Looks like American cars are top again!
05-27-2005, 05:29 PM
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Looks like American cars are top again!
I wasnt a fan of american cars in the past, but in the last couple of months American auto manufactures are making amazing performance machines!
I was reading up on the spec of the 300 SRT8 and WOW!! zero to 60mph in 4.7 seconds! and the most amazing thing about the SRT is that its able to stop the brakes are just as good as in the rx8! 162ft from 70mph! handling is also great at .89G
So here we have a Luxury car with an automatic that has better performance then most sports cars!
I would also like to point out the new corvette, 500hp and similar torque in a car that weighs as much as an Rx8!
I was reading up on the spec of the 300 SRT8 and WOW!! zero to 60mph in 4.7 seconds! and the most amazing thing about the SRT is that its able to stop the brakes are just as good as in the rx8! 162ft from 70mph! handling is also great at .89G
So here we have a Luxury car with an automatic that has better performance then most sports cars!
I would also like to point out the new corvette, 500hp and similar torque in a car that weighs as much as an Rx8!
05-27-2005, 06:22 PM
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yea america has some pretty sweet machines out there right now..but they've always been on the cutting edge of things...just normaly are really really slow in implementing them or have crapy corporate strategies/marketing (least in my opinion)...ah well.
as a side not those two cars are great..but they are definutly not cheap..but you get what you pay for.
as a side not those two cars are great..but they are definutly not cheap..but you get what you pay for.
05-28-2005, 12:04 PM
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It goes back and forth with different manufactureres and such.
think back ten years to when import cars were the top. IMO
Toyota Supra TT
Mazda Rx7 3rd gen
300zx tt
Mitsubishi 3000gt vr4
But then again think back slightly afterward when european cars got popular
audi s4
bmw m3
bmw m5
kompressor
Now American auto makers are finally making worthwhile performance vehicles but It just makes me wonder what's gonna come next from import manufacturers.
[dreaming] mmm...rx8 with a 3 rotor...[/dreaming]
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think back ten years to when import cars were the top. IMO
Toyota Supra TT
Mazda Rx7 3rd gen
300zx tt
Mitsubishi 3000gt vr4
But then again think back slightly afterward when european cars got popular
audi s4
bmw m3
bmw m5
kompressor
Now American auto makers are finally making worthwhile performance vehicles but It just makes me wonder what's gonna come next from import manufacturers.
[dreaming] mmm...rx8 with a 3 rotor...[/dreaming]
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05-28-2005, 12:24 PM
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With the Renesis port locations you cannot have more than two rotors. More likely would be larger rotors and/or a turbo, though I suppose there could be limitations in that area as well. Not to mention the fact that Mazda likely wants to avoid a gas guzzler tax.
The 300 SRT is a big brute based on my reading (and time behind the wheel of a 300C). I don't care how tight the suspension is, it's going to feel huge. Ride quality is far wore than the RX-8, not to mention any performance sedan from BMW. Finesse ain't what this car's about.
The C6 Corvette is about as balanced as American machinery comes.
As I see it, people whose priorities fit the strengths and weaknesses of the RX-8 won't care much for Detroit's newest, and vice-versa. If you're into impressive test track numbers the RX-8 probably isn't your car unless it's a very curvy low-speed track.
The 300 SRT is a big brute based on my reading (and time behind the wheel of a 300C). I don't care how tight the suspension is, it's going to feel huge. Ride quality is far wore than the RX-8, not to mention any performance sedan from BMW. Finesse ain't what this car's about.
The C6 Corvette is about as balanced as American machinery comes.
As I see it, people whose priorities fit the strengths and weaknesses of the RX-8 won't care much for Detroit's newest, and vice-versa. If you're into impressive test track numbers the RX-8 probably isn't your car unless it's a very curvy low-speed track.
