Florida might confiscate street-racers' cars
05-06-2005, 12:52 PM
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..and California's facism continues to grow...
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05-06-2005, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by m477
This is really stupid because who exactly decides what "street racing" is?
Case in point, a guy I know was driving in his RX-7 when a Civic with a fart can pulls up alongside him and starts revving his engine and trying to get him to race. So the light turns yellow, they both stop. There's a cop perpindicular to them at the intersection, and he comes over and gives them both tickets for street racing because he heard the Civic's loud engine revving.
So under these stupid laws, he would have gotten his car taken away just because he had some stupid kid in a Civic pestering him. And how would you defend yourself against such a charge? The cop and judge would probably just say, "your car is all modified like that, so you must have been racing."
Case in point, a guy I know was driving in his RX-7 when a Civic with a fart can pulls up alongside him and starts revving his engine and trying to get him to race. So the light turns yellow, they both stop. There's a cop perpindicular to them at the intersection, and he comes over and gives them both tickets for street racing because he heard the Civic's loud engine revving.
So under these stupid laws, he would have gotten his car taken away just because he had some stupid kid in a Civic pestering him. And how would you defend yourself against such a charge? The cop and judge would probably just say, "your car is all modified like that, so you must have been racing."
This law is stupid and is (yet again) another example of trying to legislate away your problems.
05-06-2005, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Confiscate the cars of people driving with DUIs, or the jackasses that speed excessively weaving in and out of traffic, or the people that do 10 under the speedlimit and stop in the middle of the highway to merge, fine with me. As far as I'm concerned they cause far more accidents and are far more dangerous than any "streetracers".
05-06-2005, 02:23 PM
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People with multiple DUI's should have there cars and licenses taken away-period.
(Good call Ike)
People who race others on city streets while endangering other people in traffic-should be cited and have their cars confiscated.
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
People who peel out in parking lots and other empty, closed off areas should be cited AT THE MOST.
Yeah, and that law enforcement comment about street racers runnin for drugs and pinks, isn't all that applicable or substantiated, racers usually run for some money or respect.
(Good call Ike)
People who race others on city streets while endangering other people in traffic-should be cited and have their cars confiscated.
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
People who peel out in parking lots and other empty, closed off areas should be cited AT THE MOST.
Yeah, and that law enforcement comment about street racers runnin for drugs and pinks, isn't all that applicable or substantiated, racers usually run for some money or respect.
05-06-2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LNWLF
People with multiple DUI's should have there cars and licenses taken away-period.
(Good call Ike)
People who race others on city streets while endangering other people in traffic-should be cited and have their cars confiscated.
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
People who peel out in parking lots and other empty, closed off areas should be cited AT THE MOST.
Yeah, and that law enforcement comment about street racers runnin for drugs and pinks, isn't all that applicable or substantiated, racers usually run for some money or respect.
(Good call Ike)
People who race others on city streets while endangering other people in traffic-should be cited and have their cars confiscated.
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
People who peel out in parking lots and other empty, closed off areas should be cited AT THE MOST.
Yeah, and that law enforcement comment about street racers runnin for drugs and pinks, isn't all that applicable or substantiated, racers usually run for some money or respect.
I've seen the stats for how mnay accidents and deaths street racing causes every year and you're more likely to die in a bicycle crash than from a streetracer IIRC, or even from another motorist talking on their cellphone. I don't condome streetracing in the least but the problem, like so many other things, has been blown way out of proportion by the media and public officials.
05-06-2005, 02:52 PM
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Most people that are really serious about tuning their cars and racing also don't spend their money on drugs. Most of the people I know like that put almost every dime they have into their cars. Even if there is drugs involved, the racing isn't the problem, it's the DRUGS that is the problem.
I've seen the stats for how mnay accidents and deaths street racing causes every year and you're more likely to die in a bicycle crash than from a streetracer IIRC, or even from another motorist talking on their cellphone. I don't condome streetracing in the least but the problem, like so many other things, has been blown way out of proportion by the media and public officials.
