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altspace 09-01-2010 03:28 PM

http://i54.tinypic.com/4rtgeg.jpg

altspace 09-01-2010 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by Mazmart (Post 3696632)
By the way, another excellent Mazda concept is coming in the future but that's all I am willing or capable of saying at this time.

What else is new? Lol. All we have been seeing are design concepts.

ASH8 09-01-2010 04:08 PM

Mmmm RG, I do not know if this does have a Rotary when you hear this clip...no throaty noise at all...perhaps Automotive News put in the sound??

Bugga!!..I wish it wasn't so WINDY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTcjibUfGLg

olddragger 09-01-2010 04:11 PM

this car has a 2.0 4 cylinder engine in it and a mazda 2 rear (widen) suspension.
It will not be a production car.
Sorry to bust any bubbles.
Car and Driver just released this info.
There may be in the sometime future a "Sky Rotary" engine--but not in this car.
OD

ASH8 09-01-2010 04:38 PM

At least the WHEELS TURN and It drives under own steam...OD

ASH8 09-01-2010 04:39 PM

More NEWS...

http://wot.motortrend.com/6681587/fu...ech/index.html

According to our sources, Mazda is working on the biggest rethink ever of its signature Wankel rotary engine, with a 'stroker' version under development. A new eccentric shaft, with greater, err, eccentricity, would increase engine diameter, but could help improve the engine's fuel efficiency. Senior engineers add that some Sky-G piston engine technologies are applicable to the rotary, and could also help cut its thirst and exhaust emissions.

As we reported recently, the new rotary engine, codenamed 16X, is currently under development. Engineers have been struggling to find the sweet spot containing optimum power with low fuel consumption, emissions, and oil consumption that has hindered development thus far. If Mazda's Sky-G technology is adaptable, it could give Mazda the efficiency and cleanliness it needs to break out from prototype to production.

Those worried that Mazda may give up on the rotary altogether needn't be. "The rotary is like a jewel or a treasure for Mazda," Kanai says, adding that Mazda is the only company that knows how to polish something so valuable.

Spin9k 09-01-2010 05:00 PM

"Please ask Mazda to do a new sports car, please..." begs Maeda.


Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/6681587/fu...#ixzz0yJkOsGIY

Just where exactly can we do this? Do they have a site where we can comment..? Just calling them seems pointless, talking to some unnamed telephone rep....

zoom44 09-01-2010 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3696679)
the platform its sitting on appears to be the newest platform that will be used for the 6 as well as everything from the 3- the cx-9 as its purposefully made modular. they are even trying to fit it under the 2. in C/D segment configuration(6) they said it is 100kg lighter than the current 6 platform

correction for various reasons. at the debut they talked about the new modular chassis/platform that will underpin new vehicles that will carry the new design language, they did not say that the Shinari had that new structure underneath. Shinari is using "off the shelf" stuff that gave them the size and mobility they wanted for the concept.

zoom44 09-01-2010 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by Spin9k (Post 3696913)
"Please ask Mazda to do a new sports car, please..." begs Maeda.


Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/6681587/fu...#ixzz0yJkOsGIY

Just where exactly can we do this? Do they have a site where we can comment..? Just calling them seems pointless, talking to some unnamed telephone rep....

email them :) they like to get emails. as long as people keep emailing they will keep listening. calling does work to;)

hornbm 09-01-2010 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3696929)
email them :) they like to get emails. as long as people keep emailing they will keep listening. calling does work to;)

I would like to e-mail them but as you can see, they don't actually like putting their e-mail address under "e-mail mazda" under contact us on their website.... what the hell mazda?

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7428/mazdausa.jpg

Mazmart 09-01-2010 06:58 PM

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I really love this picture. The beautiful design and the men responsible for it. I can't stop looking at Shinari, it's like a drug!

Paul.

zoom44 09-01-2010 07:05 PM

MazdaCustomerAssistance@mazdausa.com

Mazmart 09-01-2010 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 3696836)
this car has a 2.0 4 cylinder engine in it and a mazda 2 rear (widen) suspension.
It will not be a production car.
Sorry to bust any bubbles.
Car and Driver just released this info.
There may be in the sometime future a "Sky Rotary" engine--but not in this car.
OD

And here is the quote from Car and Driver:

We peeked underneath the concept and discovered a 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine (likely one of the company’s new Sky powerplants) driving the front wheels, and a lower-control-arm front-suspension layout.

