z and a TT.

Kain

with a little Crossfire added in

shelleys_man_06

Good thing it's just a concept. Nissan needs to deviate away from the 350Z body styling.

playdoh43

Its based on the G35/Skyline after all, if you expect the final version to not look like a G35/350Z you are bound to be disapointed. For the last time, It is, and always has been a luxury performance coupe/sedan, dont expect it to look like a sports car.

shelleys_man_06

Remember the ER34 Skyline Sedan? That car was freakin' sweet.





The new V35 sedans aren't that much to look at. To each his own.

playdoh43

yeah, to each his own is right. I prefer the R34 look over the V35 look too, but I think the V35 also looks good. Theres a post on the 350z forum that says, it will use RBDETT 3.2 , it makes little difference whether they use a VQ or RB, as long as its twin turboed and have bullet proof internals and tranny like previous GT-Rs If it starts at 490+hp stock, the tuning potential would be crazy.

RX-Hachi

I could be wrong, but I really doubt the car will look like that. I believe it's a photoshop of a G35. The GT-R has a certain look established with the R32. The R33 deviated a little and didn't seem as popular, so Nissan made the last gen R34 more like the R32 in its look. While the G35 is of course the Skyline in Japan, that picture deviates way too much from what a GT-R should look like. There's no red GT-R logo in the grill and no rear wing for starters, and the shape lacks any connection to previous GT-Rs.

BTW, noticed that there's a next gen Miata on the cover photo as well.

canaryrx8

iTrader: (3)

so are they finally going to bring that bad boy over here? right now the only way ot own a skyline in the u.s. is tom import it, would be cool for us to finally have a us version, but man does that car have some large shoes to fill, the previous skyline's are so coveted and acclaimed by the racecar/sportscar world they are practically mythical.

playdoh43

actually, they are a dime a dozen in japan and other parts of Asia. hehe, they are everywhere, just not here. They arnt very expensive in Japan either. I believe they cost less than a M3. Nissan made a mistake in not bringing it over, at least in limited quantities, I know so many EVO, Sti owners that would take a skyline GT-R over their car anyday. But i guess it really dosnt matter much to Nissan financially, since performance car market is a niche market in the US. Who knows if its going to sell well when it comes to the US in 2007, a lot of car enthusiats wants it, but few can actually afford it. The competition is stiff too, with Caddy CTS-V, 300C hemi, Benz AMG series, BMW M sies, audi S seires already established here. Then again, none of these cars sells well either, (maybe with exception of 300c), they are more for image building purposes than making money.

And i dont think its a photoshop, thats just the new European influenced styling direction Nissan has taken since the merger. The GT-R has always been based on the Skyline, so I dont see Nissan stopping that tradition. The spyshot is probably not final, but its probably pretty close to the real thing

DreRX8

I may disagree with you on this: "The competition is stiff too, with Caddy CTS-V, 300C hemi, Benz AMG series, BMW M sies, audi S seires already established here. Then again, none of these cars sells well either, (maybe with exception of 300c), they are more for image building purposes than making money."

The M cars and AMG models sell VERY well. Their sales have never been stronger.

Shiri

You sound like you don't know what you're talking about, but here are some questions to make sure if you do :


actually, they are a dime a dozen in japan and other parts of Asia. hehe, they are everywhere, just not here.

What is a dime a dozen in Japan? Please specify which model or are you talking about GTRs?

Which Asian countries have a dime a dozen Skylines/GTRs? I'd like to know this.


I believe they cost less than a M3

They cost around 5-6 million yen for the base GTR and up to 8 million yen for the top model GTR (Honda NSX is around 8-10 million). Considering that these are locally made cars, they are sold cheaper than M3s, but internationally, the GTRs probably cost the same if not more and they hold they values a lot better than M3s.

I know so many EVO, Sti owners that would take a skyline GT-R over their car anyday

Again, please provide evidence to support your claim. THis is like saying "I know so many former RX8 owners switching to G35c in Japan because they wanted more power and petrol is expensive here".

Who knows if its going to sell well when it comes to the US in 2007, a lot of car enthusiats wants it, but few can actually afford it. The competition is stiff too, with Caddy CTS-V, 300C hemi, Benz AMG series, BMW M sies, audi S seires already established here. Then again, none of these cars sells well either, (maybe with exception of 300c), they are more for image building purposes than making money.

Er.. yeah right ok

JmurphRx8

Did anyone see the new red miata in the first picture, on the second page of that magazine??? kinda looks like an rx8

playdoh42

im speaking in terms of the amount of revenue that these high performance version cars account for to a car company, i.e. compare M3 sales vs regular 3 series sales, AMG C32 sales vs regular C class sales. These performance trims usually consist of a small percentage (5% or lower?) of total sales for that model.

You can argue that for performance cars of that segment, they are selling well relative to other cars of that market segment. It is totally true. But to a car company, the revenue that these high performance versions generate is miniscue compared to the maintream versions.

The fact of the matter is, they are in a niche market, most performance cars account for a very small percentage of profit for a car company. In terms of revenues, very few sports cars/performance cars can be considered "selling well."
performance car enthusiasts like us are few in number, and ones that can actually aford any of those afore mentioned cars are even fewer. Thus companies are bringing out these preformance versions mainly with image building in mind. As long as they generate revenue, companies will keep making them. But 2 discontinue them would not hurt the over-all revenue by much in the short run.
In the long run, having a sporty/performance image boost sales for the company overall. So im not trying to say you're wrong or Im right, or vice versa. We are both right. Its just the matter of viewing it from different perspectives. I am looking at it in terms of relative revenues, perspective of a car company. You are looking through the perspective of consumer interest.
Thats just my 2 cents,

playdoh42

to reply shiri, when i said a dime a dozen, its a figure of speech. Dont take it literally please. I have relatives in Japan (grandma is Japanese, from Osaka) , and Ive been to Japan. The GT-R is a rather common car over there. Thats the point i was trying to make, sorry for any mis-understanding. GT-R is aslo not uncommon in South Korea, and China, I have korean friends that has told me about it. Im also Chinese my self, last time I went back to KuenMing, a city in southern china boardering Laos/Thailand, I saw many R32 and R33s. I dont have any concreete proof for my claim, but Im just telling what I saw. Ive also heard theres a lot of them in Thailand and Indonesia. The main stream American tend to have an inacurate perception of countries in Asia. Even though there are a lot of poor countries, theres also tons of rich people that can afford a GT-R or M3. performance cars also tend to be much more popular in Asia than here in the States.