I've seen the stats for how mnay accidents and deaths street racing causes every year and you're more likely to die in a bicycle crash than from a streetracer IIRC, or even from another motorist talking on their cellphone. I don't condome streetracing in the least but the problem, like so many other things, has been blown way out of proportion by the media and public officials.
It sucks that way.
Street racing is dangerous no matter what time or what street. There's always murphy to throw you a curve. The problem is that even if you open public dragstrips for people to race on, you're not going to eliminate those who want to do it on the street just for the extra thrill they get.
I dont really think confiscation of vehicles is a good solution, but I can't say I know of a good solution.
05-06-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by m477
This is really stupid because who exactly decides what "street racing" is?
Case in point, a guy I know was driving in his RX-7 when a Civic with a fart can pulls up alongside him and starts revving his engine and trying to get him to race. So the light turns yellow, they both stop. There's a cop perpindicular to them at the intersection, and he comes over and gives them both tickets for street racing because he heard the Civic's loud engine revving.
So under these stupid laws, he would have gotten his car taken away just because he had some stupid kid in a Civic pestering him. And how would you defend yourself against such a charge? The cop and judge would probably just say, "your car is all modified like that, so you must have been racing."
Case in point, a guy I know was driving in his RX-7 when a Civic with a fart can pulls up alongside him and starts revving his engine and trying to get him to race. So the light turns yellow, they both stop. There's a cop perpindicular to them at the intersection, and he comes over and gives them both tickets for street racing because he heard the Civic's loud engine revving.
So under these stupid laws, he would have gotten his car taken away just because he had some stupid kid in a Civic pestering him. And how would you defend yourself against such a charge? The cop and judge would probably just say, "your car is all modified like that, so you must have been racing."
05-06-2005, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LNWLF
People with multiple DUI's should have there cars and licenses taken away-period.
(Good call Ike)
People who race others on city streets while endangering other people in traffic-should be cited and have their cars confiscated.
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
People who peel out in parking lots and other empty, closed off areas should be cited AT THE MOST.
Yeah, and that law enforcement comment about street racers runnin for drugs and pinks, isn't all that applicable or substantiated, racers usually run for some money or respect.
(Good call Ike)
People who race others on city streets while endangering other people in traffic-should be cited and have their cars confiscated.
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
People who peel out in parking lots and other empty, closed off areas should be cited AT THE MOST.
Yeah, and that law enforcement comment about street racers runnin for drugs and pinks, isn't all that applicable or substantiated, racers usually run for some money or respect.
Someone street races, gets caught, review it to make sure it is was it is then make the decision to confiscate. I agree with that. It doesn;'t matter if there is traffic or not
05-06-2005, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LNWLF
People who race others on empty streets, with NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER-that should be a discretionary call as to whether one should have their car confiscated.
If the racers are organized and have blocked the streets to cross traffic, then they're depriving other people of using the roads they have paid for.
05-06-2005, 06:51 PM
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Ike: i couldn't agree with you more in some aspects. It seems to me that the "street racers" they are trying to catch, are actually the ones who are running 16's in a civic but think their neons make them that much quicker.
Anyone who is a "real" racer could care less about money or drugs. and by "real" i mean they race on the track, street, road coruse, wherever! But sombody who spends their money in their car, not into drugs, shoes, purses anything like that...**TYPICALLY** they are not the "serious" problem.
The whole subject has been touchy and really unclear almost. I'm sad to see they've passed it..now i want to see how much it is truely enforced.
Poilce34: remind me to never get pulled over by you!! you seem like the cop who laughed at me..not the one who let me go
Anyone who is a "real" racer could care less about money or drugs. and by "real" i mean they race on the track, street, road coruse, wherever! But sombody who spends their money in their car, not into drugs, shoes, purses anything like that...**TYPICALLY** they are not the "serious" problem.
The whole subject has been touchy and really unclear almost. I'm sad to see they've passed it..now i want to see how much it is truely enforced.