05-30-2005, 12:30 PM
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You do know they already have 3-rotors right? (20b)
and that they've put one in an rx already. I saw it in Modified mag. they turbocharged it and it had 900hp. Now I'm not saying that is realistic for mazda to produce bu they cojld easily design one to put in the car that would be realistic.
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and that they've put one in an rx already. I saw it in Modified mag. they turbocharged it and it had 900hp. Now I'm not saying that is realistic for mazda to produce bu they cojld easily design one to put in the car that would be realistic.
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American Auto manufactures are an animal I simply do not understand at all. They are sooooo slow in responding to the market... and trend setting? you can forget about that altogether.
BUT.. when they finally do come around, they make a product with LOTS of potential that does really well in one area and then they totally f*ck off on the rest of the car and try to play it off with some weak-*** excuse
2005 Mustang (cheap interior materials),
C6 (not much work needed here at all but for that price tag could they have put just a little more effort into the interior. Its an improvement but there is still alot more room for betterment)
SRT4 (why FWD? You changed everything else as far as performance goes, so why not RWD. It would still be one of the best bang for the buck regardless of the price difference RWD would make on this car)
GTO (Oh man this one pisses me off.... you can tell that at a certain point they said "f*ck it... who cares?...lets go grab a beer...its Miller Time")
Charger SRT8..... (blah... a sedan??... dont look like a charger to me at all)
Those are all great cars that could have been much MUCH better, if they had only decided to do a stellar job on the ENTIRE car and put in just a little bit of effort into completing a job PROPERLY
~sigh~
BUT.. when they finally do come around, they make a product with LOTS of potential that does really well in one area and then they totally f*ck off on the rest of the car and try to play it off with some weak-*** excuse
2005 Mustang (cheap interior materials),
C6 (not much work needed here at all but for that price tag could they have put just a little more effort into the interior. Its an improvement but there is still alot more room for betterment)
SRT4 (why FWD? You changed everything else as far as performance goes, so why not RWD. It would still be one of the best bang for the buck regardless of the price difference RWD would make on this car)
GTO (Oh man this one pisses me off.... you can tell that at a certain point they said "f*ck it... who cares?...lets go grab a beer...its Miller Time")
Charger SRT8..... (blah... a sedan??... dont look like a charger to me at all)
Those are all great cars that could have been much MUCH better, if they had only decided to do a stellar job on the ENTIRE car and put in just a little bit of effort into completing a job PROPERLY
~sigh~
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05-30-2005, 08:20 PM
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The American companies are going to be bankrupt in a few years. Yeah there are a few performance based american cars which are great but these cars are like 1% of the market. GM and Ford cant think of a way to beat the Accord/Camry/6. Now the Honda Ridgline will take away a chunk of the biggest sorce of the American Manufacturers profit.
05-30-2005, 11:41 PM
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Well there is no such thing as "American Car Companies" anymore, Ford owns Mazda . . . so I would hope they are not bankrupt in a few years. Chrysler and Mercedes are the same company and I doubt they will be bankrupt either. GM needs to fire every designer they have, and re-fire the last ones they just fired for good measure. Their cars have been the ungliest and cheapest cars on the market for as long as I can remember and that is their problem, but bankrupt, I don't think so. The majority of trucks (believe it or not) are used for work purposes and the Honda is not a work truck, just because you may see more of them on the road, Ford and GM make alot of their money on trucks in fleet sales, there is no such thing as a fleet Ridgline.
05-31-2005, 12:58 PM
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I think it will bevery hard to beat american auto manufacturers in making trucks and large suv's. Especially for work purposes, because a work truck is exactly what american auto manufactures are good at making...a big hunk a metal with a huge engine and lots of torque. Perfect for work, and right up thier alley. :D
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05-31-2005, 01:09 PM
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You do know they already have 3-rotors right? (20b)
and that they've put one in an rx already. I saw it in Modified mag. they turbocharged it and it had 900hp. Now I'm not saying that is realistic for mazda to produce bu they cojld easily design one to put in the car that would be realistic.
