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Old May 21, 2011 | 01:34 AM
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Here you go...nice clean clear vision of the 787B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1hy9I3G0s
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Old May 21, 2011 | 01:46 AM
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Thanks for sharing!
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Old May 21, 2011 | 07:44 AM
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Something tells me that Mazad isn't gonna baby it around at the event
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Old May 21, 2011 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tjbourgoyne
Cool. "Due to a change in the race regulations...." should read, "Due to the 787b bad assness a change in the race regulations...."
The leading mercedes retired, that's why mazda won so it isn't entirely mazda's merit.
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Old May 21, 2011 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bse50
The leading mercedes retired, that's why mazda won so it isn't entirely mazda's merit.
yes, but if we want to be correct the C11 was a 5.0 V8 twin turbo, not exactly the same size of a NA 2.6 quadrirotor......
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Old May 21, 2011 | 08:24 AM
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True! Yet Mazda only won because of that double retirement. The r26b's capabilities are well known but being blindfolded is never good i guess.
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Old May 21, 2011 | 08:31 AM
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UPDATE.

for the Le Mans event the car was FULLY restored by Mazda. (scroll pics)

http://response.jp/article/img/2011/...07/333044.html
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Old May 21, 2011 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bse50
True! Yet Mazda only won because of that double retirement. The r26b's capabilities are well known but being blindfolded is never good i guess.
well you can say that, but DNF happens all the time in motorsports, its just part of the "game."

you can say Mazda got lucky, but I can say the same to whoever the winner was for the past. (or any other race events)

"Oh yeah they won because __________'s car DNF !!!"

To me it doesn't matter if other team's driver got a stomachache during the race and **** in the car and gotta DNF

a Win, is a WIN

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Old May 21, 2011 | 10:08 AM
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well you can say that, but DNF happens all the time in motorsports, its just part of the "game."

you can say Mazda got lucky, but I can say the same to whoever the winner was for the past. (or any other race events)

"Oh yeah they won because __________'s car DNF !!!"

To me it doesn't matter if other team's driver got a stomachache during the race and **** in the car and gotta DNF

a Win, is a WIN
Sure but stating that's an engine\car merit when it isn't completely true is annoying after a while.
The cars and engines were great but luck played a role too and we must remember this.
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Old May 21, 2011 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bse50
Sure but stating that's an engine\car merit when it isn't completely true is annoying after a while.
The cars and engines were great but luck played a role too and we must remember this.
gotta say everybody needs a little bit of luck ... sometimes

I know Mercedes got pissed, LOL !
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Old May 21, 2011 | 01:33 PM
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All endurance races and especially 24 hour events require luck just to stay out of wrecks and not get tire punctures. The amount of effort and strategy involved in these long races is incredible.

So, again, Mazda did not have the most race pace (Quickest, fastest car) but they more than deserved their win. They spent one tenth of what some teams have spent at LeMans and they took home gold. The best thing about rotaries in racing is durability and the 787b had that and much more that day.

Paul.

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Old May 21, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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They spent one tenth of what some teams have spent at LeMans and they took home gold. The best thing about rotaries in racing is durability and the 787b had that and much more that day.

Paul.

this is 100% correct and is the real meaning of 1991 win at LM. David CAN beat Goliath, obviously Goliath had some transmission issues
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Old May 21, 2011 | 04:32 PM
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The Mercedes could've had a 8L V10 Twin Turbo with 900hp for all I care... Reliability is key to any endurance races. Remember, the more complicated the engine, the more to go wrong. Same goes for weight and power.
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Old May 21, 2011 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MattMPS
UPDATE.

for the Le Mans event the car was FULLY restored by Mazda. (scroll pics)

http://response.jp/article/img/2011/...07/333044.html
wow, the pics showing the techs rebuilding the engine - or perhaps they are just inspecting the internals - are definitely amazing. That 4 rotor engine is quite impressive
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Old May 22, 2011 | 02:15 PM
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I think Joel is going to get one of these.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 10:12 AM
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Wired picked up the story as well

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/05...rn-to-le-mans/
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:34 AM
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787B's R26B Engine Pics..

This is one BIG Eccentric Shaft!





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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 05:35 AM
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The 787B was restored by Mazda engineers who had participated in the Le Mans project 20 years ago.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh8yx...layer_embedded

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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 05:51 AM
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This is Full of win
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
This is Full of win
Agreed... Now im waiting for it to be unbanned
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WTBRotary!
Agreed... Now im waiting for it to be unbanned
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Even if they unban it, Mazda probably won't go back, at least not for another couple of years, because this is a money burning game and sadly, the economy right now does not allow a small/mid size company like Mazda to play again right now.

A lot of ppl didn't know Mazda actually won Le Mans, this might be a good time to remind the whole world that Mazda is much better than they thought and rotary engine PWNZ
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
Even if they unban it, Mazda probably won't go back, at least not for another couple of years, because this is a money burning game and sadly, the economy right now does not allow a small/mid size company like Mazda to play again right now.

A lot of ppl didn't know Mazda actually won Le Mans, this might be a good time to remind the whole world that Mazda is much better than they thought and rotary engine PWNZ

NYCGPS I think you and I share similar thinking...

After owning this car I dont think I could go buy anything that uses Pistons, unless its a DD. This car is just so much fun... Rotary > Pistons...
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:53 PM
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I already have a piston as my dd, Mazda 3

Even I said dd, its more like a 60/40 ratio, the 3 takes the 60 part

Hohohoho, I can't wait till I get the money to give my 8a fresh repaint
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:08 PM
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I hope you guys are joking (And laughing at my expense ): The rotary is not banned and was not banned. We ran 3 and 4 rotor cars at Le Mans after that (With a class win in 96 by the way). We ran a 4 rotor car up to 2002 in a Welter Racing chassis with Yojiro Terada (Owns AutoExe and has driven for Mazdaspeed forever).

Anyhow; it was not banned .

Paul.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:43 PM
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Yeah, the rotary (and other non V10s) were allowed back in '94, except the rotary wasn't allowed to have the variable intake runners.

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