Poilce34: remind me to never get pulled over by you!! you seem like the cop who laughed at me..not the one who let me go
05-06-2005, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by police34
This is where ignorance of the law comes in. Not saying your ignorant. Not saying anything about you directly. In Fla. That is not street racing. A judge wont say guilty because of a car being modified. People who don't understand the law to it's full extent will say and act like that. The laws aren't stupid. They are put in place for a reason. There is a lot more p.c. that goes into effect to get street racing than that scenario.
The Milwaukee police department is particularly bad when it comes to this stuff, and they have a history of harassment and corruption (what large police department doesn't?). I find there are VERY few people who join the police force to actually do good and help the community. Most of them are ego maniacs with low self esteem that were picked on in Highschool and want to feel impiortant. Not saying this is the case always, but I haven't seen much info to support otherwise.
05-06-2005, 07:15 PM
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wow, i agree with you twice in the same thread?! This is un heard of!
But once again, i agree with that post. I have met THREE cops who are not your usual, "hi i'm an *******" kind of guy. One works in cali, one is a university cop (a her actually) and another is one who pulled me over-who later applogized for pulling me over and let me go, even though i was at fault.
**MOST** cops are complete dicks who think they are 1047584291 times not only better, but also above the law..which REALLY makes me mad...
Ie: when you see one turn their lights on to not sit at a red light, then turn them off...WTF!?
But once again, i agree with that post. I have met THREE cops who are not your usual, "hi i'm an *******" kind of guy. One works in cali, one is a university cop (a her actually) and another is one who pulled me over-who later applogized for pulling me over and let me go, even though i was at fault.
**MOST** cops are complete dicks who think they are 1047584291 times not only better, but also above the law..which REALLY makes me mad...
Ie: when you see one turn their lights on to not sit at a red light, then turn them off...WTF!?
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Originally Posted by Morgan
wow, i agree with you twice in the same thread?! This is un heard of!
But once again, i agree with that post. I have met THREE cops who are not your usual, "hi i'm an *******" kind of guy. One works in cali, one is a university cop (a her actually) and another is one who pulled me over-who later applogized for pulling me over and let me go, even though i was at fault.
But once again, i agree with that post. I have met THREE cops who are not your usual, "hi i'm an *******" kind of guy. One works in cali, one is a university cop (a her actually) and another is one who pulled me over-who later applogized for pulling me over and let me go, even though i was at fault.
(grumble.)
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haha, sorry...i actually had an awesome reason as to why i did what i did...and it was the truth!!!!
but hey...my "cuteness" only got me outta cops way ONCE...i still got 180$ ticket for 19 over...damnit.
but hey...my "cuteness" only got me outta cops way ONCE...i still got 180$ ticket for 19 over...damnit.
05-07-2005, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
What about the ignorant and power hungry cops, because I've met a hell of a lot of them... Many cops will go out of their way to harass people about things they don't understand, including the law. For instance I know someone with an STi that got pulled over for having an aftermarket spoiler that was too tall, he tried to explain to the officer that it was stock and the cop got mad and wrote him another ticket for 51 in a 45 when he was simply keeping up with traffic as well as the spoiler ticket. Both tickets were dismissed when he went to court and I don't appreciate the fact that my tax dollars are being wasted because cops like to harass people in fast cars. I especially don't appreciate it because I can't get a cop to respond to a call on the last 3 ocassions I needed one.
The Milwaukee police department is particularly bad when it comes to this stuff, and they have a history of harassment and corruption (what large police department doesn't?). I find there are VERY few people who join the police force to actually do good and help the community. Most of them are ego maniacs with low self esteem that were picked on in Highschool and want to feel impiortant. Not saying this is the case always, but I haven't seen much info to support otherwise.
The Milwaukee police department is particularly bad when it comes to this stuff, and they have a history of harassment and corruption (what large police department doesn't?). I find there are VERY few people who join the police force to actually do good and help the community. Most of them are ego maniacs with low self esteem that were picked on in Highschool and want to feel impiortant. Not saying this is the case always, but I haven't seen much info to support otherwise.
