MIffed at MazdaSpeed6
11-19-2005, 04:15 PM
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MIffed at MazdaSpeed6
Is anyone else irritated that the '06 has 274 turbocharged HP while we, the faithful, CRY for some sort of FI for our 8 from Mazda? I love my car, forever and a day. Please...no..."If you want a MazdaSpeed6 then go get one and shut up" crap. Just saying....aren't WE supposed to be Mazda's "Sports" car? Now a "Family" car made by our very own Mazda can even out class us. Just makes me sad....
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver?
The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us!
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver?
The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us!
11-19-2005, 04:22 PM
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It's not all about hp numbers, Kyle. The thing is pretty heavy. We are still King of the Mazda castle, if that's what you're worried about. It's a sedan, not a sports car.
11-19-2005, 05:01 PM
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I was originally going to get a MS6. But, it really just looks like a sedan. It's much better looking than the WRX, Evo and Legacy - but it is still a sedan. When I look at my RX-8, I get butterflies in my stomach and my heart races. That's worth more to me than HP numbers or AWD.
11-19-2005, 08:49 PM
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I think it boils down to that Scrapula... I wish I could have an '03 body style Mazda 6, with AWD turbo.... And I want an RX-8... Choices choices......
I guess we will see what the wife says...
I guess we will see what the wife says...
11-19-2005, 09:27 PM
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It's not so much about a HP number as it is about the fact that the Flagship for Mazda Pride and Perfromance, the RX-8, seems to get back burner when it comes to improvements in the performance arena. While I do not believe that everyone that has an 8, or wants one, is looking for boosted performance, I believe most of us would like a Choice. We have no choice, while other models do. Options Mazda...Options. Would i have paid another 5k for 60 more ponies when I bought the car? That is questionable, but I know I would now. Especially if it came from Mazda and I could have it serviced at my favorite Dealer.
11-19-2005, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasKyle
Is anyone else irritated that the '06 has 274 turbocharged HP while we, the faithful, CRY for some sort of FI for our 8 from Mazda? I love my car, forever and a day. Please...no..."If you want a MazdaSpeed6 then go get one and shut up" crap. Just saying....aren't WE supposed to be Mazda's "Sports" car? Now a "Family" car made by our very own Mazda can even out class us. Just makes me sad....
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver?
The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us!
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver?
The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us!
If it makes you feel better, Mitsubishi's 4 door "family car" (Lancer EVO) will easily outperform thier "sports car" (Eclipse).
11-19-2005, 11:02 PM
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The car is fine, it has more than enough power. The problem is that most people don't know how to use the power it already has.
Take some driving classes, a faster driver is always better than a faster car.
Take some driving classes, a faster driver is always better than a faster car.
11-19-2005, 11:39 PM
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Yeah the speed 6 is heavy, but it's still fast (~5.3 0-60). It's not going to handle as well- even with the tighter suspension the sp6 still looks like it has a bit of body roll on the track, and I doubt the steering is nearly as tight. But I agree with you 110% Kyle, I would love to see some more mazda-backed options for the RX-8.
11-19-2005, 11:49 PM
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^Ditto. Even a Limited Edition turboed car (like the Mazdaspeed Miata) would be great. 
And yeah, the car is pretty heavy. Might be faster in a straight line (plenty of other cars are), but other than that I'm sure we absolutely have it beat. I really think Mazda's just trying to step up to the plate that other companies, like Nissan, pretty much have a chokehold on; affordable performance sedans. Having more performance cars (of any sort) in their corner is only going to help the company's image in the long run!
And yeah, the car is pretty heavy. Might be faster in a straight line (plenty of other cars are), but other than that I'm sure we absolutely have it beat. I really think Mazda's just trying to step up to the plate that other companies, like Nissan, pretty much have a chokehold on; affordable performance sedans. Having more performance cars (of any sort) in their corner is only going to help the company's image in the long run!
11-20-2005, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by nt5k
The car is fine, it has more than enough power. The problem is that most people don't know how to use the power it already has.
Take some driving classes, a faster driver is always better than a faster car.
Take some driving classes, a faster driver is always better than a faster car.
11-20-2005, 11:04 AM
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Settle down, no one was dissing your driving skills. Just commenting that most people would benefit more from a quality high-speed driving class and track time than just an increase in power.
11-20-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by nt5k
Settle down, no one was dissing your driving skills. Just commenting that most people would benefit more from a quality high-speed driving class and track time than just an increase in power.
While true. This has zero effect on 90% of daily driving, which for most people is stop-and-go or highway, and is where the more power comes into play (eg passing, merging, etc).
The best driving school in the world, will only make you marginally faster down a track straightaway. Then before you know it, you're stuck behind a more powerful car who can pass you (or stay ahead) on the straights and slows you down in the turns. You can't carry high speed out of a corner, if someone slower thru them is in front of you.
