LMP2 Mazda Update?
#176
Originally Posted by bern
A correction on my part...
On the 3-rotor power levels.... I've researched this further and have discovered that the factory 767 LeMans cars were claiming to develop around +480hp from their 13G (3-rotor race motors).
On the '07 announcement update... both are true. New chassis, but from my information, it will not arrive until at least 2 or 3 races into the '07 season, maybe. On the motor, Mazda will run full speed ahead on 3-rotor development, now that they also have the GT program using the same motor. A 4-rotor "might" be an option. We'll have to wait...
From conversations with Mazda folks this weekend, the Courage is scheduled to be at SevenStock-9 at the end of the month.
-Bern
On the 3-rotor power levels.... I've researched this further and have discovered that the factory 767 LeMans cars were claiming to develop around +480hp from their 13G (3-rotor race motors).
On the '07 announcement update... both are true. New chassis, but from my information, it will not arrive until at least 2 or 3 races into the '07 season, maybe. On the motor, Mazda will run full speed ahead on 3-rotor development, now that they also have the GT program using the same motor. A 4-rotor "might" be an option. We'll have to wait...
From conversations with Mazda folks this weekend, the Courage is scheduled to be at SevenStock-9 at the end of the month.
-Bern
#177
Originally Posted by David Haskell
I think the key word there is CLAIMED. It's kind of a moot point because there are no 13G race motors around. Also did those engines have any kind of restrictor?
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Originally Posted by David Haskell
I think the key word there is CLAIMED. It's kind of a moot point because there are no 13G race motors around. Also did those engines have any kind of restrictor?
If the car could lose the weight to get down to minimums and could get 475-480hp, then it would be competitive. It may not be the overall fastest but it would be competitive and that is a good first step in being successful. Mazda must have something up their sleeves. I just can't see them continuing to race in this class in the face of greatly increasing competition if they didn't have something at least competitive planned.
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Just a thought~ Aluminum(light weight) 3 rotor, if they cant reduce the weight of the Courage, reduce the weight of the engine!! haha
Maybe the restriction is cooling, could be the setup of the cooling system, and the chassis as well. Just guessing.
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Honda has a nice setup coming in ALMS which is a hybrid system. It uses a V8 combined with 2 electric motors. Maybe this would be an interesting way to take rotary. As long as it isn't hydrogen. Anything other than that.
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maybe mazda can convince ALMS so they can run unrestricted?
MR. Haskell, I cant wait to see you guys race the entire season, I stop waching rolex when you stop racing the gt car.
In rolex GT what restrictions are you running?
MR. Haskell, I cant wait to see you guys race the entire season, I stop waching rolex when you stop racing the gt car.
In rolex GT what restrictions are you running?
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Honda has a nice setup coming in ALMS which is a hybrid system. It uses a V8 combined with 2 electric motors. Maybe this would be an interesting way to take rotary. As long as it isn't hydrogen. Anything other than that.
#184
Originally Posted by rotarygod
No they didn't have a restrictor plate back then so it is very possible. I can't help but think the current engine couldn't make that much power if in fact the restrictor isn't making any difference as Dennis has stated. This is what confuses me. If it doesn't do anything, why is power so low?
If the car could lose the weight to get down to minimums and could get 475-480hp, then it would be competitive. It may not be the overall fastest but it would be competitive and that is a good first step in being successful. Mazda must have something up their sleeves. I just can't see them continuing to race in this class in the face of greatly increasing competition if they didn't have something at least competitive planned.
If the car could lose the weight to get down to minimums and could get 475-480hp, then it would be competitive. It may not be the overall fastest but it would be competitive and that is a good first step in being successful. Mazda must have something up their sleeves. I just can't see them continuing to race in this class in the face of greatly increasing competition if they didn't have something at least competitive planned.
#185
Originally Posted by rotary crazy
maybe mazda can convince ALMS so they can run unrestricted?
MR. Haskell, I cant wait to see you guys race the entire season, I stop waching rolex when you stop racing the gt car.
In rolex GT what restrictions are you running?
MR. Haskell, I cant wait to see you guys race the entire season, I stop waching rolex when you stop racing the gt car.
In rolex GT what restrictions are you running?
GT Rules state we run a production block, no lightening of components. 3 52mm TB's and maximum 6 injectors. All of the rules for GT are on the Grand-Am website.
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David,
We'll all be cheering you on in any and all of your endeavors. Thank God there are some good people soldiering on. Too bad Mazda Corp (Japan) hasn't shown interest in helping to date.
We'll all be cheering you on in any and all of your endeavors. Thank God there are some good people soldiering on. Too bad Mazda Corp (Japan) hasn't shown interest in helping to date.
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We're 3 weekends away from the annoucement of Mazda's(B-K Motorsports) plan for next year in ALMS.
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Originally Posted by David Haskell
What kind of power do you think they are currently making?
My guess to current power levels based on their speed is somewhere around 380-400 or so.
#190
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Aren't you a driver for Speed Source? Speed Source is building the Courage engine now so I would think that you'd have some insight into it that we wouldn't.
My guess to current power levels based on their speed is somewhere around 380-400 or so.
My guess to current power levels based on their speed is somewhere around 380-400 or so.
Yes I am a driver at SpeedSource. I do know what their engines make for HP. Everyone Involved ar BK and SpeedSource is doing everything we can to make this car more competetive. Making guesses based on speed is counterproductive.
Someone earlier stated a 13G makes 480HP without a restrictor. I don't think they lose 100HP through the restrictor they run.
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David, great to have you in the forum. We had a lot of fun watching you guys race at Laguna in person. Hope to see the # 70 GT car more in the future!!
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Originally Posted by David Haskell
Yes I am a driver at SpeedSource. I do know what their engines make for HP. Everyone Involved ar BK and SpeedSource is doing everything we can to make this car more competetive. Making guesses based on speed is counterproductive.
Someone earlier stated a 13G makes 480HP without a restrictor. I don't think they lose 100HP through the restrictor they run.
Someone earlier stated a 13G makes 480HP without a restrictor. I don't think they lose 100HP through the restrictor they run.
Believe me, I want to see the team get the issues all resolved to be more competitive. I want to see a rotary do good in ALMS. I don't care if the car comes in dead last every time (actually I do!), it'll still be the car I am cheering for!
Thanks for being a part of this forum BTW!
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Believe me, I want to see the team get the issues all resolved to be more competitive. I want to see a rotary do good in ALMS. I don't care if the car comes in dead last every time (actually I do!), it'll still be the car I am cheering for!
Thanks for being a part of this forum BTW!
Thanks for being a part of this forum BTW!
Another thanks to Dave for being on the forum! You rock dude
#199
Originally Posted by David Haskell
Thanks everyone for the encouragement. Hopefully next year will be a good year for the rotary in ALMS and Grand-Am.
Dave
Dave
Are you coming with Sylvain to SevenStock? If so, we'll see you here in Irvine in a few weeks!
Rumor has it Dave is also a great ECU tuner!
-Bern
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Great to have you here to share rotary knowledge, good luck this weekend @ the 6 hr endurance race!
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