05-07-2005, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by police34
I absolutely agree. There are cops that give bs tickets. However, it is still valid. I would not give a ticket for a spoiler. I in no way would give someone a ticket for a 51 in a 45. Cops do calls on a priority scale. Were your calls an emergency? If something can wait then it's going to wait. We have a very good agency here. Cops don't harass people in fast cars. It's not a cops choice one day to just catch speeders. It's an agency operation to crack down on speeders. If a ''ricer'' decides to speed and gets caught then so be it. This is an issue that someone not involved in law enforcement wont understand. I see exactly where your coming from. Your tax dollars are not being wasted on cops chasing speeders. I have a big problem with that statement. That is being ignorant. Tax dollars are going to be spent whether people like it or not. My tax dollars go to the same thing yours do.
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LOL very true. i love that show :D
I always find it funny how people think laws are there to keep them from have fun. i am willing to bet if a street racer killed their family member or friend they would feel diffrent about it. It could be anything people who steal or whatever, when it happens to you its always diffrent. laws are there for a reason no matter how stupid they may seem.
I always find it funny how people think laws are there to keep them from have fun. i am willing to bet if a street racer killed their family member or friend they would feel diffrent about it. It could be anything people who steal or whatever, when it happens to you its always diffrent. laws are there for a reason no matter how stupid they may seem.
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Just to throw another stick in the fire, I got a little magazine from Geico the other day and got around to reading it last night.
It seems that some of the Insurance companies are trying to get Legislation passed to give them the right to deny any claim that involves a car with "street racing modifications". They specifically mention strut tower bars and intakes/exhausts, as well as lowering springs as "signs that your child is street racing", and imply that having them would be grounds to deny a claim under their proposed legislation.
But anyway... I cannot, for the life of me, understand the publics aversion to street racing lately. My Grandfather used to tell me about racing cars back in the 1930s... My Dad tells me about drag racing with friends in the '60s, my Brothers talk about drag racing all through the '80s... and there was never a nation-wide or state-wide "crack-down" on street racing back then. And Fast and the Furious was hardly the first movie to glorify street racing, hell, it was a genre in the '60s and '70s.
Oh well, that's life I guess. I've long since moved on from any kind of street racing, but I still enjoy driving a little fast down my favorite twisty back-roads. As long as that's (kind-of) legal, I'm happy.
It seems that some of the Insurance companies are trying to get Legislation passed to give them the right to deny any claim that involves a car with "street racing modifications". They specifically mention strut tower bars and intakes/exhausts, as well as lowering springs as "signs that your child is street racing", and imply that having them would be grounds to deny a claim under their proposed legislation.
But anyway... I cannot, for the life of me, understand the publics aversion to street racing lately. My Grandfather used to tell me about racing cars back in the 1930s... My Dad tells me about drag racing with friends in the '60s, my Brothers talk about drag racing all through the '80s... and there was never a nation-wide or state-wide "crack-down" on street racing back then. And Fast and the Furious was hardly the first movie to glorify street racing, hell, it was a genre in the '60s and '70s.
Oh well, that's life I guess. I've long since moved on from any kind of street racing, but I still enjoy driving a little fast down my favorite twisty back-roads. As long as that's (kind-of) legal, I'm happy.
05-07-2005, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by police34
It's an agency operation to crack down on speeders.
Like motorcycle cops. Thier soul purpose seems to be just that, and every one of them I've met so far seemed to take pleasure in busting people for the slightest infraction. It wouldn't seem so bad to me if they werent so unpleasent. I must say though, PBSO over here seems to be a well run policing force. Every encounter I've had whether I was the "perp" or not has been professional. Municpal is a different story.
