^yup, that fat cow GT500 coming in at 4K is the reason why the GT500 does not perform better than it does. Honestly, I expect more power from a car with 500HP but again...it's a 4K car. A SS coming in at let's say 3500 pounds only needs 450HP to beat the GT500.

"In theory..."

 

I would like for the camaro to stay long term. That means they need it to be affordable, I'm talking about a 300+HP car that will be able to compete with the Mustang in terms of pricing.

 

The Camaro is an evolved design, still a Camaro but modern. The Challenger is a just a copy, my 10 year old could have penned it. Camaro wins hands down.

Still, I betcha both will come close to 3800 pounds, so count me out.

 

That's what I was thinking. Can you hit 600 hp running hydrogen??


[/runs away laughing maniacally]

 

Exactly what I was going to say -
The Challenger is a remake. The Camaro is an evolution.

Both are hot, I think it's really cool that muscle cars are truly coming back. Of the two, I prefer the Camaro.

 

According to MT, GM said the Camaro would be in the 3,500 range just like the Mustang GT. I guess they heard the complaints from possible future owners of how FAT the Mustang got and the GTO.

I agree, I "like" the Dodge...but I REALLY LIKE the Camaro concept. I hope they don't mess it up like Ford did with the Mustang concept to production. Don't get me wrong, with the right kit the Mustang can look TOUGH but it still was a disappointment compared to the concept.

 

Both will no doubt look different than the concepts. How much.... that's the question.

 

Spyshots will be out soon

 

^Nice find, THANKS and sweeeeeetttttt

I also am interested in this:

YES, a RWD Performance Sports Sedan!

 

damn. That pic settles it. I'll take one. t'hell w/the Challenger.

 

LOL, I know...it looks GREAT!!!!

 

The styling is almost completely lost in the pics w/the hood & doors open. Damn. That sucker looks mean.

 

I think there is no doubt that the Camaro will have the 400hp LS2 engine. The doubt is whether GM can cheapen everything else about the car to make it available for under $30K.

Doesn't bother me though.....by the time the Challenger and Camaro hit the dealer lots my stang will have a twin turbo set-up pushing 500hp to the wheels at 6-8psi.

 

Yes my friend, but what if a Camaro owner does the same? They'd be near 600HP.

But, now that you are here buddy....so, this design study/concept (the Italian Mustang) is that the next Mustang or is that just a tease?

 

I can't stand either one; they both suck. The Challenger looks like a melted, softened version of what some suit thinks a "muscle" car should be; the Camaro doesn't look like a Camaro at all. It looks like Americans trying to design a Japanese muscle car. And what's with the wheels? Did both of them decide to rip off RX8 wheels?

Bah...

 

Naaa, I disagree...but looks are mostly subjective.

 

I've seen other posts about ripping off the "Rx8 wheels" - which I just don't get. It's the most popular wheel design across the board. It's a 5 point. Since when did Mazda have some proprietary design for a 5 point rim? c'mon.

 

Thank you. Somebody finally said it.

I'm surprised someone hasn't said the Camaro looks like an RX8 yet.

 

welcome. I've seen it too many times. Either way, the 1st thing to be replaced on any nice car should be the shoes. Imo, it's the most dramatic change for the buck - and adds quite a bit of your "individual print" on it.

 

I agree. And we all know that the wheels always change on production vehicles anyway.

 

Yeah...I wish I could buy rims, it makes a BIG difference.

 

You're right, I can't tell at all where they got their styling cues for the new Camaro. [/sarcasm]

 

And that nice big pic now right in the thread - sweet. Let me say it again (not that you could stop me anyway) that looks mean!

It'll need a lot of power to accel by traffic, tho, b/c you won't be able to see ***** if that is the mass production Rear view side mirrors. Def. an acceptable casuality. lol.

 

^I'll 2nd it for the millionth time, DAT IZ HOT!

 

Well, most Camaro owners won't be willing to trash their warranty in the first year of ownership.....but I'm sure some will. Once I build a forged short block I'll be able to turn up the boost to whatever crazy amount of power I want. The TT kit I'm looking at is capable of more than 1000hp at the wheels with the boost turned up and the optional 67mm turbos. But at first I'm staying with the stock block and using the base 57mm turbos......which at 18psi can produce 758rwhp. That kinda power is not sustainable with the stock short block......so I'll keep the boost down around 6psi. At 6psi the car can safely run 502rwhp without problems.

As far as the next Mustang goes.....the Italian version being shown all over the net and the LA auto show is just a concept by an Italian designer. That project had nothing to do with Ford's next gen S197. It was a tribute car to the original Mustang that same Italian designer did back in the 60's.

You still thinking about getting a Camaro?