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02-14-2006, 06:59 AM
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..... yes, I'm talking about the Mazda Tribute
I still say don't make a new car, make an FI kit. Heck, they already made a good one at Australia Mazda R+D. There's a thread here talking about it. 360+hp dang it!!!! They already have the kit and the guy said it was easy (of course because he has access to the ECU source code).
I don't know about you all, but what good would it do to have a MS8 come out and still have the 8 now? If you trade in the 8 for the MS 8 probably most of us would loose money in the trade. Also, if your 8 is paid off, close to pay off, or at least below blue book, would you really want to spend ~35K and have another bill again or spend ~8k (Mazdaspeed stuff aint cheap) for a warrantied FI kit? To me I would be a little upset if they release the MS8 as another car.
02-14-2006, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by crimson-rain
To me I would be a little upset if they release the MS8 as another car.
I guess the advantage of the kit from Mazda is that you would keep your warranty if installed by a dealer??
02-14-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by crimson-rain
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still say don't make a new car, make an FI kit. Heck, they already made a good one at Australia Mazda R+D. There's a thread here talking about it. 360+hp dang it!!!! They already have the kit and the guy said it was easy (of course because he has access to the ECU source code).
I still say don't make a new car, make an FI kit. Heck, they already made a good one at Australia Mazda R+D. There's a thread here talking about it. 360+hp dang it!!!! They already have the kit and the guy said it was easy (of course because he has access to the ECU source code).
B. it was easy because they copied someone else's work.
C. they have never and wont ever let independant real tests be doen with it because its a PR gimmigk. They(Mazda Australia) wont ever make any for sale because they wont make it past their version of EPA.
D. They are using piggy back/interceptor type engine management because they DO NOT have access to the pcm. Where as MNAO does and has run test cars( the white one even driven by Sam Mitani) of SC's and TC's with stock PCM updates
02-15-2006, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
That looks alot like the AutoExe bodykit... http://www.autoexe.co.jp/car/Axela(BK)/bk02.html
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02-15-2006, 02:10 AM
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Just for the record, I previously owned a Mazdaspeed protege before buying my 8, and while many here would probably complain that it arrived to the party short on power, even with a turbo, those people are highly dissalusioned as to whether or not it was a success. I couldnt tell you how well the cars sold, but I can tell you that it remains to this day, the best handling front wheel drive car, and funnest front wheel drive car I have ever driven. The car wasn't meant to be a drag racer, and it shows. My best quarter mile time was a 15.5, and thats decent compared to other times ive seen with the car. However, I cant remember a single time where I was like damn, this super fun car is slooow. On the contrary, the car was perfectly balanced, drove like a dream, and had tons of goodies for a "stock" car. This is what a mazdaspeed car should be, and I dont think mazda has failed to deliver on any of the models it has created. The MP3 was hailed as a great car, but people complained it was to weak in the power department, so mazda turboed it for that extra ooomph. People wanted a turbo miata for years, and then complained when it only produced 170+ HP. Wouldnt a ton more horsepower upset the balance of the miata which is what makes it such a great car in the first place? And then people want to complain about the mazdaspeed 6. Whats wrong with it? Who cares that a comparo lists it second to a legacy gt? Most of those tests are subjective. Look at the performance numbers and they are very similar. Mazdaspeed greatly improved on the standard mazda 6, and when you look at the price of a MS6 and a top end 6, you will see that you are getting a hell of a bargain, as all of the mazdaspeed vehicles have been so far. If the MS3 is released, Im sure there will be someone around who is going to complain about it, regardless of how much of an improvement it is over the standard 3. I for one am positive that it will an awesome car, balanced, and a true bargain. However, to say that it will be the first good car from the mazdaspeed line is incorrect. Maybe you would have to have owned one to appreciate it.
