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08-30-2005, 10:38 AM
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08-30-2005, 11:51 AM
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09-08-2005, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by djgiron
What is even more interesting is that the IS350 was faster, handled better, had far less problems, was more comfortable and quieter than the 3.
The three had a bigger back seat, the ABS broke, Airbag light came on, AC barely worked and it still won . . . do these guy get kickback from BMW or something?
It's simple; the 3 will continue to beat the little toyota because 1) power isnt everything and that's the IS's only major advantage over the 3, and B) no one has figured out how to make a car in this class anywhere near as fun to drive.
09-08-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
these are all sedans obviously,
8th place Saab 9-3 Aero Manual
7th place Volvo S60R AWD Manual
6th place Cadillac CTS Manual
5th place Audi A4 3.2 Quattro Auto
4th place Acura TL Manual
3rd place Infiniti G35 Manual
2nd Place Lexus IS350 Auto
1st Place BMW 330i Sport Manual no active steering
8th place Saab 9-3 Aero Manual
7th place Volvo S60R AWD Manual
6th place Cadillac CTS Manual
5th place Audi A4 3.2 Quattro Auto
4th place Acura TL Manual
3rd place Infiniti G35 Manual
2nd Place Lexus IS350 Auto
1st Place BMW 330i Sport Manual no active steering
09-08-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8-79
It didnt handle better, which is one of the reasons it will keep playing 2nd fiddle to the 3.
No, they dont get kickbacks. It's simple; the 3 will continue to beat the little toyota because 1) power isnt everything and that's the IS's only major advantage over the 3, and B) no one has figured out how to make a car in this class anywhere near as fun to drive.
No, they dont get kickbacks.
It's simple; the 3 will continue to beat the little toyota because 1) power isnt everything and that's the IS's only major advantage over the 3, and B) no one has figured out how to make a car in this class anywhere near as fun to drive.i think he's referring to slalom and skidpad numbers. Of course handling is subjective which is why the 3 won. interestingly enough the fwd TL pulled faster slalom and skidpad than all of the cars. again, proving that handling is a complicated 'thing' to 'measure'. i agree the 3 is still the benchmark. the fun to drive thing is so intangible, but will say the others pack a lot more 'features' for the price.
09-08-2005, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dinhx8
i think he's referring to slalom and skidpad numbers. Of course handling is subjective which is why the 3 won.
interestingly enough the fwd TL pulled faster slalom and skidpad than all of the cars. again, proving that handling is a complicated 'thing' to 'measure'.
i agree the 3 is still the benchmark. the fun to drive thing is so intangible, but will say the others pack a lot more 'features' for the price.
09-08-2005, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8-79
Regardless, the 3's skidpad and emergency lane change (not slalom) numbers were better, as is its feel obviously since everyone prefers its driving dynamics over the others.
The TL handles like an accord with bigger wheels and slightly stiffer suspension, so this also proves numbers dont mean jack and its all about 'feel'.
Not in the case of the IS. Take a 330i with no options and a 350 with no options: with the 3, you at least get adaptive HID's, sunroof, and premium stereo (all of which is lumped into a big option package on the toyota) for ~1000k difference. They aren't playing the super-saver value game like nissan anymore.
The TL handles like an accord with bigger wheels and slightly stiffer suspension, so this also proves numbers dont mean jack and its all about 'feel'.
Not in the case of the IS. Take a 330i with no options and a 350 with no options: with the 3, you at least get adaptive HID's, sunroof, and premium stereo (all of which is lumped into a big option package on the toyota) for ~1000k difference. They aren't playing the super-saver value game like nissan anymore.
totally, not disagreeing here.
i actually was surprised the IS was 'estimated' at 40K. I have a feeling it will be in the 43s, or so completely loaded, which to me hurts it big time. too hard a price point.I always said that if the IS came out, but was say, TL priced, then it could be a huge hit. But its not quite their yet in terms of knockin the 3 off its throne if its priced in the 40s.
09-09-2005, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
in the C&D $35K sedans comparo
IS350 0-60 = 5.1 seconds
1/4 mile = 13.7 seconds
we are talking M3 territory acceleration here or very close. Im pretty impressed with this 6 spd automatic only sedan.
