nt5k

Also keep in mind that the STI we get is not the same as the one that is flying around the ring. Japan gets one with a much better steering rack (13:1), screaming engine (2l, 8k rpm redline), etc..

It's the same as people comparing the new Evo vs old Evo in overseas rags and people in the US claiming the old one is better. Even though we never got the Evo 8/9 with ayc, etc..

nt5k

To me the thing overrated about the STI in the form we get it in the states is that after spending 34k+ you still have to spend money on suspension, various bushing, brakes, etc to get it to a level of tightness it should have come with from the factory.

As much as I wanted to like it, my test of the STI on a canyon road left me quite disappointed.

alfy28

true, japan and Europe gets the C spec. but even if its not the c spec. i still believe that a regular STI > owns a Regular z at the ring.

alfy28

well it is AWD. i would figure the price on a AWD car would be pretty high vs a FR or FF car

Vlaze

iTrader: (14)

If you go through winter that sees snow a bit, STI. Otherwise, 370Z IMO

Vlaze

iTrader: (14)

Uh, what?! Regretting getting an RX-8 over a speed3? That's like saying regretting dating a model over a tranny. Only legit reason I could see to regretting an RX-8 would be if you wanted the omph factor off the start although it would own the rest in the corners. That and fuel mileage. Other than that, yea.... One should know what they're gonna get in a car before buying it or at least you would think.

Pkskull777

I certainly never said the STi is overrated, but I feel that the EVO is certainly a better car for the price.

Design1stCode2nd

At it's core an STI is still an Impreza, and its a different type of car than an RX8. Stock to stock the RX8 handles much better and the steering input is better. However, you can fix a fair amount of that with just $62 in steering rack bushings and a $100 performance alignment.

Adding things like sways and springs help even more. The thing is you can change stuff about the STI to make it what you want it to be. Plenty of aftermarket for it.

The only things wrong with the RX8 is HP, TQ and MPG. You can fix the HP/TQ to a degree but its going to cost you a hell of alot more than sways/coils and some bushings for the STI and you will still only be on par with your typical stage 1 STI/Evo.

I liked my RX8 for what it was and I like my STI for what it is, I don't really think one is better than the other they are just different. Same goes for the 370, its closer to the 8 than the STI is and if I only needed two seats I'd probably have one by now.

alfy28

did you even read what i put in "( not saying you said that)" i was talking about zumn.

ASH8

WOW and Double WOW...

The Sad thing is so many fall for a deal like this...it is criminal...

lucifuge

I'm in Australia, just out of interest what is the US base prices for a top of the line RX8 and top of the line 370Z and top of the line Sti?

ZumnRx8

The Older Sti's....not this recent new model, are way over rated as in everyone having them and people thinking they are "the car" to have....most teens/young adults who do buy dont even mod them, they just throw a blow off on it and a APEXI or TANABE exhaust like most STI owners do and call it a day. All sounding/looking the same, all this because the price tag being high for an STI and leaving no money for youunger drivers for mods....and yeah they go around talking that they are really fast>? welll duh...boxer engine turbo at that....AWD...front mount intercooler...BREMBO brakes...it better be fast...You see there is nothing to brag about an STI unless you Mod it somehow, but with it already being turbo, and having a front mount, most STI owners just buy a COBB and call it a day...theres no fun in it, and people expect it to be fast. You see now look at if you were to show up somewhere with a SUPERCHARGED or TURBO'd 8, Huge front mount intercooler, all HKS ball bearing....Suspension all under body braces, struts, coilovers, BBK, and ....people will be amazed instead of the boreness they get when they see an STI and go "oh yeah its turbo'd" "yeah duh its pretty fast its turbod" or "yeah everyone has those because they are already turbo'd".....People get excited over STI's (talking about previous models), when STI's are really old News. BEEN THERE DONE MANY TIMES.....ID LIKE to see a 20BT or 13BT outta an FD into a SE3P and be a DD...that would be an eye popper!! compared to the usuall STI....PSsshhhh....and this goes for EVOs as well....

edit: Dont get me wrong EVOS and STIs are great cars in power/handling, but are overated in "the car to have" category.