02-15-2006, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRider36
Just for the record, I previously owned a Mazdaspeed protege before buying my 8, and while many here would probably complain that it arrived to the party short on power, even with a turbo, those people are highly dissalusioned as to whether or not it was a success. I couldnt tell you how well the cars sold, but I can tell you that it remains to this day, the best handling front wheel drive car, and funnest front wheel drive car I have ever driven. The car wasn't meant to be a drag racer, and it shows. My best quarter mile time was a 15.5, and thats decent compared to other times ive seen with the car. However, I cant remember a single time where I was like damn, this super fun car is slooow. On the contrary, the car was perfectly balanced, drove like a dream, and had tons of goodies for a "stock" car. This is what a mazdaspeed car should be, and I dont think mazda has failed to deliver on any of the models it has created. The MP3 was hailed as a great car, but people complained it was to weak in the power department, so mazda turboed it for that extra ooomph. People wanted a turbo miata for years, and then complained when it only produced 170+ HP. Wouldnt a ton more horsepower upset the balance of the miata which is what makes it such a great car in the first place? And then people want to complain about the mazdaspeed 6. Whats wrong with it? Who cares that a comparo lists it second to a legacy gt? Most of those tests are subjective. Look at the performance numbers and they are very similar. Mazdaspeed greatly improved on the standard mazda 6, and when you look at the price of a MS6 and a top end 6, you will see that you are getting a hell of a bargain, as all of the mazdaspeed vehicles have been so far. If the MS3 is released, Im sure there will be someone around who is going to complain about it, regardless of how much of an improvement it is over the standard 3. I for one am positive that it will an awesome car, balanced, and a true bargain. However, to say that it will be the first good car from the mazdaspeed line is incorrect. Maybe you would have to have owned one to appreciate it.
2.) The 170hp DID upset the balance of the Miata
3.) The MS6 has finished 4th and 5th in the two comparos it has been in
I didn't own one because it wasn't the best car under 25k, it was maybe 5th best at the time I purchased my WRX. I testdrove one, it was fun, but wasn't as good as the WRX, RSX Type S, SRT-4, or SVT Focus.
02-15-2006, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
1.) You've clearly never driven an Integra Type R
2.) The 170hp DID upset the balance of the Miata
3.) The MS6 has finished 4th and 5th in the two comparos it has been in
I didn't own one because it wasn't the best car under 25k, it was maybe 5th best at the time I purchased my WRX. I testdrove one, it was fun, but wasn't as good as the WRX, RSX Type S, SRT-4, or SVT Focus.
2.) The 170hp DID upset the balance of the Miata
3.) The MS6 has finished 4th and 5th in the two comparos it has been in
I didn't own one because it wasn't the best car under 25k, it was maybe 5th best at the time I purchased my WRX. I testdrove one, it was fun, but wasn't as good as the WRX, RSX Type S, SRT-4, or SVT Focus.
2.) I wouldnt say it upset the balance completely, as the MSM is still a very well balanced car. Anyhow, your point further illustrates mine. If you think 170hp upset the balance, than any more power would have really screwed with it.
3.) Again, these comparisons are highly subjective. Many of the points awarded in these comparisons are for visual and interior looks, as well as comfort, etc. Peformance wise, it is either on par, or better than the cars that placed better. Still, a VERY LARGE improvement over a stock 6.
Also, 2 of the four cars you listed cost 5000 dollars more than the MSP. To compare it to a wrx or rsx s gives a price advantage to those two cars. An srt 4 is considerably faster, that was never a question, but to say its more fun than the protege is again only a matter of opinion. I choose to have my fun in the turns, as do many of the people who bought one. At the time of the MSP release, the srt 4 didnt handle as well as it does now, and it still isnt that great. Can you say body roll? The only car I can not attest to because it is the only one you mentioned that I never drove, is the svt focus. I heard it was great, but never got around to trying it out.
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02-15-2006, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRider36
1.) I was waiting for this response. I certainly have driven an integra type r, time and time again. The MSP was much more confidence inspiring and I felt that it showed better response in the corners
2.) I wouldnt say it upset the balance completely, as the MSM is still a very well balanced car. Anyhow, your point further illustrates mine. If you think 170hp upset the balance, than any more power would have really screwed with it.
3.) Again, these comparisons are highly subjective. Many of the points awarded in these comparisons are for visual and interior looks, as well as comfort, etc. Peformance wise, it is either on par, or better than the cars that placed better. Still, a VERY LARGE improvement over a stock 6.
Also, 2 of the four cars you listed cost 5000 dollars more than the MSP. To compare it to a wrx or rsx s gives a price advantage to those two cars. An srt 4 is considerably faster, that was never a question, but to say its more fun than the protege is again only a matter of opinion. I choose to have my fun in the turns, as do many of the people who bought one. At the time of the MSP release, the srt 4 didnt handle as well as it does now, and it still isnt that great. Can you say body roll? The only car I can not attest to because it is the only one you mentioned that I never drove, is the svt focus. I heard it was great, but never got around to trying it out.
2.) I wouldnt say it upset the balance completely, as the MSM is still a very well balanced car. Anyhow, your point further illustrates mine. If you think 170hp upset the balance, than any more power would have really screwed with it.
