Ford GT vs. Corvette C6 Z06
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Originally Posted by BlueSky
^^^Escape Hybrid? Focus?
Anyways, all I'm saying is that there are more powerful and faster cars out there that make better gas mileage than the Ford. So the GT is obviously very unrefined.
Anyways, all I'm saying is that there are more powerful and faster cars out there that make better gas mileage than the Ford. So the GT is obviously very unrefined.
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Originally Posted by Sigma
For one, I fail to see the logic in Bad Mileage == Unrefined. By that logic a Corolla must be twice as refined as an RX-8.
Secondly, the GT does not get bad mileage. It actually gets pretty good mileage for the type of car that it is, better than either the F430 or the Zonda. It's "problem" is that it's fuel tank is significantly smaller than what is usually found on "refined" exotics. Grand Touring cars like the F430 can hold 25-35 gallons (the F430 holds 25). More race-oriented vehicles hold closer to 20 (like the Zonda). But the GT only holds 17.
Secondly, the GT does not get bad mileage. It actually gets pretty good mileage for the type of car that it is, better than either the F430 or the Zonda. It's "problem" is that it's fuel tank is significantly smaller than what is usually found on "refined" exotics. Grand Touring cars like the F430 can hold 25-35 gallons (the F430 holds 25). More race-oriented vehicles hold closer to 20 (like the Zonda). But the GT only holds 17.
I'm not talking about range, I'm talking about MPG. Clarkson got something around 3-5mpg on that episode with the GT. At the end of the season they named the GT the worst gas guzzler they had tested.
For the amount of power it makes and the size of its engine, it should get more MPG than that. Cars like the 911 Turbo and the F430 are just as fast and get decent gas mileage with the Turbo actually getting better than a RX-8. The ZO6 also gets much much better gas mileage than the GT.
Gas mileage is just one issue with the car. For anything other than occasional weekend driving, the GT blows. Look at the stupid design of its doors. You need tons of space on either side of the car for the driver or passenger to get out. The interior is chintzy and third-class. The only thing this car has going for it is the looks. That's the only reason anyone would buy this car, otherwise there are plenty of better alternatives.
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Originally Posted by BlueSky
I'm not talking about range, I'm talking about MPG. Clarkson got something around 3-5mpg on that episode with the GT. At the end of the season they named the GT the worst gas guzzler they had tested.
For the amount of power it makes and the size of its engine, it should get more MPG than that. Cars like the 911 Turbo and the F430 are just as fast and get decent gas mileage with the Turbo actually getting better than a RX-8. The ZO6 also gets much much better gas mileage than the GT.
Gas mileage is just one issue with the car. For anything other than occasional weekend driving, the GT blows. Look at the stupid design of its doors. You need tons of space on either side of the car for the driver or passenger to get out. The interior is chintzy and third-class. The only thing this car has going for it is the looks. That's the only reason anyone would buy this car, otherwise there are plenty of better alternatives.
For the amount of power it makes and the size of its engine, it should get more MPG than that. Cars like the 911 Turbo and the F430 are just as fast and get decent gas mileage with the Turbo actually getting better than a RX-8. The ZO6 also gets much much better gas mileage than the GT.
Gas mileage is just one issue with the car. For anything other than occasional weekend driving, the GT blows. Look at the stupid design of its doors. You need tons of space on either side of the car for the driver or passenger to get out. The interior is chintzy and third-class. The only thing this car has going for it is the looks. That's the only reason anyone would buy this car, otherwise there are plenty of better alternatives.
If it had doors designed any other way, it wouldn't be true to the GT-40 history.
I wont argue with you on the interior. It's ford and that's that. I wouldnt park it next to anyone anyway so if I was going to get out of it, it'd be in my garage or in special parking where no one could park next to me anyway.
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This is a tough one. It's incredible that the Vette can keep up or beat cars twice/triple it's price.
That being said, the GT is much more exclusive.
That being said, the GT is much more exclusive.
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I'm not talking about range, I'm talking about MPG. Clarkson got something around 3-5mpg on that episode with the GT. At the end of the season they named the GT the worst gas guzzler they had tested.
You couldn't make a GT get 3-5mpg running full out around a track let alone cruising down the freeway like they did on that episode. The GT is rated for 14/21, significantly better than either the Zonda or the F430.
Are you gonna tell me that it got 1/7th of its' EPA rating simply because, in a parody sketch, it placed lower than the Bugatti Veyron at full clip? They never even said what its' mileage was; you assume since it "won" first place it must have been worse than the Bugatti (a virtual physical impossibility BTW). But, really, it wasn't even one of the Top 3 choices for "Winner" of mileage they listed the worst 3 (one of which was an oil fire, not even a car, the others were the Range Rover and the Veyron), and then declared the "winner" the GT which wasn't even in the running because Clarkson had to stop so much in that one episode because it was funny. Kinda like how in the "Ugly Car" one they listed a bunch of ugly Chinese cars that were in the running for first place, then all of a sudden declared the 3-Series the ugliest because it was funny.
It's what they do. They list a bunch of cars (or sometimes not even cars) that are in the running for a category. Then throw out a curveball as the "winner" because it's funny.
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Well the 3-series is the ugliest car I've seen in a while.
Did some looking around, and you are right, their gas mileage of 3mpg is ridiculously low. Edmunds got 14mpg as their worst during their long-term test.
I retract my MPG statements.
Still, it's just not the car I would buy for that money.
Did some looking around, and you are right, their gas mileage of 3mpg is ridiculously low. Edmunds got 14mpg as their worst during their long-term test.
I retract my MPG statements.
