Rotr8

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It does have a Rene in it, it just happens to be a 3 Rotor Rene...

ASH8

YES, I TOTALLY agree here mate....

Too many of these so called EXPERTs forgot about the cost of fuel around the World, and it's effect on peoples spending abilities and the flow on to ALL goods and services..

The Prime Loan collapse in the US and the "crash crisis" cause our Dollar to fall just over 38%...it was almost parity to the US Dollar (0.98 cants), so guess what our fuel prices only fell 30%, we are still paying $1.12 a litre today or about $4.40 a gallon Australian!.

When it got to $1.75 a litre many people here were leaving their cars at home and taking public transport to work, so what happened our Public transport system was overloaded.

If oil goes up (already $10 US a barrel) from it's 'crash' lows, we won't see any new rotary IMO...

BTW: I personally think Oil should NOT be in the hands of speculators whatsoever.

syntheticdarkness

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Isn't there a guy down there ash that made an magnetic engine, and one for the home to get off the grid? If it wasn't for wall street and outsource jobs everywhere no one would be in this mess. It's a big domino effect. Then the president setting the mpg standards is going to make the cars we like or want die off fast.

shazy

Just want to put it out there...our gas prices were 1.40 $ at one point and Canada and the US had the same currency for awhile.

ASH8

Yes, I recall seeing that on the Box a few years back..I have no Idea what happened to his invention.

And yes, I agree about the MPG Standards, I have this Gut feeling that the Auto world is going to change drastically for "Change Sake" when it is not really needed, and by that I mean many car makers are in a bind because they offer too many models of transport/cars, all it needs is a cull of models.

syntheticdarkness

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Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCel...eature=related

If they made engines compatible with hydrogen then none of us would have to worry about losing our cars or the companies to stop making them. To run our crv on pure hydrogen we would have to rebuild the whole engine so that it wouldn't corrode and rust. I wish I could show some of you guys this in person. The unit we have kicks a$@, very very explosive compared to gas.

If the hydrogen ren comes out, it should be about the same power I believe, didn't do to much research on it since I have a need to know for sure if they are going through with it, don't wanna waste time if it won't be made. Since we have the 8 already and if they do come out with it it will be a blessing to us. Not having to buy a whole new car just some key components.

ASH8

Yep, that is the one I remember seeing his first prototype a few years back...great to see, I hope he makes a fortune and it actually goes somewhere...

I have often wondered why we don't see more self perpetual (or self powered once running) engines or motors.

It is about time some of this technology made it into main stream society.

Remember the Ralf Sarich Orbital Engine of 30 years ago, another Perth (Australian) inventor that was bought out with a few Squillion Dollars, it was going to revolutionize the motoring world...I think the oil companies were involved in the buyout and have heard very little since.

I think it is used in some commercial form by someone?, can't be bothered Googleing..!!

shazy

That's what the oil companies do alot of the times. Once something pretty cool is invented and functions, without the use of Gasoline, or much oil, those companies shut it down before that piece of engineering is mass produced.

Remember what they did with the EV1?

StealthTL

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I have often wondered why we don't see more self perpetual (or self powered once running) engines or motors.


Once something pretty cool is invented and functions, without the use of Gasoline, or much oil, those companies shut it down

What color is the sky on your world?
It must be a lovely naїve place.........

S

kersh4w

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perpetual motion does not work.

it cant work.

there are always losses due to friction.

DarkLord7854

"But if you created a friction-less system, or a system which compensated.."

j/k

zoom44

in case you missed it he, earlier, was talking about one of those "brown gas" hydrogen generators he used on a previous vehicle and asked about fuel per minute use on the rx-8 with the idea of putting it on his 8. then made a reference to the hydrogen burning versions of the renesis that Mazda is testing as if they and that brown gas thing were the same.


apparently there is pie in the sky there too

syntheticdarkness

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Well zoom, I know the two hydrogen systems are two different types, but still make the same energy hydrogen. What I was actually comparing was the hydrogen ren should be about the same hp as the gasoline engine version, if not just a tad lower. Better watch out zoom I won't share any pie if you keep telling people, and the color of my sky varies.

rotarygod

The hydrogen Renesis makes about half the power the existing one does. Imagine the torque!

syntheticdarkness

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I read about that and was suprised 107 hp, the premacy is about 147-150, the honda fcx is 134 hp and 189 tq. Can't seem to find any torque figures for the other two. I wonder if they are just measuring the hydrogen hp, or if they are doing the gas/hydrogen. I don't see the gas half of the hydrogen 8 being 107, but then again I could be wrong.

zoom44

your mixing things up a bit. several different types of hydrogen usage with different power outputs because of the different designs


the Hydrogen rx-8 is a rotary internal cobustion engine fueled by hydrogen instead of gasoline. it was intially only about a third as powerful but has been improved to be about half as powerful as a renesis. they will do better obviously with the 16x....

the Premacy HRE Hybrid is using the power of the electric motor of the hybrid system to boost the TOTAL output to 110kw or @148 hp. but thats a combined number for both the motors with a 40% improvement over just the ICE alone



lastly, the honda fcx clarity is an electric car that uses a fuel cell for onboard electric power generation instead of batteries for storage. so it has the power and torque available from which ever electric motor they use.


3 different approaches for 3 different outputs

MattMPS

+1.... i don't see any future for an h2 ICE engine if not mated to an hybrid powertrain

(no jokes about NO future for h2, pelase )

zoom44

rg is a non believer you know. he'll make some post against it

MattMPS

God and non-believer it's an ossimoro (don't know the word in english..sorry )

EDIT: ossimoro=oxymoron :D

syntheticdarkness

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Can you smack me now zoom? Sorry that I don't go into much detail about what I talk about. I know that they are different types of engines, and figured most people would or should know that.

Even if they do perfect it, no one (except a small percent) will ever be able to afford to buy them, or probably even be able to lease them since they have them at unreal prices. If I had the money I'd probably buy the bugatti veyron instead.

Nothing wrong with non believer's, that is what makes everything interesting when it comes to about anything. Like I said I got to see it to believe it first.