3.) Again, these comparisons are highly subjective. Many of the points awarded in these comparisons are for visual and interior looks, as well as comfort, etc. Peformance wise, it is either on par, or better than the cars that placed better. Still, a VERY LARGE improvement over a stock 6.
Also, 2 of the four cars you listed cost 5000 dollars more than the MSP. To compare it to a wrx or rsx s gives a price advantage to those two cars. An srt 4 is considerably faster, that was never a question, but to say its more fun than the protege is again only a matter of opinion. I choose to have my fun in the turns, as do many of the people who bought one. At the time of the MSP release, the srt 4 didnt handle as well as it does now, and it still isnt that great. Can you say body roll? The only car I can not attest to because it is the only one you mentioned that I never drove, is the svt focus. I heard it was great, but never got around to trying it out.
2.) No, it didn't completely upset the balance. However, upsetting the balance of a car by adding horsepower can be fixed with chassis and suspension tweaks, so it seems that's a bad excuse for not adding more horsepower.
3.) The main reason the MSP lost those comparisons was because of the engine. If you planned on modding the MSP further the engine got even more frustrating.
"Also, just three points separate the top three finishers in this test. A harsh decision, but until Mazda serves up an engine to match the moves, we have to defer to those more transformed."
4.) Even in its first year before the LSD the SRT-4 handled pretty well, it wasn't the autox darling the MSP was but it was pretty damn close and I felt body roll was pretty minimal.
Don't get me wrong, the MSP was a fun little car and I liked it, but my point was that it fell short compared to other skunk works cars and even more cars if you consider some that were a little more expensive.
02-15-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
1.) It seems you've had more seat time in both cars than I have, but the seat time I did have I felt the ITR was the better handling car, a case could be made for the Min as well. Regardless, the MSP is on a short list of FWD cars that handle really well.
2.) No, it didn't completely upset the balance. However, upsetting the balance of a car by adding horsepower can be fixed with chassis and suspension tweaks, so it seems that's a bad excuse for not adding more horsepower.
3.) The main reason the MSP lost those comparisons was because of the engine. If you planned on modding the MSP further the engine got even more frustrating.
"Also, just three points separate the top three finishers in this test. A harsh decision, but until Mazda serves up an engine to match the moves, we have to defer to those more transformed."
4.) Even in its first year before the LSD the SRT-4 handled pretty well, it wasn't the autox darling the MSP was but it was pretty damn close and I felt body roll was pretty minimal.
Don't get me wrong, the MSP was a fun little car and I liked it, but my point was that it fell short compared to other skunk works cars and even more cars if you consider some that were a little more expensive.
2.) No, it didn't completely upset the balance. However, upsetting the balance of a car by adding horsepower can be fixed with chassis and suspension tweaks, so it seems that's a bad excuse for not adding more horsepower.
3.) The main reason the MSP lost those comparisons was because of the engine. If you planned on modding the MSP further the engine got even more frustrating.
"Also, just three points separate the top three finishers in this test. A harsh decision, but until Mazda serves up an engine to match the moves, we have to defer to those more transformed."
4.) Even in its first year before the LSD the SRT-4 handled pretty well, it wasn't the autox darling the MSP was but it was pretty damn close and I felt body roll was pretty minimal.
Don't get me wrong, the MSP was a fun little car and I liked it, but my point was that it fell short compared to other skunk works cars and even more cars if you consider some that were a little more expensive.
Fair counterpoints, and I respect your opinions. Now lets go grab a beer somewhere.
02-15-2006, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
1.) You've clearly never driven an Integra Type R
2.) The 170hp DID upset the balance of the Miata
3.) The MS6 has finished 4th and 5th in the two comparos it has been in
I didn't own one because it wasn't the best car under 25k, it was maybe 5th best at the time I purchased my WRX. I testdrove one, it was fun, but wasn't as good as the WRX, RSX Type S, SRT-4, or SVT Focus.
2.) The 170hp DID upset the balance of the Miata
3.) The MS6 has finished 4th and 5th in the two comparos it has been in
I didn't own one because it wasn't the best car under 25k, it was maybe 5th best at the time I purchased my WRX. I testdrove one, it was fun, but wasn't as good as the WRX, RSX Type S, SRT-4, or SVT Focus.
type R song
02-16-2006, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
02-16-2006, 06:03 PM
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you guys need to hear the original honda songs that started it all, the mcnasty songs. ill go fetch them for you(the guy that sings the type R song got inspiration from mcnasty as you can tell by some of the lyrics)