GM aint doing so bad...
08-07-2006, 05:53 AM
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GM aint doing so bad...
These are quality winners per car segment...
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....tentid=4020223
I think GM is headed in the right direction, Ford is pretty sluggish right now and like I said before seem to be pretty far back vs GM.
GM needs to keep up the good work, and Ford needs to bring in some of their concepts and bring over the cars that apparently us American's don't want to buy????
My vote, the Isosisisisisis (lol....something like that and I keep forgetting it's name)
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....tentid=4020223
I think GM is headed in the right direction, Ford is pretty sluggish right now and like I said before seem to be pretty far back vs GM.
GM needs to keep up the good work, and Ford needs to bring in some of their concepts and bring over the cars that apparently us American's don't want to buy????
My vote, the Isosisisisisis (lol....something like that and I keep forgetting it's name)
08-07-2006, 05:30 PM
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Definately very good news. You'll have your naysayers simply because GM took 1st in the most categories (can't be true), but all in all I'd say that your standard, cookie-cutter sedan from Japan is losing its appeal (slowly, but losing it). The interior quality gap is narrowing as GM replaces obsolete models with the new ones. Visual appeal is much improved. And reliability is fairly equal across the board (even if perception of it is not). I predict a profitable quarter in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2008, and it'll only get better from there.
Ford suffers from the "bad image" much worse than GM, unfortunately for them. I like the Fusion, Milan and Zephyr, and hope they continue along those lines. They really need to take a hard look at their Euro division and apply some of the models here. Ford Europe does well. They can't cut and paste, due to cultural differences, but some of those models would do well here (particularly if they come with the Euro image, since moronic consumers here assume anything from Europe must be good, whether it's hand creams or vehicles).
Ford suffers from the "bad image" much worse than GM, unfortunately for them. I like the Fusion, Milan and Zephyr, and hope they continue along those lines. They really need to take a hard look at their Euro division and apply some of the models here. Ford Europe does well. They can't cut and paste, due to cultural differences, but some of those models would do well here (particularly if they come with the Euro image, since moronic consumers here assume anything from Europe must be good, whether it's hand creams or vehicles).
08-07-2006, 10:19 PM
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How dare you speak well of an American car company! Your praise automatically invalidates anything you say now or in the future on any conceivable topic!
Seriously, American car companies make some excellent products. Unfortunately, they often make missteps in marketing those products (e.g., Ford Thunderbird) and they often stick with market segments when those segments begin to fade (e.g., the SUV). Timing is not their strength.
But, I see many positive signs. The Solstice and Sky are good first efforts in the roadster category, although they won't be taken seriously until the more energetic versions are released (and they very much need to rethink the soft-top mechanism). Pontiac is finally moving away from the gray-putty ***** (how LONG have they inflicted aesthetic torture with those things?) and ugly body cladding (the hardtop-retractable G6 is pretty cool). The current Corvette is probably the best in a very long time. The Mustang captured well the retro styling of the early models for today's consumer. Nothing on the road today looks like a Cadillac, and they've managed to infuse each vehicle with a similar look even when the vehicles themselves are much different. The HEMI engines have been well received, and the Chrysler/Dodge nameplates are putting out some interesting vehicles. And, the American cars have fewer quality issues than the European vehicles (although still behind the Japanese).
I'd like to see the American car companies succeed. Of course, there's so much cross-ownership nowadays, it's hard to figure out what belongs to whom.
Seriously, American car companies make some excellent products. Unfortunately, they often make missteps in marketing those products (e.g., Ford Thunderbird) and they often stick with market segments when those segments begin to fade (e.g., the SUV). Timing is not their strength.
But, I see many positive signs. The Solstice and Sky are good first efforts in the roadster category, although they won't be taken seriously until the more energetic versions are released (and they very much need to rethink the soft-top mechanism). Pontiac is finally moving away from the gray-putty ***** (how LONG have they inflicted aesthetic torture with those things?) and ugly body cladding (the hardtop-retractable G6 is pretty cool). The current Corvette is probably the best in a very long time. The Mustang captured well the retro styling of the early models for today's consumer. Nothing on the road today looks like a Cadillac, and they've managed to infuse each vehicle with a similar look even when the vehicles themselves are much different. The HEMI engines have been well received, and the Chrysler/Dodge nameplates are putting out some interesting vehicles. And, the American cars have fewer quality issues than the European vehicles (although still behind the Japanese).
I'd like to see the American car companies succeed. Of course, there's so much cross-ownership nowadays, it's hard to figure out what belongs to whom.
08-08-2006, 07:27 AM
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I'm not hating, but that list looks a lil fishy at best. Anywho, that doesn't speak for how well the vehicles are being sold. I know for a fact that the Nissan Armada has ranked very low, it had more than its fair share of problems. So much that NissanJp sent their own engineers to try to figure what the heck was going on.
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08-08-2006, 08:39 AM
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^fishy....why O why would they lie about that? Anyway...
I think it's a good sign, in the least, and frankly I wouldn't mind getting the Saturn Aura for my wife when her 6 goes to heaven.
I think it's a good sign, in the least, and frankly I wouldn't mind getting the Saturn Aura for my wife when her 6 goes to heaven.
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I wish nothing but the best for the American auto industry but I think that their focus is still wrong. Note how Honda and Toyota offer several hybrid cars that not only return great gas mileage but handle well. Meanwhile GM attempts to offer a hybrid 1/2 ton pick-up? This is such an obvious attempt to patch the bleeding and it won't work.
I do admire GM for making Cadillac cool again and appealing to those under 60. Ford should either do the same for Lincoln or fold up the brand. Lincoln is at least 7 years behind Cadillac.
I'm not bashing Ford, I own two Fords (old Broncos) and just sold my Expedition. I also own stock in Ford and therefore need them to do well.
I do admire GM for making Cadillac cool again and appealing to those under 60. Ford should either do the same for Lincoln or fold up the brand. Lincoln is at least 7 years behind Cadillac.
I'm not bashing Ford, I own two Fords (old Broncos) and just sold my Expedition. I also own stock in Ford and therefore need them to do well.
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As mentioned in a recent major car magazine... Ford should really look at bringing over one of their foreign models... from Australia or Europe. I particularly like the idea of getting the turbo I-6 or V8 sedan from Australia. Bring them over in limited quantities and market them as being from foreign branches of Ford... that'll at least get people's attention.
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