MyNam3IsM33TBALL

Honestly considering the ZR-1 weighs 486.2lbs lighter and has 158 more horses than the GT-R its pretty sad that it only beat the GT-R by 2.63 seconds. You'd think with a HUGE power to weight ratio advantage over the GT-R the ZR-1 would do much better. This only shows the beauty of Japanese engineering. Not to mention, the GT-R will cost about 30,000 LESS than the ZR-1 and will be more streetable due to it's AWD with snow,race, etc. modes AND capability to drive around more than one passenger!!!!!!!!

MyNam3IsM33TBALL

I'd like to see the ZR-1 against the V-Spec GT-R with 70 MORE horses and 331 LESS pounds....now THAT would be a bit more even...

devildog1679

You also have to factor in drag, the GTR may have less drag then the ZR-1 wich will give it an advantage. Not to mention the AWD. I would be more then happy to drive either one

canaryrx8

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I'd like to see the japanese develop a modern rear wheel drive sportscar that can claim that time, either that or take away the awd from the gtr and see what it will do. I'd also be curious as to how much something like that would cost given what killed their RWD cars previously. Until that day, comparing an AWD supercar to a RWD "muscle/sports car" seems kinda' pointless. (even if the less sophisticated and traction impaired vette is still faster anyway) This comparo reminds me of the billsions of people who try to compare EVo/STi to the 8 all the time.

Bester

The Vette has its shorcomings. But you need to drive one before damning them as redneck trash. My boss has a Cayman S. Very nice. And much more refined. But if I was in the market it would be a tough choice between this and a new C6. Corvettes have always had the one mark of a great performance machine. The faster and harder you push one the better it feels. And being domestic means you get the advantage of affordability and, more importantly, you get a car that is very receptive to modifications.

Not a Vette fanboii but you need to experience one yourself instead of buying into negative hype from some magazine article. You might like it, you might not.

Corvettes are not for eveyone, neither is the RX8.

EdwardsB

Nah you were thinking of the camaro not the vette. (I know the new camaro is sweet)

Gish

Why the hell would one want to buy a GTR when a Honda Civic (which looks better and gets better gas mileage) is much cheaper to buy? Unless your daily commute involves the Ring, there's no point in buying the GTR over a regular old Civic.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

playdoh43

^^you can replace the word GTR with "RX8" or any other car and have the same implications.

MyNam3IsM33TBALL

That proves my point exactly...theres really not too much modern about the ZR-1...its a car with a big-*** motor with a supercharger slapped on it. Typical american muscle.

The beauty of the Japanese cars are that they make performance vehicles using technology and engineering...NOT a big-*** motor.

Yes, the GT-R is a supercar....so what exactly do you call the ZR-1? At a base price of just over $100,000 its no common street car.

You compare my comparison to the comparison of the evo/sti to the rx-8....don't forget the evo and sti have about 70 more horses and way more torque than the rx-8...not to mention they cost almost the same price with the rx-8. The ZR-1 however, has the tremendous power AND weight advantage.

Like German automobiles, Japanese automobiles are more BRAINS while domestic muscle is more BRAUN.

devildog1679

I recent that comment My first true love was a 95 Z28 Went like hell in a straight line but handled like a boat. I think the C6 gives you the best of both worlds. Great handling car and fast as hell. Same goes for the GTR

BMonkey

Yea, Honda should develop a new NSX and test it at the ring!

oh wait....

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...atestnews..5.*

Gish

I would have to disagree and say that German automobiles are the perfect combination of the two...

Reedy

Ive been following the ZR1 VS GTR debat for awhile on other boards now and a couple things worth mentioning are:

A. The GTR's "official" time was done using R compound tires and had the boost cranked up beyond stock levels along with suspension tuning, although stock parts were used it was not "stock"

B. The ZR1 turned in that time being completly showroom stock with the ADDITION of communication and saftey equipment, a strong head wind on the main straight, stock Michelin Pilot tires and one of the engineers as the driver! Not a pro like was piloting the GTR. With a pro behind the wheel I would expect to see at least a 7:20 out of the ZR1.

I expect GM is waiting for the Spec V to turn in its offical time befor they unleash the ZR1 with a pro behind the wheel to really slap Nissan in the face.

So for those of you who are comparing hp I would guess the GTR that Nissan took to the ring to be closer to the 550 mark.

BMonkey

Yea I heard the ZR1 also was only running on 87 octane fuel, and had to dodge a motorcycle crash ahead of it... oh and it was getting shot at by a few attack helicopters in a james bond-esque style as well.

Can you bring up any more 'things worth mentioning'?

SteveB

Hahaha.

Either way, the ZR1 beat the GTR. Period.

Not to mention, yes the GTR has all this cool tech... but isn't that just more to break? More tech means it's harder to mod as well.

Reedy

Exactly. Im thinking smaller pully and some fuel injectors.

alz0rz

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13,670 - sadly crysis still sucks on it though

T.T.

I really don't see what the big deal is. So the ZR1 beat the GT-R. So what? There's always going to be a faster car. It is also a mistake to call the ZR1 "low-tech" because the Americans are using all the same engineering tools as the Japanese. They simply took a different approach to achieve their objectives. This being said, the GT-R is probably still the easier car to drive because of the systems it includes and the nature of its layout. Also, the GT-R is not ugly. You should see it in person.

ASH8

This may be a "dumb" question....someone may know..

How can the Corvette (ZR1) pass pedestrian safety standards in Europe and I guess the US, it does have a low sharp front, rather than the thick, high, blunt noses on cars like the RX-8.



Ash

SlayerRX8

All very true. Let's also not forget that the ZR-1's stock tires are garbage. GM's solution to not including a spare in Corvettes is having runflat tires. Putting on a set of real tires should yield big improvements in handling.

canaryrx8

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damn ure so smart

I already knew about that, I've been following the NSX for a while, might even end up buying a used one as my next car as I've been in love with them forever. However, the last gen NSX had an msrp of 90,000 dollars for a US model, and it wasn't anywhere near the ZR-1's lap time, and the "new one" is not out so it's irrelevant anyway. I'm still waiting for the modern RWD Japanese sportscar that's supposed to get similar times to the ZR-1 on the ring, so where is it?

dothackRAVE

Good god. You guys are acting like little kids, comparing each other's wieners in the locker room.

C'mon, the GT-R is a great car, but a bit heavy. The ZR-1 is a little more primitive, but damned is it fast!

Every car has their ups and downs. This time, Nissan lost, with a "budget" $30,000 LESS than GM. So what? Don't act like a whiney kid. Lose like a man.

digitalSniperX1

Tell us if you will, exactly what engineering and technology are you talking about? This should be interesting, I look forward to your reply. And before you tell me high technology engine configurations we'll begin by introducing you to this 1933 DOHC engine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1...rix_engine.jpg

canaryrx8

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ummmmm...I'm telling on you!

Falken

The ZR-1 is fully capable of cracking 7:25. On a track the size of the 'ring? A combination of a few slow shifts and a few not-perfect corners could easily account for two seconds. Than there's the headwind.

There is no replacement for displacement.