raji

here's what i don't get...

people's taxes pay for roads and cops. These same people own their own car. The only thing that's a privilege is the license. Everything else belongs to the people. Shouldn't that mean we get to do whatever we want? :D

Cattywampus

Yes. But, government sucks and it's technically not our road to drive on. We are just forced to pay to have a road. They say we pave it and make it safe for people, cops just enforce our rules to keep it that way They also say it's a privelege to have a license but they don't have to give it you.

raji

i know you're right, i just wanted to throw some gasoline on the (dying) fire :D

Cattywampus

LOL. This is going to need a lot of gas for this thread now.

jaguargod

That has to do with the judges, not the legislature. The judges have the discretion to give the maximum punishment, or decide to give them probation again and again. I know because my wife is a probation officer, and that is part of the reason she is changing careers. Bleeding heart judges undermine the law every day.

Cattywampus

Very very true.

GotZoom

This post is useless without pictures.

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Seriously, they need to treat "street racing" like any other "crime"; i.e., drunk driving, etc.

1. Arrest, charge, and fine the hell out of the offender. What will they do with the street racer's car? Auction it? Real smart.

Hit people where it hurts - in the wallet. Points onthe driver's license. If they have no money, and no license, they shouldn't be able to drive. If they are caught driving without a license, that falls into an entirely different category.

2. Same with drunk drivers. The whole subject of punishment for drunk drivers is ridiculous. Someone posted earlier that they knew someone who had 6 D.U.I.s. WTF?

The police do their job - most of the time. They write the tickets/arrest the offenders.

If the rest of the legal system would do their job, there wouldn't be these problems. Judges, DAs, etc. No plea bargining, no second chances for some crimes.

Thetitanium8

lol

Cattywampus

Would like to work with me. It's fun. :D nice post

Morgan

so now this has been put to the test...i got a phone call tonight (since i missed the meeting being @ the hospital) from a club i'm in...two of the memebers got caught street racing, were handcuffed in the backseat...they ended up being let go with a ticket and a court date...and their cars were sent home with them...

fla evidently isn't good at following new laws. lol

Cattywampus

Because like I have said all a long. Certian ''rules'' have to be met for a car to be confisicated. They aren't just going to take every car that is caught speeding with another car. Some are never followed :p

REXNdBst

Dang I had a lot of things on my mind and after reading so many post I forgot a lot of them haha.

Well I think that maybe street racing laws are more severe than DUI's maybe it's because there's no company big enough (aftermarket companies) that lobbies and put pressure on the legislature like those big alcohol and drug companies can.

As far as violence going on in the illegal street race scene ya I've seen that happen, but the one's that starts them are those soar losers and those wannabe gangsters who doesn't like the fact that they lose. Violence can happen anywhere you see fights in Bars heck even a Peewee football game.

I haven't been going to those illegal street racing for years now but I do remember San Diego tried to have an organized street race at night and I heard it was a success but I'm not sure if they are still doing that.

As far as cops targeting a certain group ya I believe that. When I was 17 I used to get pulled over a lot, one time I got pulled over 3 times in a matter of 1 1/2 hours, I was on my way to drop off my tux and my eclipse at that time was bone stock not speeding at all, got stop w no ticket and on my way home same thing bs talk no ticket and the 3rd time when I was goin in my drive way cop said I didn't signal (to my drive way?)

The other time was when I was in Newport Beach I was cruzin and I knew their were a lot of cops that night so I obeyed the law and cops in an SUV pulled me over and asked if they could search my car I said sure. I got out of the car and search me and my car and they were saying that I match a desciption of a suspect they were looking for. So I guess that totally justified what they did. But what I didn't understand was why did they have to hancuped me and they were both laughing after they let me go. They just gave me bs fixed it ticket like exhaust and no front plates.

If I would have known what I know now I would have at least talked to a lawyer and see what they can do to those cops, I don't want to make money, but I just want those cops fired.

Crazy Rx-8 Driver

The most BS reason ever to get pulled over... i was in my Honda Accord coupe with a SS exhaust system... the police officer pulled me over and said i had too shiney of ane exhaust that i should paint it mat-black and he gave me a ticket.... i took it to court and it was dismiss..

i am pissed off 2 times over here.. one for the reason he pulled me over and secondly, to waste my time to go to court and to take work off etc.

i hate street racing. and i dont support or condone it at all. take it to the track where you sign a waiver to keep it legit.

personally property should never be taken away unless it imposes as a danger to the public.. agree? maybe not, i just think punishment should be according to the act that was conducted. if they burn rubber on a public street?? if i was judge i'll have them clean it up... tha'ts their punishment. clean up the rubber you left on the astvault and maybe a small fine.

you hit and kill someone? you pay for their funeral.

you hit a tree? you replace that tree and any other property.

you hit and send someone to the hospitol? you pay for their ICU care. but that's what insurance is for.. but im sure the judge can override that.

BunnyGirl

People can be arrested for witnessing a crime, because depending on what the crime is, they feel you to have a duty to stop it. Check out felony murder laws. If you are there at the time of the crime and see it happen, in most cases you are just as guilty as the murderer, even if you didn't have any involvement in the crime. Assume you are hanging out with friends. One gets pissed at the other one and shoots them to death in front of you. You had nothing to do with it, but you are there. Therefore, you are also guilty of murder. I think this is completely ridiculous but it happens and people are now trying to get the laws changed.

Japan8

Didn't we do this one in the lounge before?

It's a "privledge". How many people out there could live without their license/car? Getting to/from work. Kids to school, sports, etc. Grocery shopping. Vacations. The list goes on. What? Public transportation? We all know that's a joke. If you don't live in major metro areas like NY and Chicago there is no real useable public transportation system. You know that... you live in Florida!

