RX8-79

Yeah, hate a self-made billionaire who's generous, helps people everyday, hasn't done a thing to hurt the community, and is a positive role model to MANY.

REAL obnoxious people worth hating are ******** like Gates or Trump, or a certain idiot hick named after something dogs **** on that's likely going to ruin the U.S. before he moves his country *** back to the ranch.

BlueEyes

Hey man, I 'm not putting down the good she does, I am happy there are people like her out there. I just cannot stand to watch her do it, she is too annoying.

Gates is pretty generous too by the by.

RPIRX-8

And you are basing this on what criteria? Windows is one of the great technological feats there is. Being able to run an OS on just about any hardware out there and have it work out of the box is quite amazing. Not to mention when something breaks, you have someone to call for support.

I can't stand people who dislike Windows because its the "cool" thing to do.

Now, back to the G6. Among all of its problems, the pricing is the most suspect to me. With a loaded one coming in at north of $24k, you are now competing with a whole lot of cars the G6 has no business competing with. (RSX Type S, Nissan Altima, Mitsu Eclipse, etc). This car needs to be closer to $20k with option to be less than 20.

Gambit

Yeah, Bill Gates is pretty good...we can all hate Donald Trump though

BlueEyes

I think it is priced appropriately. A fully loaded camry comes in a nod over 25K, and you can get it as low as 19K. That's the typical family appliance car pricing.

ms292399

I actually was thinking about buying one when they first came out. I test drove one and everything, i really liked the performance and handling, and looks. The major problem i had was with the interior, it was way to bland for me. The giant sunroof is a really nice touch, i wish more cars had an option like that, but i think it was like a $3000 option, which is a bit pricey.
Overall, i think its a nice car, just not nice enough for the price. I payed less for my 8 with gt package, than i would have paid for a g6 with that sunroof. I do agree that once the new styles come out it will sell a bit better, everyone is judging it way to quickly, it has only been out since late october. I've been told that all car sales are way down from this time last year.

RX8-79

I just dont get why you never hear people complaining about the Camry, Accord, Altima, and now Legacy being right at or over $30k in some cases, but don't dare price a domestic over $24k. It's that mentality that's going to stomp out GM and Ford's sedans and have them selling nothing but SUV's.

BlueEyes

As I mentioned, I don't think the 24k sticker for the top of the line G6 is steep at all. The problem is, how many average car buyers do you really think care how much power their family car has? or how good the handling is? they don't. It's a stupid way to sell a family sedan. Toyota is number one because they offer a safe, reliable, comfortable package. That's what the camry is known for and 9 times out of 10, that's what a family sedan buyer is looking for.

I have, and will continue to have, the mentality that a family sedan is a family sedan, and a sports car is a sports car. I will never understand the appeal of an Altima. Hooray, it has 260 hp, BFD, it's for going to the grocery store and taking the family to hockey practice. What do you need that for, and why would I pay more for that engine at the expense of fit, finish and comfort, and arugably reliability, when I am simply using it for commuting. IMO, sportiness is not the way to sell a family sedan.

Rhawb

Blueeyes, I agree with everything you said except that I believe there is a place for sport in family sedans. Just look at BMWs. They wouldn't be half as popular if they did offer a quality family sedan in a taught, sporty package. GM is just getting ahead of itself by putting the performance in FIRST and ignoring everything else people look for in a family sedan.

BlueEyes

I agree about the BMW's. I would love a M5 or any 5 series for that matter. But, they are far more expensive than the average family can afford and BMW gives you a total package, like you said, unlike what GM is offering.

Rhawb

Well, the 3 series starts at about 26 grand, which isn't terribly expensive for the average family (well, at least around these parts). Provided, everything is a-la-carte with BMWs, so you don't get a whole lot for that 26 grand as compared to other cars in its class (manual transmission, no power seats, etc.), but they've proven that you can sell a family sedan based on the "sporty" concept.

spork

Maybe there's no complaints because those cars are nothing near $30K.

Base model prices:

Accord: ~14.5K
Camry: ~15.5K
Altima: ~17K
Legacy: ~20K

If you start going for the higher quality models, obviously they get more expensive but I don't see how any of those are going to be around $30K...

$30K sedans are more like the Maxima, Lexus ES300, Acura TL...

BlueEyes

You have to wonder how much of that is selling because it's sporty and how much is selling because its a BMW though. I would never by a base 3 series. Again though, the reliability, I would think, kills that car with the average joe.

RX8-79

Kills me how people talk when they clearly have no clue what they're talking about.

Obviously. But maybe you need to SEE for yourself that the loaded models are near and over $30k;
Accord EX V-6-$29,365 with Satellite-Linked Navigation System™
Altima SL-$30,830 with NAV, side airbag package, Sirius radio
Altima SE-R-$31,080 with auto, side airbag package and Sirius radio
Camry XLE-$29,654 with NAV/JBL, stability control, side airbag package, etc.
Legacy GT-Ltd-$30,370 with 5-sp. auto

therm8

Yep, and buy a base model of any of those, cept maybe the legacy (don't know much about them) and you get a generally low grade interior and amenities that make them nothing special in my mind. But the general public thinks highly of them and therefore resale value is going to be higher, which is a big issue with consumers. Even if domestic carmakers topped the reliability and initial quality ratings for the next 10 years, the 'domestic is junk' mentality would still haunt them. It's hard to get rid of a bad image. Just look at Hyundai.

m477

Maybe they should change the slogan to "Last ever G6"?