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12-11-2005, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by knight7
if we talk about track performance yeah rwd are better because of the overdriver of the awd, but thats why there is audi... more power to the rear wheels when need it. that would be the only car i would trade my rx8 for a 2005 audi S4 or even better SR4 im sorry but there is nothing better than awd as much as i love my car i never had to worry about snow storms or really f$@# up weather on my Talon, like the guy qwho sold me the car said its a summer car and even winter wheels cant change that fact. that why i gots a WRX for those heavy days.....
12-11-2005, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by knight7
hat would be the only car i would trade my rx8 for a 2005 audi S4 or even better SR4 im sorry but there is nothing better than awd
12-11-2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by YT1300
The Lancer and Impreza roots of the Evo and STI can't be missed even when the drivetrain, suspension, and important interior bits are fabulous. The Evo's plastics are ick, and the STI suffers from entry-level Japanese console design. While not hideous (like, say, a Sunfire), they don't fit the needs of a car that costs at least twice of what the base car does; however, that kind of relatively inexpensive performance comes at a cost.
Or, look at it this way, with 300 HP and AWD, why would you want to listen to the radio?
Or, look at it this way, with 300 HP and AWD, why would you want to listen to the radio?
12-11-2005, 10:09 PM
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yeah i totally agree with most people here. EVO and STI are very well known for their suck *** interior. when i was going to buy an STi, i was so disgusted by the interior. during the test drive session, i could't even hear my CD playing. The engines are hidious loud, and the seats are just BLAH. i don't think that i can drive that car for more than 5 hours a day.
but hay, if i have the money, RX8 daily drive and STi race.
but hay, if i have the money, RX8 daily drive and STi race.
12-11-2005, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotorRX8
no doubt the evo is better performance-wise. but the 8 is just well rounded. the interior of the 8 looks and feel nicer while the evo just feels cheap. but those recaros in the evo are real nice, i got to sit in one at a car show recently, those things are real comfy. next to the seats, theres really nothing nice about the interior, IMO
I know you guys pride yourselves on the 8's well roundedness, but this interior superiority thing is just silly. It’s not entry level, but its certainly not the best available.
Flame suit on!
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12-11-2005, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by knight7
if we talk about track performance yeah rwd are better because of the overdriver of the awd, but thats why there is audi... more power to the rear wheels when need it. that would be the only car i would trade my rx8 for a 2005 audi S4 or even better SR4 im sorry but there is nothing better than awd as much as i love my car i never had to worry about snow storms or really f$@# up weather on my Talon, like the guy qwho sold me the car said its a summer car and even winter wheels cant change that fact. that why i gots a WRX for those heavy days.....
12-11-2005, 10:18 PM
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You know, it really makes me ill to listen to RX8 owners bag on an EVO's interior because it solidifies the perpetual stereotype that RX8 owners are auto-neophites that dont know their *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to cars. Look at the EVO and the STi (STI in '06) for what they are; bad-*** muscle cars of the first century (of the third millenium.) They are equivalent to hemi 'cudas (well, not quite. there are alot more evos) or Plymoth superbirds, or chargers, or Mach1s. They are designed to go fast do it well. They are single-minded.
Mazda achived this singleminded, driver/car oneness, with the RX8 as well. If you continue to be so involved with supporting your own ego to bag on other car's perceived peccadillos, you will never allow yourself to feel comfortable in your own car.
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You know, it really makes me ill to listen to RX8 owners bag on an EVO's interior because it solidifies the perpetual stereotype that RX8 owners are auto-neophites that dont know their *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to cars. Look at the EVO and the STi (STI in '06) for what they are; bad-*** muscle cars of the first century (of the third millenium.) They are equivalent to hemi 'cudas (well, not quite. there are alot more evos) or Plymoth superbirds, or chargers, or Mach1s. They are designed to go fast do it well. They are single-minded.
Mazda achived this singleminded, driver/car oneness, with the RX8 as well. If you continue to be so involved with supporting your own ego to bag on other car's perceived peccadillos, you will never allow yourself to feel comfortable in your own car.
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12-11-2005, 10:31 PM
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I have an Evo, and while, it is GREAT at the track, at some points, I miss a 'true' driving enthusiast car. By that I mean, it is like the difference between watching Shaq slam a basketball, or Jordan (back in the day) drive the lane, shake 3 opponents and then finesse his way to the goal. Yes, both have the same value, but one is less 'artistic'.
Now, I bought the Evo, because I wanted a 'traditional' four door, and I wanted 'boost'. I didn't want an 'neat' interior, I didn't want frilly gauges, I could have cared if it had a stereo at all. HOwever, in case I HAD to, I wanted a car I could put my daughter in, to take her somewhere, and which would still be a GREAT track car.