Still, it's just not the car I would buy for that money.
#34
Originally Posted by Ajax
That's a strange comparison.
They're comparing a 505 horspepower (65-80k) sportscar to a 550 horsepower 150-225k supercar and they're only comparing them in straight line performance.. with 2 different drivers..
The Z06 is 200lbs lighter than the GT so 45 horsies may or may not make a big difference...
But seriously, both of those cars were designed to HANDLE, not just go straight. I'd love to see their lap times around a track compared.
The Z06 is, hands down, the best bang for the buck when it comes to power per dollar, but I must say, if money was no object, I'd take the GT everytime, just because there's no car quite like it on the road. Vettes are all over, but the GT is closer to a ferrari in that, you wont see too many of them and you definitely will look twice.
They're comparing a 505 horspepower (65-80k) sportscar to a 550 horsepower 150-225k supercar and they're only comparing them in straight line performance.. with 2 different drivers..
The Z06 is 200lbs lighter than the GT so 45 horsies may or may not make a big difference...
But seriously, both of those cars were designed to HANDLE, not just go straight. I'd love to see their lap times around a track compared.
The Z06 is, hands down, the best bang for the buck when it comes to power per dollar, but I must say, if money was no object, I'd take the GT everytime, just because there's no car quite like it on the road. Vettes are all over, but the GT is closer to a ferrari in that, you wont see too many of them and you definitely will look twice.
Chiming in a bit late but I agree 100%. This made me think of the rx8 vs the FD rX7, but only in regards to the end to this statement. When I see an FD RX7 I look twice, and I can't stop looking at it. When I see an rx8, I only look once, because I see that car often now, and I've owned one. There's something about exclusivity that draws many of us in. With the GT, you have that truly rare supercar status that goes beyond performance, so I suppose performance is the only true way to compare these cars. Regardless, by human nature we look at price tags, and you can't compare these cars regardless of their performance similarities, because one is a true supercar, the other is an incredible sports car that really performs far beyond it's price tag. Of course I can't afford either of these cars, but at least realistically I could afford the Z06 at some point in time, so it has more of a realistic feeling to it, and the GT has more of a dreamland feeling.
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Originally Posted by 4 years to Supercharge
Didn't they say that full out the Veyron will empty the "petrol" tank in less than 11 or 12 minutes?
Imagine having to fill the tank that often...
Imagine having to fill the tank that often...
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Originally Posted by bascho
And in those 12 minutes you've traveled 50 miles
Is that accurate though? 50 miles? Holy crap that's got to be like an 8 gallon tank or something.
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Gas tank is over 26 gallons!
It also consumes more fuel than any other production car, using 40.4 L/100 km (4.82 mpg) in city driving and 24.1 L/100 km (10 mpg) in combined cycle. At full-throttle, it uses more than 125 L/100 km (2.1 mpg)—at full throttle, the Veyron would empty its 100 L fuel tank in just 12.5 minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron_16.4
It also consumes more fuel than any other production car, using 40.4 L/100 km (4.82 mpg) in city driving and 24.1 L/100 km (10 mpg) in combined cycle. At full-throttle, it uses more than 125 L/100 km (2.1 mpg)—at full throttle, the Veyron would empty its 100 L fuel tank in just 12.5 minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron_16.4
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Unfortunately, there aren't too many places where you could drive a Veyron flat out for 12 minutes... hell, not too many places where you can drive it flat out at top speed for 12 seconds before having to rein it in...
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If I wanted pure exclusivity and for collective purposes I'd buy the GT, but having been a Chevy boy all my life (just recently sold my 03 Silverado, ...) I'd probably buy the Z06 because you could line up to the poor sap in the GT and laugh all the way to the bank as you hang with him through the track. Think of all the other nice things you could have with the 50 grand you saved!
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Wut da F Y'all lookin' @!
Add another to the Z06 camp! Maybe I'm a little bit strange but even if money was no object I like that the Z06 can match the Ford GT and I'm always enticed by more for less. I will also be honest enough to say I have a little bit of a GM bias!
Now if only GM finds it in their hearts to produce the Corvette SS (Blue Devil), I don't think the term "just another Corvette" can ever apply to this one!
Now if only GM finds it in their hearts to produce the Corvette SS (Blue Devil), I don't think the term "just another Corvette" can ever apply to this one!
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Originally Posted by CAM427R
If I wanted pure exclusivity and for collective purposes I'd buy the GT, but having been a Chevy boy all my life (just recently sold my 03 Silverado, ...) I'd probably buy the Z06 because you could line up to the poor sap in the GT and laugh all the way to the bank as you hang with him through the track. Think of all the other nice things you could have with the 50 grand you saved!
Cars like this are as much emotional purchases as rational ones, and the exclusivity and style of the GT is as much of an emotional draw as anything. If I had the money for a GT, the Corvette woudn't even be a choice, no matter how good a performer it is. BOTH of them perform better than anyone needs.
But this one just is more seductive...
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I was at Pocono Raceway last weekend for an HPDE and this Ford GT was in another group, along with many C6 Z06’s. The Z06’s where much faster than the GT. But I think that was because the owner of the GT was more concerned about scratches etc and didn’t drive the car to it’s potential while the Z06’s where driving hard. I saw the GT pull into the pits a few times to fix the tape that was all over the car. I guess it takes some nerve to drive a $150,000 car hard. I do have to say the GT looks great up close; it was the best looking car there. The thing I didn’t know was how close to your head the Super Charger pulley is. If you want to see what else was there PDA has a , Pocono link in the upper right. Photo Gallery
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