Never say never. it's against the law.
and that they've put one in an rx already. I saw it in Modified mag. they turbocharged it and it had 900hp. Now I'm not saying that is realistic for mazda to produce bu they cojld easily design one to put in the car that would be realistic.
Never say never. it's against the law.
05-31-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TODreamer
American Auto manufactures are an animal I simply do not understand at all. They are sooooo slow in responding to the market... and trend setting? you can forget about that altogether.
BUT.. when they finally do come around, they make a product with LOTS of potential that does really well in one area and then they totally f*ck off on the rest of the car and try to play it off with some weak-*** excuse
2005 Mustang (cheap interior materials),
C6 (not much work needed here at all but for that price tag could they have put just a little more effort into the interior. Its an improvement but there is still alot more room for betterment)
SRT4 (why FWD? You changed everything else as far as performance goes, so why not RWD. It would still be one of the best bang for the buck regardless of the price difference RWD would make on this car)
GTO (Oh man this one pisses me off.... you can tell that at a certain point they said "f*ck it... who cares?...lets go grab a beer...its Miller Time")
Charger SRT8..... (blah... a sedan??... dont look like a charger to me at all)
Those are all great cars that could have been much MUCH better, if they had only decided to do a stellar job on the ENTIRE car and put in just a little bit of effort into completing a job PROPERLY
~sigh~
BUT.. when they finally do come around, they make a product with LOTS of potential that does really well in one area and then they totally f*ck off on the rest of the car and try to play it off with some weak-*** excuse
2005 Mustang (cheap interior materials),
C6 (not much work needed here at all but for that price tag could they have put just a little more effort into the interior. Its an improvement but there is still alot more room for betterment)
SRT4 (why FWD? You changed everything else as far as performance goes, so why not RWD. It would still be one of the best bang for the buck regardless of the price difference RWD would make on this car)
GTO (Oh man this one pisses me off.... you can tell that at a certain point they said "f*ck it... who cares?...lets go grab a beer...its Miller Time")
Charger SRT8..... (blah... a sedan??... dont look like a charger to me at all)
Those are all great cars that could have been much MUCH better, if they had only decided to do a stellar job on the ENTIRE car and put in just a little bit of effort into completing a job PROPERLY
~sigh~
RX8: Lack of Low-end Torque (or Fuel economy)
Evo & STi: Not the best-looking vehicles on the road
350z: Heavy
blah blah... not every car is for everyone. The SRT8 is going to be the vehicle it's intended to be. Of course it isn't supposed to be as nimble as an RX-8. It's a freaking full-size sedan. It's a muscle sedan. Simple as that. Pretty much all cars have a single major selling point, a few other strengths and that's it. That's marketing. You pick your target market and then try to hit it.
The 300C is a car that's for people who like big, powerful sedans. That isn't us, but there are a LOT of people out there who love that. The RX-8 is about handling and the uniqueness of the rotary. Etc etc...
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I saw the SRT8 on motortrend..
The brakes squeal
It only comes with summer tires (even though they test drove it with snow banks in the background.
What a crap car,
Nuff said.
The brakes squeal
It only comes with summer tires (even though they test drove it with snow banks in the background.
What a crap car,
Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by guy321
I saw the SRT8 on motortrend..
The breaks squeal
It only comes with summer tires (even though they test drove it with snow banks in the background.
What a crap car,
Nuff said.
The breaks squeal
It only comes with summer tires (even though they test drove it with snow banks in the background.
What a crap car,
Nuff said.
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While I'm not always happy with American car companies (their cheaply built cars), I'm still a fan of that good old American V8.