370z- $45K USD
RX8 (R3)- $32K USD
WRX STI BBS and Navigation package -$39,490 USD+

Pkskull777

ZumnRx8, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Just kidding....but seriously now, why do you think the STi is overrated?

Etr1

if you got a family the STi is the better choice plus its quicker 370Z is over rated

dradon03

I second this note.

Slices of this post were on point. Especially considering the old STI's come with topmounts not front mounts like an FC and that front mount intercoolers suck so having one isn't exactly an advantage.

alfy28

then by your logic, pretty much all japanese cars are overated. even though STI and Evo are known to be awesome time attack cars.

so what your telling me is ppl who buy vettes , M3, and porsche are buying an overated car because they never moded them?

i guess when i go back to okinawa this summer to visit family and friends.
i should tell all my friends that own s15's and s14 and z that they are driving a overated cars, because there is alot of kids who drive those cars and not mod them. except maybe throw in a blow off.

playdoh43

ZumnRX8 makes no sense.

shazy

Zumn,.. Explain why they are overrated properly and please use punctuation so that I can actually read your post...

lucifuge

wtf! the 370Z ($45K) compared to the Rx8 ($32K) is 40% more in cost?? the aussie prices are $67K vs $60K which is only a 12% increase. Something seems weird.

Actually, if the Rx8 is decent buy then the 370Z in Australia must be awesome value;

75kw more power,
152 nm more torque,
5 sec vs 6 sec car,
better fuel economy 10.5 L/100km vs 12.9 L/100km.

subjective - looks, 2 seats vs 4 seats

I really like both cars, but I'd pay more for the Z on balance

alienRX8

zumnrx8 never makes any sense, this is not new haha

Steiner

Good thread. Interesting comparison. Unfortunately you're probably stuck though. Sorry you don't like the looks of the STi hatch. I think I'm in the minority of people who love it. Maybe it's from watching too much WRC. And the 370Z has catchy lines for sure. The Subaru is reliable (at least mine has been) and will outperform the 370Z in performance, tuning, and practicality. Remember that it's also the 1st model year for the 370Z. That may not worry everybody but it gives me pause - regardless of the make or model. That being said, I'd probably jump all over something like that, or possibly a used Zo6 or Porsche, if I was still single and a little younger. Unfortunately 2 doors is too impractical with a family. It's actually inconvenient and, according to my wife, selfish too. Obviously I lost that argument.

There is light at the end of the tunnel though if it's sincerely the STi's looks that have you looking. Evidently we are going to see an STi sedan again in the next few years. Maybe that would be a better trade?

EDIT: Don't get the Evo X. Too damn heavy. Dare I say the new STi is more "Evo" than the new Evo. Hard to explain but I think you'd be disappointed based on my significant seat time behind an Evo VIII, and admittedly sparse seat behind the wheel of an Evo X and a GR chassis STi. The new Evo has some really cool drivetrain technology but you never quite forget it's 3500lbs+. It feels heavy.

It's all in the setup. There's no disconnect on a properly setup STi or Evo. They are communicative and light with tremendous handling potential depending on the depths of your pocket book. Point and shoot, plug and play, grip it n' rip it...whatever you want to call it...sign me up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU4qf...eature=related

Moostafa29

I'm a bit biased, but I gotta say Evo X, lol. I'm really starting to like that 370 though. After seeing it in person, I'm totally loving it. I want to test it and see how it feels, but I'm afraid what may happen.

dos

zumnrx8 you forgot a few ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I tried to read the first sentence then woke up on the floor in convulsions.

dynamho

8:40 or so is my guess.

delhi

unpossible. The rx-8 would've ran out of gas mid-way down the 'Ring!