Well, it is a great car, even with the light amount of mods I have done, coil-overs, sways, strut-braces, down-pipe, intake, tune, ..... ok so maybe I am not as light as I thought, but still the car is a hoot to drive. Basically, it is like playing a game at the track. Drive deeper than you think it can go, and then count to three, and brake.
BUT, at the last event I was at, I drove an equally prepped RX-8, and WOW. I was in sheer heaven. All the performance of my Evo, AND it drove like a sports car should, responded, like it should, did the things, the cars I used to race did. (Thanks again to the Georgia RX8 club for letting me tag along, and to Lego and Phlash for letting me have the pleasure of driving their 8's ontrack) I can assure you, my Evo has secured it's place in my garage, but my next purchase WILL be an RX8 of some variety. I am hoping they decide to boost this thing in a future release, but I will go look in those threads to stay on-topic here.
And for what it's worth, the back seat of the Evo is gone, the cage is in there now.....so, I guess I should have looked to a non-traditional layout to begin with
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Now, I bought the Evo, because I wanted a 'traditional' four door, and I wanted 'boost'. I didn't want an 'neat' interior, I didn't want frilly gauges, I could have cared if it had a stereo at all. HOwever, in case I HAD to, I wanted a car I could put my daughter in, to take her somewhere, and which would still be a GREAT track car.
Well, it is a great car, even with the light amount of mods I have done, coil-overs, sways, strut-braces, down-pipe, intake, tune, ..... ok so maybe I am not as light as I thought, but still the car is a hoot to drive. Basically, it is like playing a game at the track. Drive deeper than you think it can go, and then count to three, and brake.
BUT, at the last event I was at, I drove an equally prepped RX-8, and WOW. I was in sheer heaven. All the performance of my Evo, AND it drove like a sports car should, responded, like it should, did the things, the cars I used to race did. (Thanks again to the Georgia RX8 club for letting me tag along, and to Lego and Phlash for letting me have the pleasure of driving their 8's ontrack) I can assure you, my Evo has secured it's place in my garage, but my next purchase WILL be an RX8 of some variety. I am hoping they decide to boost this thing in a future release, but I will go look in those threads to stay on-topic here.
And for what it's worth, the back seat of the Evo is gone, the cage is in there now.....so, I guess I should have looked to a non-traditional layout to begin with
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12-12-2005, 01:11 AM
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The interior in my Evo looks sweeeeeeeeet at night. :D
This is silly though. I've experienced luxury and it was meh...sorta boring. Until I can afford both I'll always take as much performance as my dollar will allow. That's my first priority. Maybe by 40 that will change, but at 30 I'm still all about muscle above all else. Plus when I need a touch of luxury while behind the wheel I just watch the SPEED channel on my nice leather couches.
This is silly though. I've experienced luxury and it was meh...sorta boring. Until I can afford both I'll always take as much performance as my dollar will allow. That's my first priority. Maybe by 40 that will change, but at 30 I'm still all about muscle above all else. Plus when I need a touch of luxury while behind the wheel I just watch the SPEED channel on my nice leather couches.
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12-12-2005, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by carbonRX8
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You know, it really makes me ill to listen to RX8 owners bag on an EVO's interior because it solidifies the perpetual stereotype that RX8 owners are auto-neophites that dont know their *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to cars. Look at the EVO and the STi (STI in '06) for what they are; bad-*** muscle cars of the first century (of the third millenium.) They are equivalent to hemi 'cudas (well, not quite. there are alot more evos) or Plymoth superbirds, or chargers, or Mach1s. They are designed to go fast do it well. They are single-minded.
Mazda achived this singleminded, driver/car oneness, with the RX8 as well. If you continue to be so involved with supporting your own ego to bag on other car's perceived peccadillos, you will never allow yourself to feel comfortable in your own car.
Gravel ?
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Snow 50:50
You know, it really makes me ill to listen to RX8 owners bag on an EVO's interior because it solidifies the perpetual stereotype that RX8 owners are auto-neophites that dont know their *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to cars. Look at the EVO and the STi (STI in '06) for what they are; bad-*** muscle cars of the first century (of the third millenium.) They are equivalent to hemi 'cudas (well, not quite. there are alot more evos) or Plymoth superbirds, or chargers, or Mach1s. They are designed to go fast do it well. They are single-minded.
Mazda achived this singleminded, driver/car oneness, with the RX8 as well. If you continue to be so involved with supporting your own ego to bag on other car's perceived peccadillos, you will never allow yourself to feel comfortable in your own car.
