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Here's another twist on the Kabura just adding to the "what ifs".
Do you think that it's possible that you also might just be staring in the face of the next gen RX-8? This car shares so many similar design cues.
The rear 3/4 view from the front of the door to the front of the fenders is all RX-8. The front view is all RX-8. The console and dash resembles the RX-8. Could it be that Mazda is testing the public's reaction to the possible next gen ideas that they have for the RX-8?
Do you think that it's possible that you also might just be staring in the face of the next gen RX-8? This car shares so many similar design cues.
The rear 3/4 view from the front of the door to the front of the fenders is all RX-8. The front view is all RX-8. The console and dash resembles the RX-8. Could it be that Mazda is testing the public's reaction to the possible next gen ideas that they have for the RX-8?
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Originally Posted by SHOWOFF
Could it be that Mazda is testing the public's reaction to the possible next gen ideas that they have for the RX-8?
I absolutely love our RX-8 but so far I'm not impressed with this car... the concepts posted earlier are much better IMO and if the final product looked anything like the previous ones I would pay any price for one! but unless this car changes drastically from now to production I may have to skip this generation and hope the next 2 seater rotary looks better.. 
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Mazda wins award with Kabura
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The Aesthetics and Innovation Award, which focuses on the aesthetics of
design; the very essence of design and the innovative way it brings out a new
and significant design standard was conferred upon the sleek Mazda Kabura.
design; the very essence of design and the innovative way it brings out a new
and significant design standard was conferred upon the sleek Mazda Kabura.
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Originally Posted by SHOWOFF
Here's another twist on the Kabura just adding to the "what ifs".
Do you think that it's possible that you also might just be staring in the face of the next gen RX-8? This car shares so many similar design cues.
The rear 3/4 view from the front of the door to the front of the fenders is all RX-8. The front view is all RX-8. The console and dash resembles the RX-8. Could it be that Mazda is testing the public's reaction to the possible next gen ideas that they have for the RX-8?
Do you think that it's possible that you also might just be staring in the face of the next gen RX-8? This car shares so many similar design cues.
The rear 3/4 view from the front of the door to the front of the fenders is all RX-8. The front view is all RX-8. The console and dash resembles the RX-8. Could it be that Mazda is testing the public's reaction to the possible next gen ideas that they have for the RX-8?
So, how about another "what if"? Maybe the Kabura is a resurrection of the RX-01.
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I really don't care about the engine type. I just gitty thinking about a lightweight RWD that isn't a convertible. As an added bonus the styling is pretty sharp. The marketplace has way too many FWD "sporty coupe" and certainly don't need another one.
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
I'm hoping for the 13B Renesis. Then there will be more aftermarket parts for our engine.
Is there any truth to the rumor that in Australia it will be called the "Kookabura"?
Is there any truth to the rumor that in Australia it will be called the "Kookabura"?
Hey yeah, call it the Mazda Kookabura the bird or a Mazda 'Akubra' our famous name for our outback hat..
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Originally Posted by RX-Hachi
Perhaps this is wishful thinking on the author's part, but there are many like myself that wish this would become true. I'd buy an RX-7 over an MX/RX-3, but that's me.
It would be a first if Mazda called it an RX-7 as they have never re-used a model's name for export after it has been discontinued...but you never know.....
If the Kabura makes it into production and then with a rotary...my tip is the model name will be RX-6...never used before......
IMO the RX-8 is and was the RX-7 replacement...because the way Mazda uses model codes, and their history of them...but that's another story...
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Originally Posted by ASH8
It would be a first if Mazda called it an RX-7 as they have never re-used a model's name for export after it has been discontinued...but you never know.....
If the Kabura makes it into production and then with a rotary...my tip is the model name will be RX-6...never used before......
IMO the RX-8 is and was the RX-7 replacement...because the way Mazda uses model codes, and their history of them...but that's another story...
If the Kabura makes it into production and then with a rotary...my tip is the model name will be RX-6...never used before......
IMO the RX-8 is and was the RX-7 replacement...because the way Mazda uses model codes, and their history of them...but that's another story...
But I'm not talking about names, what I want is a true next generation RX-7 "like" rotary car, with performance and style that equals or betters the 3rd gen. It's a hard act to follow, but if Mazda pulls it off, I'd buy it regardless of the name (RX-7, RX-6, RX-9, Kabura, whatever...) If Mazda builds a Scion tC class of car, I won't buy one (regardless of engine type), but I'm sure there are many that would.
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I still say that the solution to the RX7 problem is very simple for Mazda.
First, you use our platform and design a light weight 2 door coupe that is 2600lbs (by virtue of size and wheel base, it has to be heavier than a Miata). Then you stick a Renesis in it. Price it under 30K. Done. You have a car that will handle and be quick, not to mention better fuel economy due to the weight.
That not enough for you? Fine. Mazda offers a S/C kit like TRD does. for 8K, they install and warranty the work. Those enthusiasts crazy enough to spend upwards of 40K can have there new FD. This way, they can still have a light weight, fast, inexpensive car, with the ability to go head to head with the Evo's and Sti's of the world.
This pricing scheme means they can move enough cars to make a profit, cater to the enthusiasts and not have to worry about a bunch of kids blowing up there engines.
now is that really too hard Mazda?
First, you use our platform and design a light weight 2 door coupe that is 2600lbs (by virtue of size and wheel base, it has to be heavier than a Miata). Then you stick a Renesis in it. Price it under 30K. Done. You have a car that will handle and be quick, not to mention better fuel economy due to the weight.
That not enough for you? Fine. Mazda offers a S/C kit like TRD does. for 8K, they install and warranty the work. Those enthusiasts crazy enough to spend upwards of 40K can have there new FD. This way, they can still have a light weight, fast, inexpensive car, with the ability to go head to head with the Evo's and Sti's of the world.
