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Old May 13, 2015 | 02:03 PM
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Mazda and Toyota Sign Agreement Officially

Previously this agreement was for JDM use only (Mazda 3 Hybrid), now this new one permits Mazda to use Toyota proprietary parts worldwide and visa versa.
Plus new ventures...

This is good news for Mazda (and Toyota)..

Toyota & Mazda enter into a mutually beneficial long term partnership


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Old May 13, 2015 | 02:39 PM
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Found this interesting and complimentary quote from Toyoda about Mazda today..

Toyota engineers say privately that their company has been quietly benchmarking the comparatively tiny Japanese rival, fascinated by its uncanny ability to churn out high-quality vehicles on a shoestring budget -- and to do so profitably from high-cost Japan.

Toyoda said that despite the difference in size between the two companies, Toyota has much to learn.

“In a sense, Mazda is ahead of us in many areas,” he said.

Mazda’s high-compression Skyactiv engines, efficient transmission and lightweight chassis systems, as well as its Kodo design language, are prime examples of areas where Mazda leads Toyota by a “full lap,” Toyoda said.
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Old May 13, 2015 | 02:47 PM
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A lot of the general public underestimate them based on some surface numbers without really looking at them closer.

Would be nice if they collaborate on a sports car. The subbi engine is everything that is wrong with the FR-s/BRZ. Stick a rotary in it
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Old May 13, 2015 | 02:49 PM
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the brz/frs thing is practically a 4 banger rx8 clone
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Old May 13, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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In USA yes..

Rotary is dead and buried as we know it...unfortunately.
As a prime motor source it will never make the required MPG efficiencies, let alone emissions standards on gasoline which are now way more stringent since even the 16X DI launch in 2007.
Euro 6 next year is even tougher than current US emissions.(NOx, CO).

As a cycle on/off battery back-up, has some possibilities, but it is no longer an RX-.

There could be a slight glimmer with a hydrogen fuel cell RE now we have this Toyota tie up, see Toyota Mirai
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Old May 13, 2015 | 03:09 PM
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I don't write off Mazda's ingenuity so fast Ash

There is a hugely compelling set of counterpoints to the whole "emissions" "mpg" complaints. Even assuming Mazda would never do something just to defy what the world thinks they should do... but they have a long history of doing exactly that.

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Old May 13, 2015 | 03:14 PM
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I never have Pearl....

Seeing the Renesis 1 is a 1999 child how long do you want me to wait...

I will be dead

...and buried (cremated actually).
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Old May 13, 2015 | 03:17 PM
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That would be assuming that a future rotary has today's start date.

I'm more than happy to get into my grounded and reasonable foundation for my belief, but probably derailing the thread
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Old May 13, 2015 | 03:26 PM
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Michel de Nostredame
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Old May 13, 2015 | 03:28 PM
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I'm far more realistic than that. I'll send you an email
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Old May 13, 2015 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicsdaman
the brz/frs thing is practically a 4 banger rx8 clone

They would have been a lot better with the RX-8 or Miata suspension than what they did with the Toyotaru thing
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Old May 13, 2015 | 07:30 PM
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This is defiantly good for rotary development and will be an excellent thing for both company's (hopefully this is.) You never know maybe a 3 rotor with a hybrid system could be the near future.....
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Old May 14, 2015 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sonicsdaman
the brz/frs thing is practically a 4 banger rx8 clone
Without the handling characteristics.
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Old May 14, 2015 | 09:38 AM
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Toyota Blandness into the Mazda world? It sounds like an excellent idea.
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Old May 14, 2015 | 11:25 AM
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I think this answers where the new CX-9 engine is coming from
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Old May 14, 2015 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
Toyota Blandness into the Mazda world? It sounds like an excellent idea.
But... but... but...

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But... but... but...

Yeah remember what the FRS looked like as a concept? This is the anemic POS that made it to market.


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Old May 14, 2015 | 12:53 PM
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^This is true... that did make me quite sad... but it's also the reason I got the R3 instead...

I still drool over these...




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Old May 14, 2015 | 01:54 PM
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More boringness, I think its a move to appeal more to minivan crowd. Toyota hasn't produced a relevant sports car in years.

But hey, their other stuff is pretty reliable.
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Old May 14, 2015 | 02:42 PM
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i said it elsewhere- a v-6 sourced from Toyota but with SkyActive top end - 270hp 30/40 cty/hwy mpg for the CX-9 and Mazdaspeed 6 maybe throw in plug in hybrid tech from Toyota for extra oomph off the line
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Old May 14, 2015 | 07:41 PM
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If it is the same 4L V6 that is in my Tacoma with the TRD supercharger, count me in for that 6!
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Old May 16, 2015 | 01:43 AM
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Glad to see this, seems it will be mutually beneficial. Curious what else could come from the relationship in the future.


...and now toyota has another automaker on retainer to build a sports car for them, seeming as they don't want to tackle that task all on their own anymore.
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Old May 17, 2015 | 08:28 PM
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OK, waiting for the four rotor FRS....
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Old May 17, 2015 | 11:14 PM
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Many companies seem to be lacking in the sports car area lately. This era seems to be breeding efficient, transportation vehicles while the sports enthusiasts are left out in the cold. Many popular vehicles like Mitsubishi's Lancer Evo has now ceased production, and you can hardly even call the new Subaru WRX a Subaru anymore. Toyota, Honda, etc are still left without real headliner sports vehicles, like Mazda. American brands seem to be on the upswing however.

Hopefully Mazda can profit a bit from the partnership to get competitive in the sports car department. Maybe after the economy recovers a bit more. I won't hold my breath though.
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Old May 18, 2015 | 07:25 AM
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Keep in mind that when a car is released is typically about 5 years after it is actually designed and developed. Guess what was 4 years ago? The Japanese tsunami, amid a global car sales slump. Sports cars are the first to get the axe or put on hold when profits plummet.

Thinking of what the world is currently like is what affects cars released 5 years from now, not cars available now. This sports car void isn't unexpected.
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