I agree with a lot of what you had to say! People have a tendancy to crap on someone elses pride in the way they express something not fitting their taste. I am a former Evo owner and the former part is not because I disliked anything about the car but because it met with an untimely demise. I would have purchased another but it was getting me closer and closer to being in trouble due to the way it pulled off the line. I also am a former owner of an FC RX-7 so this wasn't out of the range of cars I like. I personally try not to bash other peoples choice in cars because they take pride in something about it. If I don't like a car I won't say anything or if I do say something it will be along the lines of "it's not my thing" and not resorting to "it's ugly" or "it sucks". I'm not particularly fond of the new Mustang or the 350Z but I challenge anybody in here to find one post in which I bash something about them in such a way to crap on the owner of those cars taste. I think the Evo and the 8 are great cars. Everytime someone bashes the Evo I take some offense the same as I do when someone bashes the 8 because I've had the pleasure of owning both. I know people are going to say what they are going to say but this is just my 2 cents!
12-12-2005, 05:33 AM
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WOW.. i cant believe im on this forum...its times like this that make me wonder why the hell i type www.rx8club.com on my browser..
some you guys are complete idiots...seriously, you drive a F***ing MAZDA RX-8 not a bently(now you can talk about interiors) or ferrari (handling anyone?)
single minded or what???
! if you ever NOTICED or realised the EVO is a rally car... umm lets see rally cars are race cars that dont GIVE 2 ***** about the interior and are worried about ACCELERATION, CORNERING etc... not made to treat its driver with creme de la creme luxury!?
guess what you single-minded peeps:
we drive an underpowered sports car that gets beat by ugly econobox neons that cost half the price of our cars, has gas mileage worse than a viper, and interior quality INFERIOR to a honda!
ill agree on one thng before you handling gurus get on my case, the rx-8s only saviour!
i like my car for what it is, and admit that every other car in its class is far superior in reality and practicality... i dont **** talk about cars that are lower than mine or superior to mine..
whats with some of us who are comparing the rx-8 (a sports car in the $40K CAD) to a $15K civic?????????? seriously..
get off your high horses people.. you dont drive the greatest car in the world...the EVO is a rally car.
the rx-8 is a sports car and sedan in one simple... that remarkably can handle like a sports car...if it wasnt for that the 8 has absolutely nothing going for it.. while the EVO HAS EVERYTHING!!! (and the styling is controversial on both cars so dont bother going there)
some you guys are complete idiots...seriously, you drive a F***ing MAZDA RX-8 not a bently(now you can talk about interiors) or ferrari (handling anyone?)
single minded or what???
! if you ever NOTICED or realised the EVO is a rally car... umm lets see rally cars are race cars that dont GIVE 2 ***** about the interior and are worried about ACCELERATION, CORNERING etc... not made to treat its driver with creme de la creme luxury!?
guess what you single-minded peeps:
we drive an underpowered sports car that gets beat by ugly econobox neons that cost half the price of our cars, has gas mileage worse than a viper, and interior quality INFERIOR to a honda!
ill agree on one thng before you handling gurus get on my case, the rx-8s only saviour!
i like my car for what it is, and admit that every other car in its class is far superior in reality and practicality... i dont **** talk about cars that are lower than mine or superior to mine..
whats with some of us who are comparing the rx-8 (a sports car in the $40K CAD) to a $15K civic?????????? seriously..
get off your high horses people.. you dont drive the greatest car in the world...the EVO is a rally car.
the rx-8 is a sports car and sedan in one simple... that remarkably can handle like a sports car...if it wasnt for that the 8 has absolutely nothing going for it.. while the EVO HAS EVERYTHING!!! (and the styling is controversial on both cars so dont bother going there)
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12-12-2005, 07:51 AM
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The interiors in the sti and evo (and G35 and 350z) suck enough that I wouldn't buy one after a test drive. It would have cost me too much $$ to fix that flaw. Also turbos generally are not the most reliable and AWD is no where near as fun as RWD.
You can throw out neophite insults if you want but if you want speed what are you doing in an econobox? If you want speed you need big displacement first and foremost then a turbo/s.
You can throw out neophite insults if you want but if you want speed what are you doing in an econobox? If you want speed you need big displacement first and foremost then a turbo/s.
12-12-2005, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Umbra
The interiors in the sti and evo (and G35 and 350z) suck enough that I wouldn't buy one after a test drive. It would have cost me too much $$ to fix that flaw. Also turbos generally are not the most reliable and AWD is no where near as fun as RWD.
You can throw out neophite insults if you want but if you want speed what are you doing in an econobox? If you want speed you need big displacement first and foremost then a turbo/s.
You can throw out neophite insults if you want but if you want speed what are you doing in an econobox? If you want speed you need big displacement first and foremost then a turbo/s.
Can someone please explain to me what is so nice about the RX-8 interior? Mine had fantastic leather seats and great gauges, but all of the other stuff was just plastic and ordinary. Everything looked good, but it wasn't any more functional that what my current car has.
