Ike

The quick steering is wonderful, though I wonder if it can be a little scary day to day it's so responsive... What I really want is an 05 STi, it handles great as well but the steering will never be as fast. The 05 STi had some little tweaks that made a big difference about the few gripes that people had about the car. The tranny and clutch are very very strong in the STi and Subaru really seems to put effort into making things better and adjusting for each model year. The 02 WRX tranny had some issues, they improved on that in the MY03, while Mitsubishi has kept the same shitty clutch in the Evo for 3 model years.

I could go out and get my 05 STi today, but that 100 or so dollars more a month towards my car would be less money I have towards the house I want to buy in the next year. Priorities suck! I could get an Evo and have the same or a lower payment than what I have now and that's where a lot of the temptation is coming from.

Omni, the 8 handles great, but I still feel the STi and Evo are a step above, they're also nice during the midwest winters. If Mazda ever comes out with a factory FI car that isn't inching towards 40k I would certainly consider one. Aftermarket FI on a car just doesn't appeal to me for a daily driver, as soon as you do that it becomes a heavily modded car and I don't care what kind of car it is, that will lead to more problems at some point. If I were to get an RX-8 I don't think I'd consider used (probably the thinking I should have with the Evo). Lastly, the current turbo applications aren't doing much for me, the kind of HP they're putting down can be ecplipsed with me putting about 1k in mods on my car. Not that I'm just doing it for the speed, there is certainly give and take with every car.

shazam

The WRX and EVO are the same thing. An $8000 car with $10,000 worth of go fast crap slapped on. Back in the 80's they were called Camaros. How about you actually get a nice car. They are both the cheapest of econo boxes with some go fast parts. I'm pretty happy people like you exist. It allows for an economic class system where people like me can become financially independant on the backs of the stupid.

Luftwaffle

Dude... These cars are not like Camaros...

Speed-ER doc

Dude, you came from an Audi TT, and you're throwing stones? Har Har Har.

shazam

My wife sure did have one. She loved it. The quality of the car, lack of rattleing, thickness of panels, panel gap, quality, carpet material, plastic grade, leather quality were top notch. The big problem with the car was the legacy suspension geometry that made it handle poorly (golf platform). which was not a concern of my wife. But, this is in no way a cheap car qualit wise. Clearly the Evo and WRX run in fear when a can opener is near by. No matter how fast they are, they are just recycled Kirin cans.

Cars are about compromises. But, you should never just give up on quality. It really defines who you are. A lower class punk that is willing to sit in a trash can to harrass people on the road by street racing.

Ike

I don't think I was clear with my first post, I'd most like end up with a white 05 with 6 miles on it, though the 04 with 5k miles did intrigue me for saving a few grand. But most of your points come across regardless.

I also have no intentions what so ever of keeping the Evo stock should I get one :p When I got my WRX the plan was to gradually work up to 300whp once my warranty was up. If I had an Evo I'd probably have a goal of 450whp or so but could get to that 300whp point much easier and cheaper. I know 300whp WRXs are still pretty good daily drivers and know of one person that put nearly 100k miles on his stage 4 WRX with only having to worry about your basic wear items. The reliabily of a 400+whp Evo and daily driveabilty I'm just not sure on. Either way I'm still tossing caution to the wind when it comes to reliability.

RX-8pilot, the one used one I'd consider is the one with 5k miles, funny thing is all 3 of the used Evos there have brand new all seasons on them Which he tried to point out as a perk, but christ, when you take 2k worth of tires off a car and put $400 a set Continental all seasons I'm thinking they should knock another gand off the price for that alone. I'd also be curious to see what those tires looked like after 5k miles and the sales guy kind of got a little flustered when I asked him if they still had the Advans it came in with.

LNWLF, that's just what I'm trying to figure out... Is this clutch thing blown out of proportion like so many other car problems on the net, or is it a serious concern <shrugs> I have read a few stories of people going through a couple clutches in under 10k miles But then I've also read stories of people going through two trannys in their WRX in less than 40k miles, but I've personally met over 20 WRX owners and not a single one has had to replace a tranny. It can be pretty tough to sift through the BS on the net sometimes.