This pricing scheme means they can move enough cars to make a profit, cater to the enthusiasts and not have to worry about a bunch of kids blowing up there engines.
now is that really too hard Mazda?
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If the Kabura makes it into production and then with a rotary...my tip is the model name will be RX-6...never used before......
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Wouldn't that confuse people with the current Mazda6?
If the Kabura makes it into production and then with a rotary...my tip is the model name will be RX-6...never used before......
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Wouldn't that confuse people with the current Mazda6?
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Not any more confusing than having the Mazda5 and MX-5.
Originally Posted by ASH8
If the Kabura makes it into production and then with a rotary...my tip is the model name will be RX-6...never used before......
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Wouldn't that confuse people with the current Mazda6?
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Wouldn't that confuse people with the current Mazda6?
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Originally Posted by brillo
I still say that the solution to the RX7 problem is very simple for Mazda.
First, you use our platform and design a light weight 2 door coupe that is 2600lbs (by virtue of size and wheel base, it has to be heavier than a Miata). Then you stick a Renesis in it. Price it under 30K. Done. You have a car that will handle and be quick, not to mention better fuel economy due to the weight.
That not enough for you? Fine. Mazda offers a S/C kit like TRD does. for 8K, they install and warranty the work. Those enthusiasts crazy enough to spend upwards of 40K can have there new FD. This way, they can still have a light weight, fast, inexpensive car, with the ability to go head to head with the Evo's and Sti's of the world.
This pricing scheme means they can move enough cars to make a profit, cater to the enthusiasts and not have to worry about a bunch of kids blowing up there engines.
now is that really too hard Mazda?
First, you use our platform and design a light weight 2 door coupe that is 2600lbs (by virtue of size and wheel base, it has to be heavier than a Miata). Then you stick a Renesis in it. Price it under 30K. Done. You have a car that will handle and be quick, not to mention better fuel economy due to the weight.
That not enough for you? Fine. Mazda offers a S/C kit like TRD does. for 8K, they install and warranty the work. Those enthusiasts crazy enough to spend upwards of 40K can have there new FD. This way, they can still have a light weight, fast, inexpensive car, with the ability to go head to head with the Evo's and Sti's of the world.
This pricing scheme means they can move enough cars to make a profit, cater to the enthusiasts and not have to worry about a bunch of kids blowing up there engines.
now is that really too hard Mazda?
Brilliant. Just make it happen Mazda, come on...
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Originally Posted by CoreDump
I couldn't have said it better. As much as I like seeing a new rotary coupe from Mazda (not neccessrary the Kabura), I think the Kabura, marketed as an affortable compact coupe, should utilize the MZR instead of rotary. Let's face it, the the MZR is cheaper (due to it's high volume production compared to rotary), more fuel effiecient (especially with DI), and more user friendly (no need to add oil every couple thousand miles and worry about flooding). Those quailities are very important for a high volume entry level coupe. Rotary engine is great (oh so smooth and the redline 
), but it's not for everyone. I think the Kabura with MZR, being priced correctly will dominiate the entry level coupe market.
The truth is, Mazda is still a second tier car manufactuer (from the financial and marketing stand point) compared to Honda, toyota, etc . What it needs is a money making car that also helps build up their reputation even further. You don't want someone who don't even know what a rotary engine is and have the car broken down because the driver doesn't know he/she needs to add oil between oil change. They will just blame Mazda for making unreliable car. The 8 is not a high volume car and mainly being sold to car enthusists and rotary-heads, so the problem is not as extensive. But for the Kabura to propell Mazda to the next level, I personally think the MZR fit the job better.
), but it's not for everyone. I think the Kabura with MZR, being priced correctly will dominiate the entry level coupe market.The truth is, Mazda is still a second tier car manufactuer (from the financial and marketing stand point) compared to Honda, toyota, etc . What it needs is a money making car that also helps build up their reputation even further. You don't want someone who don't even know what a rotary engine is and have the car broken down because the driver doesn't know he/she needs to add oil between oil change. They will just blame Mazda for making unreliable car. The 8 is not a high volume car and mainly being sold to car enthusists and rotary-heads, so the problem is not as extensive. But for the Kabura to propell Mazda to the next level, I personally think the MZR fit the job better.
SEE??! That's exactly what I tried to say in the first few pages, but all of a sudden, all the hardcore rotorheads jumped down my throat.
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I love how Mazda really pushes the envelope with automobile design. First, bringing back suicide doors to critical acclaim. Now, the 2+1 concept, which I personally have never seen before (except on the McLaren F1 in a different configuration...). Caveat: I don't know every single car in existence, let alone every concept car, so there very well could be others before this one that have this kind of 2+1 concept.
I'm still torn as to how this concept will do. If the passenger seat slides back far enough that it still looks like a normal coupe, yet could slide forward enough that the back seat passenger could be comfortable (front passenger as well), it could very well receive the same critical acclaim (and copying) that the return of the suicide doors brought.
It's a sports car, and still has that edge of practicality that the RX-8 has.
-P23
I'm still torn as to how this concept will do. If the passenger seat slides back far enough that it still looks like a normal coupe, yet could slide forward enough that the back seat passenger could be comfortable (front passenger as well), it could very well receive the same critical acclaim (and copying) that the return of the suicide doors brought.
It's a sports car, and still has that edge of practicality that the RX-8 has.
-P23
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Originally Posted by portero23
Now, the 2+1 concept, which I personally have never seen before (except on the McLaren F1 in a different configuration...). Caveat: I don't know every single car in existence, let alone every concept car, so there very well could be others before this one that have this kind of 2+1 concept.
Not trying to be **** about that, just want to make sure everyone regconize the 3+1 concept correctly (I was confused the first time when I read 3+1).