Ohh and Im a member of the DC Evo Club, im a huge fan of the EVO, and many people in the club have expressed that they would take a GT-R over the EVO. I dont know too many STI owners, but I do know one that said the same thing. In fact many of the club members are planing on getting the GT-R as their next car when it comes to the states in 07. Im just saying a lot of people I know had said this, it dosnt mean all EVO, STI owners think this way too. Again, im just telling it like it is, and I dont have concreet proof, so if you dont want to believe me, then you dont have to.

your last question is answered in the above post.

mikeb

when the skyline comes
I will have it

s13lover

I could never understand what the huge fascination with the Skyline was all about. Like its suppose to be some sort of mystic Japaness supercar that dominates all other Japaness sportcars. Personally I do like the car, but I don't really see how its any better than the 300ZX. Sure the GT-R had awd, but it wasn't faster, and it didn't hand any better as far as I know. I think people in America put the car up on a pedestal compared to other jap sports car just because they can't have one (for the most part).

But hey, if someone were to hand me the keys to one I wouldn't complain; it would be a nice step up from my 240SX. :p

playdoh42

ive mentioned it before, the main reason is because of its tuning potential.
The stock internal of the 2.6l I6 can handle enough boost for 1000+whp. So its cheap to get massive amount of power.
The factory hp rating was also way underated.
Its a RWD/AWD car that uses the ATTESSA ETS - Advanced Total Traction Engineering System for All - Electronic Torque Split
When the computer senses a loss of traction it automatically sends up to 50 % of the torque to the front wheels. Under normal conditions the car remains rear wheel drive.
I personally love it, ever since I saw a R32 for the first time when I went to Tokyo back in 7th grade, they just stands out due to the agressive styling. And you're right Its probably a little over-rated in the States due to the reason you listed. Its far from a perfect car :p. Best motoring Video had a clip of a rx7 kicking its *** at Tsukuba
btw, im from md too, college park, University of MD, go terps.

playdoh42

btw, just to clear it up, the new 07 GT-R is still based on the G35/Skyline FM platform, but its no longer called skyline GT-R, its now simply GT-R.

Shiri

The GT-R is a rather common car over there. Thats the point i was trying to make, sorry for any mis-understanding. GT-R is aslo not uncommon in South Korea, and China, I have korean friends that has told me about it.


I'm might believe you if you claim to have seen GTRs in Sth. Korea, but in China it is almost impossible. The only Japanese sports car found in most part of China is the Mitsubishi 3000 GTO or VR4 as they are called in the US. If you see a GTR in China, it has to be imported illegally, and that car cost more than you can imagine.


Im also Chinese my self, last time I went back to KuenMing, a city in southern china boardering Laos/Thailand, I saw many R32 and R33s. I dont have any concreete proof for my claim, but Im just telling what I saw. Ive also heard theres a lot of them in Thailand and Indonesia.


A lot of Skylines that you've seen may not actually be GTRs, but maybe GTS or GTT with bodykits. GTRs are rare even in Japan, highly modified ones will never make it in SE Asia because thse countries are way too hot for these cars to survive.


The main stream American tend to have an inacurate perception of countries in Asia. Even though there are a lot of poor countries, theres also tons of rich people that can afford a GT-R or M3. performance cars also tend to be much more popular in Asia than here in the States.


Probably, Ferraris and Lambos can be found in populated cities as well as the wealth of Audis, BMWs and Mercs. The rich can afford anything they want, but you forget that there aren't a lot of car workshops to work on GTRs and other similarly high powered cars.



Ohh and Im a member of the DC Evo Club, im a huge fan of the EVO, and many people in the club have expressed that they would take a GT-R over the EVO. I dont know too many STI owners, but I do know one that said the same thing. In fact many of the club members are planing on getting the GT-R as their next car when it comes to the states in 07. Im just saying a lot of people I know had said this, it dosnt mean all EVO, STI owners think this way too. Again, im just telling it like it is, and I dont have concreet proof, so if you dont want to believe me, then you dont have to.


Actually I misread that part and I apologise for that. The GTR is a big car and don't really make good daily drivers on the narrow roads in Japan. EVOs and STis make better daily drivers due to their size and economy. Though if you want the king of AWD and all out power and presence, its hard to beat a GTR.

playdoh43

just great, some none chinese person (or maybe shiri is one ) is here telling me what cars can/cannot be found in my own country im from. lol. Its all gravey, cause ure a cool guy, and what you say makes a lot of sense.
I just want to point out that, China is a Huge country and the economy is growing so fast, theres a lot of suddenly rich young people with tons of money to spend, and every city is different. The import/piracy laws in china are extremely lax relative to the states and europe. It dosnt cost much extra to bring a skyline in or anything else for that matter. Its also very easy to get illegally imported cars registered and its a common practice. This is especially true for richer cities near the boarder and far away from the central government.
doh, time for my stat 400 class, catch up to ya later shiri.
this is getting totally off topic, lets leave as it is