BlueEyes

Yeah, I posted it in another thread, but it's badass. I just found out that in Canada, a car 15 years old, or greater, doesn't have to meet or bumper/lights etc standards which usually thwart the importation of cool cars. So, now I could import this...

What the EVO and STi should be!!

moRotorMotor

The ultimate sleeper. This car won so many world championships - it was unstopable in its day.

babylou

Without spares it will be a mistake.

MP3Guy

There are spares available, but you have to get them from Europe. There is a very reliable Lancia aftermarket and parts supplier in England known as Omicron.

Steiner

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Ike

Get a Scorpion instead

AQA101

Certainly one of the "must have owned one once in my life" cars. Get it.

globi

They're not exactly great in the reliability department.
I'd rather get a Mazda 323 GT-R:

Just as fast but more reliable. (I actually did have one and put 230,000 km on it without major issues, then lend it to a co-worker who then crashed it - never lend your car to anybody.)

Ike

Funny you say that's "what the Evo and STi should be", they would absolutely eat the Delta alive on any surface, as would a regular WRX. Hell even a stock STi or Evo would probably give an old group B S4 a run for its money around a tight rally course like you see today in the WRC. They're cool cars and I respect rally history more than anyone, but don't make them out to be something they're not. For those not in the know, the death of Lancia driver Henri Toivonen is in large part what led to group B being being banned in 1986.

If you want the best car that was made as a result of homologation (besides the Sti and Evo of today), it's probably the Ford RS200 or Cosworth Escort.

BlueEyes

I was speaking more to the hatchback, AWD issue. Not that I would want a car made in 2005 to be like a 15 year old car.

BlueEyes

Didn't they sell the Cosworth over here under the name Xarati or something?

EDIT: haha, I was way off!! XR4Ti. Same thing?

Steiner

There's a lot of drivers nowadays still complaining that the death of Group B was a knee-jerk reaction to Toivonen's death. I know he wasn't the first Group B driver to die in a crash, but I wonder if Toivonen had survived the crash would he blame himself or all the power under the hood.

The Ford RS200 was such a badass machine. I think they squeezed something like 700whp out of that little 2.1 liter engine. Unfortunately, in street trim, it may be one of the ugliest cars to ever grace a showroom floor...



But in Rally trim...dayum it was mean...





Ike...Which Audi models were a result of homogolation? I know they've probably had at least a few honorable mentions in the mid 80's..

BlueEyes

Here is a wicked page for WRC photos
http://www.jabbasworld.net/viewtopic...er=asc&start=0
you need to sign in, but it's worth it. Lots of other car pics too.

And, I'm still looking for WRC seasons on DVD if anyone knows where to get them.

Ike

The only homologation car audi had was the Audi Sport Quattro, it was pretty impressive.

http://www.quat.com/sqhome.html

Ike

Not DVD, but this Suby owner does some prettyv good highlight videos.

http://www.rallyvids.com/

Ike

Not the same thing but pretty cool little cars (they were the same as the Ford Sierra). I believe they had the same engine as the 4 cylinder turbo SVO Mustangs of the same era.

nSanity

Lol the Ford RS200 WAS the reason for the banning of group B cars, after it ploughed straight into a wall of spectators.

Ike

That played a part, but it wasn't until Toivonen's death that group B was cancelled. Had Toivonen lived in that crash group b may very well have continued for another year or two. However the banning was inevitable, the group B cars had become insane and many claimed they could out accelerate the F1 cars of the day. In fact Toivonen drove a Delta S4 on the Portuguese Grand Prix circuit and just a result of some hotlaps he would have qualified 6th for the grand prix that same year.

Steiner

I wonder what would happen if they brought Group B back with a 1600cc displacement limit. Could one of these manufacturers manipulate a reliable WRC friendly 500whp+ out of a block that small. IMHO they should have restricted Group B with common sense handicaps rather than put it out to pasture. People loved the "no limts" and out-of-the-box approach manufacturers could use to showcase their cars and their engineering prowess.

Ike

That's essentially what the WRC is today. I'd say the WRC cars are pretty impressive even with all the limitations placed upon them.

Shiri

You are correct to say that they are not reliable, however they are miles faster than the 323 GTR, which is a 7 second car at best (Deltas are anywhere from low 5s to high 5s).

Shiri

Absolutely, the older AWD cars of yesterday cannot compete with the young guns from Japan. They are very brutal cars and difficult to drive.

Steiner

Did it read that right? The Lancia Delta was a low 5 second 1/4 mile car? That at't be right.

globi

I think you mix it up with the 323 GTX which was less powerful. The GTR did definitely not have 7 seconds from 0 to 60mph. The weight to power ratio of the Integrale Evo was 6.2kg/hp and the GTR had 6.3kg/hp, which is not even a 2% difference.

tuj

Um, wait a second. You're saying the current production Evo and the STi would beat the Delta S4 group B car? No way. Certainly not on any surface. Just look at the Pike's Peak times. Even the WRC cars wouldn't beat a group B car on a fast, open course.

I'll concede that the WRC cars would be faster than group B on a modern rally stage due to the fact that the stages have a max allowable average speed of 120 kph. The WRC cars have superior suspension and torque, but the group B cars are 360 kg lighter and have 150+ more hp. But would the current production Evo and STi beat a group B car? I don't think so, even with their superior suspension.