Corvette LS2 & up and comming 500HP brother
(best bang for the buck sports car in the world)
Dodge Viper (V-10 I know but still a MONSTER)
CTS-V 400HP sadan
SRT-8 430HP sadan
05 Mustang
The only one I miss dearly (not for quality reasons...lol) is the beloved Camaro, SSR...FREAKEN JUNK!!!! I hope they come out with the Camaro and make it a usable 2+2 to kick the Mustang's butt (at least entry level V8 wise...since the Mustang is aiming at the vette now a days) (but that's just a dream if the Cobra comes in at 500HP at 3500lbs it wont touch the vette.
If I was Chevy...what ever power they stick in the Mustang Cobra I would beat it by 100HP to send them a message...get back, this aint no Pony...lol
Corvette LS2 & up and comming 500HP brother
(best bang for the buck sports car in the world)
Dodge Viper (V-10 I know but still a MONSTER)
CTS-V 400HP sadan
SRT-8 430HP sadan
05 Mustang
The only one I miss dearly (not for quality reasons...lol) is the beloved Camaro, SSR...FREAKEN JUNK!!!! I hope they come out with the Camaro and make it a usable 2+2 to kick the Mustang's butt (at least entry level V8 wise...since the Mustang is aiming at the vette now a days) (but that's just a dream if the Cobra comes in at 500HP at 3500lbs it wont touch the vette.
If I was Chevy...what ever power they stick in the Mustang Cobra I would beat it by 100HP to send them a message...get back, this aint no Pony...lol
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They already had a replacement for the Camaro that was the cheap SRT4 Neon thingie...
The Camaro is like a rocket powered coffin, last I heard its the car with the highest death rate, followed closely by Pontiac Firebird, or something, which is... based on the Camaro chassis...
Id rather spend an extra bit of money to get a safer car man...
But I agree with you, I still dont like American cars, except for a few models, and my choice still hasnt changed till now;
Corvette... the BEST American car, period.
FordGT and Mustang... 2 different cars, but they are the perfect example of how to rework a classic, keeping the essence of what makes the last one great yet updating the model, very very few car makers can do that.
The car in itself, the GT is overpriced...
The Mustang, that I will buy in my lifetime, I promise myself that, the icon of muscle cars.
Dodge Viper, rocket powered 18 wheeler... I dont wanna race in this ever.
But I wanna own 1.
Its a great sculpture, a great sound maker, but a crappy car.
But Ill live with that
The Camaro is like a rocket powered coffin, last I heard its the car with the highest death rate, followed closely by Pontiac Firebird, or something, which is... based on the Camaro chassis...
Id rather spend an extra bit of money to get a safer car man...
But I agree with you, I still dont like American cars, except for a few models, and my choice still hasnt changed till now;
Corvette... the BEST American car, period.
FordGT and Mustang... 2 different cars, but they are the perfect example of how to rework a classic, keeping the essence of what makes the last one great yet updating the model, very very few car makers can do that.
The car in itself, the GT is overpriced...
The Mustang, that I will buy in my lifetime, I promise myself that, the icon of muscle cars.
Dodge Viper, rocket powered 18 wheeler... I dont wanna race in this ever.
But I wanna own 1.
Its a great sculpture, a great sound maker, but a crappy car.
But Ill live with that
06-01-2005, 08:23 AM
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??? Last time I heard the Viper was a great handling car...I don't consider it a 18-wheeler???
Ford GT
Chevy Z06 Vette
Dodge Viper
I would love to see a race with those 3 in it...oh mama
06-01-2005, 08:43 AM
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Um....lots of 8s have squeely brakes. And they all come with summer tires
06-01-2005, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by djgiron
GM needs to fire every designer they have, and re-fire the last ones they just fired for good measure. Their cars have been the ugliest and cheapest cars .....
You're suggesting GM's product shortcomings are due to lack of engineering / technical talent. Speaking from ten years of experience at a GM division, I can assure you there is nothing lacking in these areas - it is the management of such areas. For every design like the Aztek that gets out, there are ten superior designs that were nixed because costs did not fit Management's criteria. GM is run by beancounters - has been so for 40 years. No "Car people" are in any authority position (Lutz is proving to be too little too late).