rotary crazy

I think a perfect MS8 will be 220 RWHP NA ( if possible), a little ligther, more agresive gearing,better brakes,some suspension upgrades and something like the tokyo auto saloon concept RX-8 in the looks deparment.

Personally I would love NA 3 rotor engine with 300 hp and 240 lb/ft, but thats just a dream

9291150

That's the car I want...2400 pounds, 9000 smooth and linear rpms (forget boost!), and just over 10 pounds per hp, at near half the price of an Elise but a much better daily driver.

They'll still need some chassis tuning, but otherwise sign me up!

rotary crazy

A mx-5 with a FI 2.3 lt engine will have a significant gain in weight, somethin like 200 lbs, so todays car with 200 lbs more would be a 2800lb car

VikingDJ

Well even after all that it's still 200+ lbs lighter then the RX8, and has a boatload more power , so as nice as it would be to see the rotary engine in the next MS Miata, Mazda might as well attach a STUPID sign to their forehead if they did that. That spells one giant financial IDIOT move. They can't branch off into something like that, unless they are committed to making the rotary a part of the Miata permanently. I love this engine and all, but why ruin a long time reputation on their best selling sports car. Stick with what works, and the rotary has proved once agian to be a financial failure. Keep making the RX cars, but DON'T put the rotary into a Miata.

I'm being objective here, as it's a stupid company move to do that. However, the engine would be a perfect match for the Miata, so it's ashame we'll likely never see this.

Red Devil

No, that's called unsubstantiated opinion.

Mazda has sold more than 160K RX-8s throughout the world. Whether Mazda considers that a success or not, I think is conjecture.

rotary crazy

Mazda has said that the rx-8 program is a success, and its investing a lot of $$$ into the next Gen RX-8

9291150

I agree with your last line, disagree with all else. Why can't they still keep the RX cars, and have a higher priced and limited production "MX5-R" with a rotary. It'll be cost effective to produce, get the MX5 more respect from the enthusiast community, and take the rotary out of the niche RX market that it's in. Plus, it won't look like Mazda is copying the GXP. Already the GXP can't compete handling wise, now imagine an even lighter and better balanced MX5 with 60 more hp!

dynamho

I don't know the official figures, but I believe the RX-8 is a success globally -- just not so much stateside.

Renesis in the MX-5 would be very cool.

opus_opus

+1

RX-5 Miata would be very sweet to have. We get best of both worlds. The suspension on the NC does need a little tuning for more aggressive handling thought.

VikingDJ

OK, so let me get this straight. I'm 100% wrong. The rotary is not a failure in the US right now, as the RX8 is selling very well, and has since the beginning. Putting the rotary engine in the Miata would be a SMART financial move, and Mazda should do it, as they will sell tons of cars here if they do. HEHE

Seriously though, my point is that the Miata name and the Rotary don't mix from a car company standpoint. It breaks the mold of what the Miata has been about, and it would be foolish for Mazda to do so. Now if they make a limited edition roadster, based off the Miata, and put this engine in it, then YEAH, DO IT UP!!!. However, they can't call it a Miata. Just my opinion, and I understand there's a lof of people that MUST think like an enthusiast and not a business man, so with that said. HELL YEAH, slap the renesis in a MIATA. Perfect fit.

Red Devil

As for the MX-5 with a Renesis...I think the 2.3 disi is a much better fit.

rotary crazy

if it aint broken why fix it? the miata is doing great so why mess with it?

The rx-8 its mazda 3erd best selling rotary car, so it is a succes, you cant compare the #'s of any rx car with that of a piston car, rx cars are niche market vehicles

VikingDJ

True, but wasn't it blatently obvious that Mazda was trying to push the Rotary to a whole new level of sales? The RX8 didn't come out as a pure enthusiast vehicle. It was meant to try and appeal to more then the NICHE market. They literally overproduced the RX8 in 2004. Do you remember the leftover inventory even in the summer of 2005 on leftover 04's. I mean, it was INSANE. There were even 04s leftover near the very end of 2005, and perhaps into 2006. I had never seen anything like it. $8-$10k+ off MSRP was a normal thing. Mazda tried to push this niche engine into a mass market, and THAT failed.

Of course they wised up and produce enough to meet the demand now, so I agree, for what's to be expected as far as sales, I guess its not a failure, but this engine is not something you'd put into a Miata from a marketing standpoint.

When we are talking about a business decision regarding whether or not to put a Rotary engine into a Miata, YES we can and should compare the numbers, because THAT is a business decision Mazda would have to make. Low sales of the RX8 compared to other vehicles in it's class, and the rest of Mazda's vehicles, says it all. They can't put this engine into the Miata. Now if the RX8 was selling like the 350z, and other cars in it's class, then YES, I can see the possibility of the renesis in a limited trim Miata.

9291150

[QUOTE=VikingDJ;2027690]OK, so let me get this straight. I'm 100% wrong. /QUOTE]

Yep!

VikingDJ

^^^^

Don't hide behind your computer. Make an argument and prove some points, and prove I'm 100% wrong. CHOP CHOP, TIME'S A WASTING!!!!!


Just as I thought. HEHE

DOMINION

Its just your opinion

Conundrum

iTrader: (1)

Base on this, if 2010 RX-8 is to be early release in spring 2009 along with 2010Mazda 3, what do Mazda plan to do about 2009 model? Are they going to skip 2009 model RX-8, or produce limited number of 2009 model with no changes from 2008?

I might buy the PRHT Miata now if it came with 2.3... I don't want to wait another year.

rotary crazy

if the car is going to be a 2010 model it will be realease in 2009 as a 2010, thats only in the US for the rest of the wordl it will be a 2009

mysql101

We'll get a special edition Ultra Titanium Gray RX-8 with leather tires, and rubber seats.

opus_opus

What your and anyone else's guess as to the engine on the 4th generation Miata? Think about this. Release in 2009. That means production has to start the latest in early 2009. Mazda will have to have a good idea of what the engine is by this time around.

Renesis_8

of course they do, but they just wont tell us.
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robrecht

Yep, with those fenders, the car looks great with bigger rubber. Brian Goodwin, for example.

VikingDJ

Honda might wanna end the S2000 after 2008. It's time now. It's simply been out too long anyway without any actual re-design. Unless they go FI, which they won't, this Mazdaspeed Miata is likely gonna outperform it, and for less money. I'll stay tuned for this. Don't mess this up Mazda. This should be by far the best Mazdaspeed to date EASILY!!!!

Illmatic

I can't wait. I will be first in line for this car if they do it right. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

faboo

If you look at Mazda lately...this will be a dissappointment if you want it to compete with anything basically.....

The last mazdaspeed miata(MSM) was a nice improvement...beating s2k's...

and now with the new mx5 and the even older s2k i still doubt it...

Mazda makes sports cars that dont compete in that arena with current vehicles...the FD was the last vehicle to do so.....

The MS3 is a good sign..but the mazda 3 is a new vehicle and has no REAL history where as RX and Miatas do...so drastically changing them isnt going to come by so easily