BlueEyes

A car does not define who you are in the least. People who think that are pretty sorry individuals.

shazam

The car doesn't, but your decisions do. And driving in a fast trash can is a pretty compelling statement.

BlueEyes

Not really. If I see someone driving one of these "trash cans" the only thing I assume , and sometimes incorrectly, is that they enjoy performance cars.

Speed-ER doc

I'm gonna go get some popcorn now.

Ike

Sorry man, I buy cars for how they drive and perform first and foremost, not for their high quality plastic and carpeting. If I want an unreliable, heavy, poor handling, underpowered car made from top notch materials I'll go get myself a TT. I had an A4 parked in my driveway for nearly two years, and it stayed parked quite often because it bored me to tears when I drove it. Mushy clutch, mushy shifter, cushy seat, mushy suspension... You can keep your high quality cars What the hell does street racing have to do with any of this, I had more track time at the age of 12 than you will ever have in your life. I like fast cars because I enjoy them and grew up racing on road courses, it has nothing to do with wanting to show someone up on a public road.

Now would some kind mod like to ban Shift_Zoom 8 again? What is this, like the 7th or 8th time? You're a freaking psycho man.

shazam

This isn't a performance car. It's a modern day camero. I've spent a fair amount of time a Laugna Seca with the BMW club. I've driven Evo's, WRX's (not STI) and one of the club members miatas was much more of a performance driving experience from a feedback perspective. The evo and WRX were sloppy and lack dynamic feedback that a properly engineered high quility car, like my M coupe I still track does. Quit frankly, everything I disliked about my S4 from a performance perspective, is missing in the Evo and WRX as well. They just also happen to be garbage. But, that S4 sure was fast.

There is a difference between a faster trashcan and a performance car.

czr

iTrader: (3)

But he's right a car is sort of a representation of yourself.. like your clothes or the way you present yourself. Out of all the cars out there you have choices...

I like the name IkeSTI myself.

Ike

You've clearly never driven an Evo, and I doubt you've ever driven a car on a track. No one in their right mind would ever say the Evo is sloppy and lacks "dynamic feedback". If in fact you're aren't full of BS, then don't bother going to the track anymore because you're hopeless.

On that note, you're now ignored, just like past incarnations of you have been.

shazam

I'm not whoever the person you are referring to is. You have a lot of nerver thinking that I'm crapping up this place. Believe me, this board would be a lot better without you. I think the planet would be too.

shazam

I'd encourage you to come to the next BMW club event at Laguna Seca. Say Hi. I'm the guy in the Purple Eddie Munster Mobile with the white roll cage.

BlueEyes

No, he is wrong. If you judge someones character by their clothes and their car, it speaks only to your character flaws.

These cars are fun to drive period. That's what they were designed for and that's what they deliver.

shazam

The next time you see a guy in a camero with a neck thicker then his head, make sure you don't judge him. Same thing goes for the kid in the ricer trashcan. Right.... Welcome to the real world.

Ike

In my line of work the people of importance don't even see my car, it's usually thousands of miles away. I don't buy a car to be seen in, nor do any of the people I deal with. I thought that attitude went away once people realized how silly power suits and power lunches were, but I guess some people are still clinging to their Reagan years...

shazam

Dear Sir,

Thank you for financing my high standard of living in Northern and Sourthern, Ca. My vacation property in Kaneoho also is appreciated. If it wasn't for being able to leverage your poor decisicons to my advantage I would not be able to have my high standard of living on your back.

BlueEyes

The real world, what's that?
Is it the place where ignorant people subscribe to popular sterotypes because they're too stupid and lazy to see past appearances? Hey, I live their now. Lot's of people think that way, including yourself, doesn't make it right.

Tirminyl

It's where their judgment is clouded by **** because their head is up their ***.

How a simple thread got turned into a **** stain by some ***.

Luftwaffle

I liked this thread better an hour ago...

BlueEyes

me too, then *SHAZAAAAM* it went all to hell.

Tirminyl

Agreed.

Back On Topic- Keep the Rex man!