12-12-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Umbra
The interiors in the sti and evo (and G35 and 350z) suck enough that I wouldn't buy one after a test drive. It would have cost me too much $$ to fix that flaw. Also turbos generally are not the most reliable and AWD is no where near as fun as RWD.
You can throw out neophite insults if you want but if you want speed what are you doing in an econobox? If you want speed you need big displacement first and foremost then a turbo/s.
You can throw out neophite insults if you want but if you want speed what are you doing in an econobox? If you want speed you need big displacement first and foremost then a turbo/s.
I don't know how familiar you are with the 4G63 but all I have to say is 9 seconds!
http://www.dragsport.com/issue/2004/...er_story.shtml
http://www.advancedclutch.com/racing/sponsored/rau.asp
http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0203tur_darkstar/
Just a few points of reference as to what is in an Evo and why you would consider one "if you want speed"!
12-12-2005, 03:13 PM
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What's so nice about the RX-8 interior? Wtf.. what sort of question is that? Practically EVERYTHING is nicer inside the RX-8. The guages, the steering wheel and volume control, the CD player, the center panel (evo's is nice too though) ...
12-12-2005, 04:10 PM
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! if you ever NOTICED or realised the EVO is a rally car... umm lets see rally cars are race cars that dont GIVE 2 ***** about the interior and are worried about ACCELERATION, CORNERING etc... not made to treat its driver with creme de la creme luxury!?
Fast is no excuse for ugly.
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Originally Posted by Bart!
What's so nice about the RX-8 interior? Wtf.. what sort of question is that? Practically EVERYTHING is nicer inside the RX-8. The guages, the steering wheel and volume control, the CD player, the center panel (evo's is nice too though) ...
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Originally Posted by therm8
Take a stock Evo on a rally course, and say that again. It's an econobox with rally roots. Saying it's a rally car is like saying the S2000 is an F1 car.
Fast is no excuse for ugly.
Fast is no excuse for ugly.
I know 8 owners are in love with the cars looks, heck I was when I owned one, I even defended the car the same way you do (it may not do x, but it looks fantastic doing y). But when you step back from your bias, and look at the cars objectivly, you'll realize your just being ******.
Also to the guy who started this thread! Take the EVO, its a brand new car that cost 35k! If he's going to give it to you for less than a used 8, you would be a fool not to make the deal. Heck, do the deal, sell it, and buy a 2006 RX-8.
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12-12-2005, 05:40 PM
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There's no denying that the EVO and STI look like their respective econobox counterparts, with hood scoops and huge spoilers. This is probably the reason I would never buy one.
I'm not trying to be an RX-8 fanboi, I REALLY REALLY love the performance these cars offer for the price. I've even started a thread about how I wished Subaru would make cars that look better. I'd be the first one to buy one if they did.
I just can't image picking up clients in one of these cars. At least an RX-8 LOOKS like an RX-8, not a Mazda3 with a hood scoop and spoiler.
I'm not trying to be an RX-8 fanboi, I REALLY REALLY love the performance these cars offer for the price. I've even started a thread about how I wished Subaru would make cars that look better. I'd be the first one to buy one if they did.
I just can't image picking up clients in one of these cars. At least an RX-8 LOOKS like an RX-8, not a Mazda3 with a hood scoop and spoiler.
12-12-2005, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
I know 8 owners are in love with the cars looks, heck I was when I owned one, I even defended the car the same way you do (it may not do x, but it looks fantastic doing y). But when you step back from your bias, and look at the cars objectivly, you'll realize your just being ******.
). It is Not a rally car. I can be made into a rally car, but so can just about any other car out there. It is a rally inspired car. I like the Evo/Sti for what they are. But to hear the fanbois tell it, they're the greatest cars ever built.
12-12-2005, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by therm8
I wasn't defending the 8, or bashing the Evo (well except maybe the ugly part, but a rose is a rose ). It is Not a rally car. I can be made into a rally car, but so can just about any other car out there. It is a rally inspired car. I like the Evo/Sti for what they are. But to hear the fanbois tell it, they're the greatest cars ever built.
). It is Not a rally car. I can be made into a rally car, but so can just about any other car out there. It is a rally inspired car. I like the Evo/Sti for what they are. But to hear the fanbois tell it, they're the greatest cars ever built.
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Originally Posted by carbonRX8
I am not trying to be confrontational, but as to the "rally" designation, read January 2006 issue of SSC in the letters section. These cars actually ARE nominal (N-class or Group N) rally cars. Again, just providing info, not trying to be an ***.
12-12-2005, 06:48 PM
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I am not trying to be confrontational, but as to the "rally" designation, read January 2006 issue of SSC in the letters section. These cars actually ARE nominal (N-class or Group N) rally cars. Again, just providing info, not trying to be an ***.
No problem man.
But this is the same reason an S2000 makes a pretty good track car. Race inspired.