shelleys_man_06

I finally had a chance to interpret the curves zoom44 posted. The torque curve is freakin' nuts, and the power curve can easily be linearized. I predict the MS6 will have killer aftermarket support. It already comes turbocharged, so any additional BPU's will most definitely increase power exponentially. :D

shorty911

i think it would be nice if they had something liek the cts-v as far as engine

shelleys_man_06

A front-biased V8?

310Guy

Well, I really like what Mazda has done to their entire line of cars. I really liked the 6 before and now this... WOW. My hat is off to Mazda.

However, the wheels on the MS6 have got to go. That's the only thing I do not like about this car.

pghRX8

Will this be a production car for years to come, or is it going to be a special edition '06 only and there will be roughly 4k on the road for good?? I love my 8, but for the extra power, more practicallity of a sedan (which i may need in the next few years) and the AWD here in the north east...this MS6 could be hard to pass up. Any body else considering a future trade of an 8 for the MS6?? I saw that they will begin production in early 05, any word on when it should hit lots?? I can't believe that this car has me excited enough to think about moving on my 8...i feel like a cheater...lol

-D

swoope

iTrader: (5)

got this email today, http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=mazdaSpeed6

dont think i saw this link yet.

beers
john stewart
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KC_Prelude

I think its sweet. If mazda can keep the price down this looks like it will be an amazing car.

crossbow

Here I thought you'd guys be actually tearing the car apart...Well since I own a 6, I'll help bash it with you.

Failures of the Mazda 6 MPS

1) A redesigned hood so they could fit a "top mounted intercooler"...yet absolutely zero airflow for the intercooler. Yay. Maybe they were going to put a scoop, decided against it, and didn't have time to put a front mounted intercooler on the car. Or maybe they don't care.

2) A FWD car, touted as AWD. Lots of fancy terminology and techno speak for a car that drives around as 100:0, and only splits torque to the rear when wheel slipage occurs, and only then (worst here) at a 50:50 ratio. Unlike car's such as the Volvo S60R (30:70), or subaru legacy (45:55 normally), Mazda's solution is basically "ultra" FWD.

3) For some reason they choose to identically copy the Acura TL grill. Maybe they ran out of ideas? The standard A-spec Mazdaspeed6 was far nicer.

4) It appears that the transfer case is "water cooled" or to quote the fancy pr speak completely...

"The Power Take Off (PTO) system that that aggressively distributes torque to the rear axle is fitted with its own water-cooled cooling system. "

Which all sounds good and nice...till you read between the lines. Why the hell does the transfer case "NEED" to be water cooled. Manufacturers don't just "add" neato "cooling features" without some dire need to. Who wants to bet the transfer case will snap in half without water cooling? Maybe this is why its max rear distribution is only a maximum of 140 ft/lbs of torque.

5) Mazda did nothing to the fender wells. Their still extremely narrow in the rear, and any type of aggressive rims (aka x8 inch wide wheels) require rolling. Their replacement mazdaspeed wheels are just heavier 18x7 wheels with 215/45/18 rubber. Sigh.

6) Cost...I think I'll take an Evo MR, Rx8, or used Z06 instead.

7) Internals? Are they beefed up? A Standard 6i has a cast iron crank, standard pistons, and sinister forged rods. Its massive stroke of 94 mm leaves its rods extremely vulnerable to damage, even with minor boost levels (if they didn't beef them up heavily). See miata's for more information on long stroke piston motors.

I hope they aren't pulling an MSP.

Vrimmick

Have you seen new mazdaspeed6? It has a turbocharged engine and a 4 wheel drive. I am wondering when we gonna see mazdaspeed rx8. According to mazda there will be several new vehicles coming out next year with a mazdaspeed badge. I have also heard that the engine from an rx8 automatic version is more likely to find its place under mazdaspeed rx8 ... it supposedly is better for FI applications.

downshift

We got a lively thread on the Mazdaspeed 6 here: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=40053

Join in!

BoxerGT2.5

You took the words right out of my mouth. I think in the end many will find it hard to dole out cash on a one-off car like the 6 that is supposedly AWD with a turbo, when Subaru has been perfecting it for years. The last AWD mazda I could think of was 323 GTX?

amp

amazes me how one can speak for others...
as a six owner.. i for one would....

ZoomZoomH

iTrader: (1)

Mazda has always had AWD cars in their lineup, just not sold in NA...

wakeech

er, why would you want to do that?? if you're thinking of BPU supra power curves, it's not a good thing they look like that, as what you're seeing is a severely deminishing torque curve (meaning your efficiency is going down the toilet). why make it level off when you could keep it rollin'??

chinx

yeah, a good number of mazdas have always been available w/ AWD, just not here. the late-models cars were familia (protege), MPV, jdm capella (626), bongo friendee (mazda's rwd van), and atenza has always been available w/ AWD from the start. they're not an "unproven" maker of AWD as some have implied

BoxerGT2.5

I realize that, but Joe Blow who is an accountant won't. I'm sure the salesmen probably don't know that and even if they did and told the person Mazda has AWD available some time overseas do you think that will be reassuring to the N.A. buyer?

chinx

joe blow who is an accountant won't be buying this car; he'd be leasing a black chevy impala. most people who buy this car would be those who already know most everything about it

ZoomZoomH

iTrader: (1)

yeah the six-speed-only transmission option will definitely keep the Joe Blow accountants away from this car, lol

this is not a mass production car, nor should it be :D

BoxerGT2.5

And how many 8's were flooded because the person never owned a rotary??? :p

shelleys_man_06

Haha yeah. shelleys_man_06 still can't interpret graphs.

rlfletch

Now if they could wedge all that trick kit under the new Mazda5 now we would be talking!

BTW: For those 6 cylinder whiners: the AWD won't fit with the 6 cylinder engine. No room.

yz007

how much is it going to weigh? If its close to 3000 i might have to get one :D be like an EVO without all the Ugly.

cgrx

http://65.54.246.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?...3dMjI2MTE5MQS2

Ike

It's just not that simple. The Evo is a very special car, other car companies have tried to duplicate or top it's handling and feel, but they almost always fall short.

SuPerHerO::tOnY

i believe that the new mazdaspeed 6 is going to be very impressive. But i believe yes it will have a few slight problems which might force us to do a little modifciations in order to achieve its highest potential. It has a good engine, and good chassis but the body can be fixed .

i believe he can be totally right. but dont doubt guys. this is the same company that brought the rx8, rx7 and the mazdaspeed protege.