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Originally Posted by police34
A drivers license is a privilege. Not a right. Therefore you follow the rules of the road or you don't drive. When they get their licenses taken away they shouldn't get it back for 1 year. People want capital punishment or an eye for an eye but want street racing discretionary? Someone street races, gets caught, review it to make sure it is was it is then make the decision to confiscate. I agree with that. It doesn;'t matter if there is traffic or not
Someone street races, gets caught, review it to make sure it is was it is then make the decision to confiscate. I agree with that. It doesn;'t matter if there is traffic or notI think this terminology "a drivers license is a privilege" is a bit of a misnomer. A driver's license for the average person in Tokyo is a privilege. They can always commute by train, bus and taxis. A driver's license for a truck driver or taxis driver is the means by which they earn their living. For many Americans, a driver's license is the means by which they commute to work, go shopping and generally take care of daily life. To merely call it a priviledge over looks the fact that a driver's license is quite necessary for daily life. Perhaps something more like "driving is a regulated freedom."
Seen "Meet the Fockers"? Why does it seem that all my experiences with cops growing up in Central Florida and college in NC oddly seem to agree with this caricature...
Although to really be fair, the problem isn't just LEO. They are just "doing their job." What this really comes down to are the laws and the idiots in the legislature that write and pass them.
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Originally Posted by Thetitanium8
LOL very true. i love that show :D
I always find it funny how people think laws are there to keep them from have fun. i am willing to bet if a street racer killed their family member or friend they would feel diffrent about it. It could be anything people who steal or whatever, when it happens to you its always diffrent. laws are there for a reason no matter how stupid they may seem.
I always find it funny how people think laws are there to keep them from have fun. i am willing to bet if a street racer killed their family member or friend they would feel diffrent about it. It could be anything people who steal or whatever, when it happens to you its always diffrent. laws are there for a reason no matter how stupid they may seem.
Unforunately you couldn't have posted a more wrong statement.
Anti miscegenation laws existed... they were "there for a reaons no matter how stupid they may seem."
The same goes for Jim crow laws.
Maybe comparing those laws to traffic laws is getting into "apples and oranges..." but the point is that just because something is the law doesn't make it right nor the right solution to the problem at hand. Nor should it be the government's job to enact "revenge."
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revenge? ok not sure how a law is revenge you got me on that one. Anyway i am not a law maker nor a police officer. Now my statement I made refered to laws such as street racing (sorry i wasnt more specific )
Just had surgery on arm so its hard to type thats why i was not more detailed with post.
)Just had surgery on arm so its hard to type thats why i was not more detailed with post.
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The reason I suggested discretionary impounding for street racers' cars in the situation where there is no danger to the public (other than to the racers themselves because of no traffic on the road), is based loosely upon the principles of eminent domain.
The racers in this situation should still be cited and have their license revoked, but a taking of their significant personal property such as their vehicle, is only justified in situations of grave legal misconduct or with just compensation.
Here, the govt. would be able to take away a significant piece of personal property that you paid for, in a situation where the danger to the public is little to none. Hence, a discretionary impounding (followed by a hearing) in this situation seemed fair to both sides involved.
The racers in this situation should still be cited and have their license revoked, but a taking of their significant personal property such as their vehicle, is only justified in situations of grave legal misconduct or with just compensation.
Here, the govt. would be able to take away a significant piece of personal property that you paid for, in a situation where the danger to the public is little to none. Hence, a discretionary impounding (followed by a hearing) in this situation seemed fair to both sides involved.
05-07-2005, 01:17 PM
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Even if there is no danger to the public, there is danger to the publics property. I rememeber reading an article about a street race that took place on a higway owned and operated by the private sector. One of the cars lost control and smashed into those barrels they have at all the exits of the higway infront of the barriers. The people who owned the highway sent a bill to the kid for 40k dollars, the cost to replace the barrels. On a public road, that would have been covered by us, because some no talent schmuk thinks its cool to race.
All I have to say is that people are lucky I am not in charge. Not a day goes by that I don't see someone who I would take their liscence and car away given that power.
All I have to say is that people are lucky I am not in charge. Not a day goes by that I don't see someone who I would take their liscence and car away given that power.