So even if the MSP6 is a little slower through the corners, a stock 8 isn't going to be able to get around it, unless the track is very tight.
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The 8 gave Mazda a bump in the recognition department, but has had relatively mediocre sales. The 3 has become the workhorse as far as profit is concerned, and the 6 doesn't do too shabby either. So which cars do you think get first dibs on a performance model. The one's they know they can sell. I could care less personally, the more money Mazda makes the better future rotary cars can become.
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11-20-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nt5k
Settle down, no one was dissing your driving skills. Just commenting that most people would benefit more from a quality high-speed driving class and track time than just an increase in power.
11-20-2005, 06:19 PM
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11-20-2005, 07:28 PM
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Any truth to this, except for the expired dates?
11-20-2005, 10:25 PM
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If history is an indication, MazdaSpeed versions only come out when a model makeover is about to occur hence the revamp of the Protege to the Mazda3, then the Miata to the MX-5 Miata, and it's obvious the Mazda6 is due for a makeover. The RX8, on the other hand, is still early in it's production.
The MazdaSpeed6 will be a limited run 1 or 2 years tops, but it is hotness alright.
The MazdaSpeed6 will be a limited run 1 or 2 years tops, but it is hotness alright.
11-20-2005, 11:02 PM
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btw have you driven a normal mazda6 kyle? not taking away anything from the 6 for everything that it is, but the feel of the car when you drive it, is just so, 'normal', like a family sedan normal... definitely not the sporty feel i get when i test drove the MX-5 or getting into my 8 every day
i doubt making it 'faster' will make it 'feel' more sportscar-like
i doubt making it 'faster' will make it 'feel' more sportscar-like
11-21-2005, 02:51 AM
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Here's a former RX-8 owner's take on the Mazdaspeed 6:
This post came from http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123616428
I traded in my RX-8 for the Mazdaspeed6 last week. (mainly, because i now have 2 kids, and need a 4 door with a REAL back seat, but also because I wanted AWD).
Here are my 1st impressions.
1st and 2nd gear are awesome, compared to the RX-8 it certainly pulls harder off the line (although having to shift at 6000rpm instead of 9500 does hurt the 0-60). 3rd gear has a large drop in power, and 4-6 are pretty much feeling like an average sedan. Overall the RX-8 is definitely a faster car, but for a sedan, this thing is great.
I got the 2 tone black/white interrior which looks frickin' awesome. I also got a ski rack thrown on there, and it looks pretty mean with the rack up there.
The car looks amazing, it handles very well, and in the rain it blows the RX-8 away (AWD Vs. RWD, so Duh!). It is a very comfortable ride in general. All in all, it feels like an even swap with the RX-8. I traded some high end power (RX-8 pulls hard through 4th gear, and even has some pull in 5th) for being able to bang my head against the seat in the low end, and floor it in the rain. In general I am happy with the trade.
There are a couple negatives.. this car with stock rims and tires, handles snow horribly (uphil is mediocre, but downhill, you simply can't slow the car, you just Sllliiiiiiiide), and there don't seem to be any smaller steel rims you can buy for it so you are stuck paying $1200 bucks for 18" snow tires which arn't going to help you much. The gas mileage is about the same as the RX-8 (so pretty bad). It wouldn't beat an RX-8 on the track, but it would lead for about 2 seconds off the line (until you need to shift to 2nd and the RX-8 can just keep going for another 3 seconds).
Here are my 1st impressions.
1st and 2nd gear are awesome, compared to the RX-8 it certainly pulls harder off the line (although having to shift at 6000rpm instead of 9500 does hurt the 0-60). 3rd gear has a large drop in power, and 4-6 are pretty much feeling like an average sedan. Overall the RX-8 is definitely a faster car, but for a sedan, this thing is great.
I got the 2 tone black/white interrior which looks frickin' awesome. I also got a ski rack thrown on there, and it looks pretty mean with the rack up there.
The car looks amazing, it handles very well, and in the rain it blows the RX-8 away (AWD Vs. RWD, so Duh!). It is a very comfortable ride in general. All in all, it feels like an even swap with the RX-8. I traded some high end power (RX-8 pulls hard through 4th gear, and even has some pull in 5th) for being able to bang my head against the seat in the low end, and floor it in the rain. In general I am happy with the trade.
There are a couple negatives.. this car with stock rims and tires, handles snow horribly (uphil is mediocre, but downhill, you simply can't slow the car, you just Sllliiiiiiiide), and there don't seem to be any smaller steel rims you can buy for it so you are stuck paying $1200 bucks for 18" snow tires which arn't going to help you much. The gas mileage is about the same as the RX-8 (so pretty bad). It wouldn't beat an RX-8 on the track, but it would lead for about 2 seconds off the line (until you need to shift to 2nd and the RX-8 can just keep going for another 3 seconds).