While I don't think that people should be given total free reign over driving... there are enough nutso people out there now... hand in hand with better driver education and training, people should be given more responsiblity... not less (as is the trend in American soceity today).

DUI laws should be STRICT. In Japan the tolerance level is 0... and no, you can't use the train to get home in all of Japan (mainly just Tokyo area). So the system has developed "drive you home" taxis that pick you and your car up to take you home. Fines for DUI... $3,000 for each person in the car. If your buddy is drunk, don't let him/her drive.

If you can't go out and just have one or two beers, then you should have none.

Speeding (as mentioned earlier... with better training and education) should be "safe for conditions". Your '87 HOnda Civic at 100mph on the highway would likely be a ticket. Your '05 Carrera4 at 100mph on the highway would likely be a warning depending on conditions (traffic, weather, etc.). School zones... you'd better be going 25pmph (as taught in training/education) or suffer a hefty ticket.

You've been well-trained and educated. If you can't handle driving at higher speeds... or just being a responsible driver... then you shouldn't be.

The key is training and education.

Digital_Damage

I think it is a great idea, streetracers are stupid and should get the car taken away. Keep it on the track...

Digital_Damage

The key is following the rules...

Digital_Damage

What crack do you smoke?

Elara

urm, seriously- not to prolong the thread hijack, but you'd only be guilty as an accessory to murder if you helped plan it or something like impeding justice it you didn't then report it...

Japan8

and if the rules do little other than cost people more money and make more money for the theives we call insurance companies? What if the rules are just plain wrong?

-=Rowdy=-

Guess I don't need to respond since you took the words outta my mouth.

Armaant

Sorry to jump into this but my friend got a ticket in his GTI at 112mph. apparently he had slowed down from 125. Anyway he got off on some community service and had his liscense revoked for 6 months. But the charges included intent to kill since he was going over 90mph. It was also supposed to be 1 night in jail for every mile over 90 which he went. This is just what I know from his trial etc in VA so it probably won't apply to Fl

Digital_Damage

They are in place for safety, just because you "think" you can drive 100mph in a residential area does not mean you should. Where do you draw the line. This is just a silly stance to have...

Dinhx8

i don't get all the hoo haa over this law. If you claim you do it safely then fine be it. Just be awared you may get caught and deal with the consequences.

Comparing the law, getting mad at it and saying "there are so many drunk drivers etc" doesn't make sense. Thats the same thing as getting mad at DUI laws and saying "those damn laws are there cause of the media and all those people who have killed others, I drive drunk and do it safely at night".

Point is, there are, and most of us have driven after having a few. Some can do it 'better than others'. But would you complain at DUI laws and say they shouldn't be there cause 'others have ruined it for us?"

Same is for 'street racing'. I dont do it. But those frustrated by this law are essentially saying they do it, but do it right so the law is silly. Thats just a strange way of arguing and if you start doing that, no law is the law.

Just as you have one beer at the bar and hop 'safely' in your car and drive home, if you street race, do it safely. But know if you get busted, just as you can after having a beer, you'll have to pay. But to argue the law and compare it to this and that is just silly. If you hate that law, move to another state.

Japan8

And you are silly to say that.

Did you even READ my first (long) post? Not skim... read.

What makes the speed limits that have been decided vaild? Someone "thought" that it was the appropriate speed for that road. What made his opinion valid? He's an expert? What makes him an expert? He's got a degree and experience? And what is that? TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE. Oh my God... didn't I say that in that first post? Just because YOU "think" the speed you've chosen is safe for the situation/road doesn't give it any weight. If people are well-trained... well-educated... then they are better equipped to make this kind of judgement. And don't think I'm talking about that ****-*** waste of time Driver's Ed given at schools and after speeding tickets. I'm talking about much more hardcore stuff... rules of the road + race driving school kind of stuff... lots of class time, track time, street time... not teaching racing, but defensive driving and keeping control of your car in rain, snow, ice... etc. It might even be a good idea to add a "high speed driving" licensing option. You must have completed X number of years of driving experience (having a license AND car) and have a relatively clean driving record (no DUI, etc.) in order to TAKE the classes to get the license. And even then it's not a free pass to drive as fast as you want whenever you want.

As a matter of fact... I even specifically stated in my first post that people aren't being given a free pass to do 100 in residential neighbohoods. Reread the post! I CLEARLY stated that speeds are to be "reasonable and purdent". Depending on where you are, what you are driving, the weather conditions and traffic conditions... what can considered a safe speed varies... even on the same road. You are to drive within that limit. How do you judge it?

Similarly to the "professionals" who supposedly set the limits in the first place. Education, training and experience. If people are given abundant and excellent training and education... then if they screw up... they have even less excuses. The first hope is that they will screw up less being better trained.

Sure the world is full of morons. That's why the approach taken with traffic saftey and such is stupid. But then it's just following the current trend in America of doing everything for the "lowest common denominator" and absolve people of responsibility. People are both sheep and dumb... in general. Because of this people will break whatever speed limit you establish, laws you make... many times just do obviously stupid things (um... Darwin Award). You can't stop it no matter how much you educate, legislate... just generally try to protect people from themselves. And that really is the issue here. I don't believe in protecting people from themselves. Maybe you do. good for you. Just because you do doesn't mean I have to, nor does it mean I am wrong for thinking differently... nor is your perspective automatically right just because the majority/society is doing that now too(obvious example is slavery and torture). The fact is this is an imperfect world full of imperfect... greedy, selfish and... well stupid... people. People will die. We can try and reduce unnecessary deaths, but you have to recognize when you are beating a dead horse and when you are impeding on liberty in order to "save" the lowest common denominator.