Paul.

RIWWP 09-01-2010 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3697078)

Thanks. I went hunting for it as well.

Only found the mailing address, so was gonna do the paper route if I had to. I'd rather email.com

Spin9k 09-01-2010 07:35 PM

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Real body double ... no photchop .. sittin in my driveway ;)

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Velocity 09-01-2010 09:57 PM

If Mazda makes a rotary-powered car with this styling by 2013, i'll buy it.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...ant_medium.jpg

vincephan 09-01-2010 10:17 PM

This concept coming with a 2.0 piston motor driving the front wheels doesn't necessarily mean much at all. They simply need to give it a powerplant to move it around and the EASIEST way to do that is to throw this concept car on top of current "off-the-shelf" Mazda 3/6 parts.

If you look inside the dashboard where it shows a diagram of the car's "drivetrain". The engine position painted on that gauge shows that it's mounted BEHIND the front axles which is basically impossible to do if you're planning on using a FWD layout.

Basically, this IS the next RX. The current 16X wasn't used because it's not finished yet, possibly because Mazda want's to try implementing the new SKY technology to see if it can further improve it's rotary. The reason why the concept car is not rear-wheel driven is strictly due to ease and economic reasons. It IS a concept car, this is just to show the audience a design language as well as aesthetics at the point. The next adaptation of the concept will probably be a mule that will be a mechanically closer link to the potential showroom model.

We can rest assured that this car WILL eventually make it onto the market. I'm 98.9% sure it will also come with a SKY 16x as well as RWD.

Razz1 09-02-2010 12:32 AM

All I have to say is............

Make it to Seven Stock or your gonna cry.

I won't tell you how I know.

WTBRotary! 09-02-2010 12:38 AM

^^^ Do you think they have a suprise for us Razz?

8 Maniac 09-02-2010 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 3697424)
All I have to say is............

Make it to Seven Stock or your gonna cry.

I won't tell you how I know.

Holy crap... how did I forget that was coming up!

hornbm 09-02-2010 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 3697424)
All I have to say is............

Make it to Seven Stock or your gonna cry.

I won't tell you how I know.

They did show off the kabura a few years back at sevenstock. I'd say its quite possible that this concept makes an appearance this year at sevenstock.

SayNoToPistons 09-02-2010 01:23 AM


Originally Posted by Mazmart (Post 3697093)
And here is the quote from Car and Driver:

We peeked underneath the concept and discovered a 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine (likely one of the company’s new Sky powerplants) driving the front wheels, and a lower-control-arm front-suspension layout.

Paul.

Makes me a sad panda, especially the FWD part.

PeteInLongBeach 09-02-2010 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by vincephan (Post 3697319)
If you look inside the dashboard where it shows a diagram of the car's "drivetrain". The engine position painted on that gauge shows that it's mounted BEHIND the front axles which is basically impossible to do if you're planning on using a FWD layout.

LOL...not true at all. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind that misconception.

The iconic FWD Cord L-29 and 810 were this layout, and the famous Citroen Traction Avant and DS and SM used this configuration in mass production from 1934 - 1975 (with many rally successes), along with Renault 4, 5, and 16.

Hmmm... a mid-engine FWD rotary Mazda......

Mazmart 09-02-2010 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by PeteInLongBeach (Post 3697534)
LOL...not true at all. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind that misconception.

The iconic FWD Cord L-29 and 810 were this layout, and the famous Citroen Traction Avant and DS and SM used this configuration in mass production from 1934 - 1975 (with many rally successes), along with Renault 4, 5, and 16.

Hmmm... a mid-engine FWD rotary Mazda......

Mazda even did longitudinal fwd rotaries before (Luce) and are using transverse fwd Renesis in the Premacy RE test fleet. What is actually powering this Shinari concept does not seem to be of any significance and it would appear that Mazda would like to keep it that way. Their main point here is to display their new design language.

Paul.

RIWWP 09-02-2010 07:58 AM

Considering how production ready it looks, I think people are just forgetting that this is a just a display of exterior and interior design as you say. Not a preliminary display of a car they are bringing to market.


If nothing else, I think the torsion beam rear suspension gives that away, even if common sense doesn't.


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