IS350 0-60 = 5.1 seconds
1/4 mile = 13.7 seconds
we are talking M3 territory acceleration here or very close. Im pretty impressed with this 6 spd automatic only sedan.
I'll give credit where credit is due, but you sound like a die hard Lexus Fanboi.
Don't get me wrong Toyota/Lexus produce very good cars, but they are more luxury than sport, where as BMW is more sport oriented mixed with luxury.
Personally I think that the new IS looks too much like a pimped out Mazda3.
09-09-2005, 07:16 AM
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As I stated, the IS would have won the comparison had the subjective ratings not been thrown in. I own a BMW so I know it is a far more "fun" car to drive, but as far as reliability and quality, it is JUNK!
09-09-2005, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by djgiron
I own a BMW so I know it is a far more "fun" car to drive, but as far as reliability and quality, it is JUNK!
In my experience and my friends', either you have no problems whatsoever or you have nothing but from day 1.
09-09-2005, 12:24 PM
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my dads E46 M3 has had some electrical problems that cost him a lot to fix. The drive train has been very reliable with no problem what so ever. Then again its not his daily driver, so he dosnt really drive it much. I think I drive it more than he does :p. I think bmw is the most reliable brand from germany besides porche, its pretty reliable overall, but not problem free like lexus cars that are the paradigm of reliability. Im just not a fan of lexus because of their floating technology filled coffins, too boring for my taste. IS350 is a step in the right direction but theyve got a lot of work ahead of them
09-09-2005, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by momo
I'll give credit where credit is due, but you sound like a die hard Lexus Fanboi.
Don't get me wrong Toyota/Lexus produce very good cars, but they are more luxury than sport, where as BMW is more sport oriented mixed with luxury.
Personally I think that the new IS looks too much like a pimped out Mazda3.
Don't get me wrong Toyota/Lexus produce very good cars, but they are more luxury than sport, where as BMW is more sport oriented mixed with luxury.
Personally I think that the new IS looks too much like a pimped out Mazda3.
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09-09-2005, 12:44 PM
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speaking of bmw, im waiting for someone to do a g35 coupe 6mt vs bmw 330i 6mt comparison. The 6mt g35's driving dynamic with neutral weight distribution during corning and stiff sport suspention is totally different from the rest of the g35 line in terms of driving dynamics.
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got to drive the new is350 and must say i was impressed. i was looking for the dissapointment in performance like i had in the previous is300. the 6speed paddle shift was pretty cool but the delayed reaction was pretty lame, the car looks 10x better in person than in pictures. all in all fun car to drive, major improvements all around. they are supposed to be working on the delayed shifts, its good to have family who works for toyota corp north america and drive these cars 6 months before they come out. im waiting to get the loaner lexus lfa aka the return of the supra.
09-10-2005, 01:45 AM
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i'm not sure which issue it was in, but automobile mag did an article about status and reliability of germany's automobiles. obviously, the beemer, merc, and porsche all rated highly in status, but all 3 were at or near the bottom as far as reliability and customer satisfaction (including VW/audi). conversely, the major asian brands had lower status ratings, but almost all were rated higher in customer satisfaction and reliability (testing was done by the german version of AAA according to the article).
my question is what is lexus going to produce as it's new flagship engine, being that this new 3.5 6-banger has more hp than it's current 4.3 v8? espescially with honda supposedly upping the ante with a *rumored* v10 for the nsx replacement....
my question is what is lexus going to produce as it's new flagship engine, being that this new 3.5 6-banger has more hp than it's current 4.3 v8? espescially with honda supposedly upping the ante with a *rumored* v10 for the nsx replacement....
09-11-2005, 03:21 PM
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Wow. This IS350 seems like it's a really amazing vehicle. But the BMW must be an even more amazing vehicle. Either that or C&D is strongly biased towards BMW. Why do I say this? Because the BMW came in first even though "The BMW's ABS failed during testing" and they had to use the braking results from their April 2005 roadtest. The car nearly made a 360 spin at 70mph. But does this bother C&D? Nope. Aside from reliability issues with the BMW during the test, the Lexus was in fact TIED with the BMW. It appears they made a math error when they were adding up the points and they gave the BMW one extra point. Don't believe me? Go ahead and do the math for yourself.
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