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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:24 AM
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It's almost 20 years since Le Mans 1991 787b win ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DBgpAn6GnM



good old days.

and they ban it right after Mazda's win. then they set some "so much for being fair" rules just to give Mazda a hard time.

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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:40 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YFogzI70oY

could listen to that engine all day long
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
and they ban it right after Mazda's win. fair game anyone ?
What the Porsche/BMW/Audi/Mercedes want in racing organizations, they get. Mustn't have low-class upstarts taking home the trophies.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:17 AM
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Very nice find, I have never seen that before.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HiFlite999
What the Porsche/BMW/Audi/Mercedes want in racing organizations, they get. Mustn't have low-class upstarts taking home the trophies.
they're European manufacturers and ACO listen a lot of their opinion...the rules with big advantages for diesels of the pasts years was done for a promised return of Peugeot Sport

Japanese and US must adapt if they want compete.....

Not fair , but what is fair into motorsport?
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:29 AM
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I wonder why whenever I see the 787b on display, they have to blip the throttle like that? Is it because with a low, constant throttle, it will not burn all of the fuel and cause some sort of flooding?
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:34 AM
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it's because it scares the little german drivers to hear that engine.
Intimidation points ftw.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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what a beautiful machine! If and only if Mazda rotaries could get back into the Le mans series again , sigh.....
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 02:16 PM
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I wonder what is Charge and Renown. Are they brands of something?
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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Took these at SevenStock

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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 02:25 PM
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Actually, anything that wasn't a 3.5 V10 was banned. Nissan and Porsche turbos, Jaguar V12s, etc were out.

It was Bernie Eccelstone's grand plan to screw sports car racing and make everyone develop F1 engines so he could fill the F1 grid. By 93 there were less than 10 cars and fewer races in WSC.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by j_tso
Actually, anything that wasn't a 3.5 V10 was banned. Nissan and Porsche turbos, Jaguar V12s, etc were out.

It was Bernie Eccelstone's grand plan to screw sports car racing and make everyone develop F1 engines so he could fill the F1 grid. By 93 there were less than 10 cars and fewer races in WSC.
Yep, so many companies just exit out the race after around 1993.

Le Mans then got much less popular. that's what they deserve.

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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by moRotorMotor
I wonder what is Charge and Renown. Are they brands of something?
they was some brand of clothing (casual style) ....JDM-only products. the company was Osaka-based.

EDIT: still active

http://www.renown.com/english/history/index.html
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MattMPS
they was some brand of clothing (casual style) ....JDM-only products. the company was Osaka-based.

EDIT: still active

http://www.renown.com/english/history/index.html
Interesting! Thanks!...now what is Charge? :P
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
what a beautiful machine! If and only if Mazda rotaries could get back into the Le mans series again , sigh.....
They competed with an FC-looking RX-7 in 1994. 15th place between two NSXs.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-19-074.jpg
And a Speedhunters article

And they had an LMP2 win in 1996 with a 20B Kudzu (I think that's Jim Downing's company)
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-16-020.jpg

I don't see why they don't at least use a rotary in ALMS. It may not be competitive in power but at least it can finish a race. That MZR engine has had numerous mechanical failures.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by moRotorMotor
Interesting! Thanks!...now what is Charge? :P
a brand (not existing i think) of renown company.....

something kind of Japanese Levi's
EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARmQfo8GCg8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVLKuR_mMkA&NR=1

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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 04:19 PM
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Damn, you are good! You have answers for everything!....ok, last question...what is the meaning of life?
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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damn, you are good! You have answers for everything!....ok, last question...what is the meaning of life?
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by j_tso
Actually, anything that wasn't a 3.5 V10 was banned. Nissan and Porsche turbos, Jaguar V12s, etc were out.

It was Bernie Eccelstone's grand plan to screw sports car racing and make everyone develop F1 engines so he could fill the F1 grid. By 93 there were less than 10 cars and fewer races in WSC.
Eccelstone is a real life Montgomery Burns. After reading his bio you would think someone would have shot him by now. He did get mugged and the crap beat out of him so close enough for someone who thinks Hitler was a great leader.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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It's funny. That LeMans winning Mazda bears a striking resemblance to one we have at our race shop.

Paul.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
it's because it scares the little german drivers to hear that engine.
Intimidation points ftw.
Most epic exhaust note ever
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MattMPS
a brand (not existing i think) of renown company.....

something kind of Japanese Levi's

Charge line was a line for men. but for some reason it's a women's line now.

Renown still here and its a pretty big company/corporation in Japan.

http://www.renown.com

http://www.renown.com/brand/ladies/charge/index.html
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by j_tso
They competed with an FC-looking RX-7 in 1994. 15th place between two NSXs.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-19-074.jpg
And a Speedhunters article

And they had an LMP2 win in 1996 with a 20B Kudzu (I think that's Jim Downing's company)
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-16-020.jpg

I don't see why they don't at least use a rotary in ALMS. It may not be competitive in power but at least it can finish a race. That MZR engine has had numerous mechanical failures.
cuz they just BANNED Rotary engine. oh I mean they have "rules" in place and Rotary Engine does not meet those "rules"

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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 12:12 AM
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It's funny. That LeMans winning Mazda bears a striking resemblance to one we have at our race shop.

Paul.
We demand pictures! You can't hold out on us like that.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 12:24 AM
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I really enjoyed those videos again and the sound still gives me chills....
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