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Gotian

But so was the Kabura. I think the reason why every magazine, ect, says that is because they are hopeful of the rx-7 coming back, but I think from mazda point of view, they would never bring the name back because the car was retired. I also believe that whatever RX comes next will still be a RX-8 because the name RX-8 hasnt had a full run as the 7 did, not to mention that the engine is still a renesis and the car will not be a 2 seater regardless of the design they do go with.

rotary crazy

the same people that gave us this info are calling this the next RX-7 not the next rotary car, remember this is a concept, the rx-7( mazda can still change its mind) will be derive from this

Gotian

I still doubt it wil be the RX-7, so im going to continue to lean towards it being the next 8, the FF

refugeefrompistons

FF?? :-( Imma cry. Neways, what will the redline be? Still 9k? because i know the rotors are increased in size but the 1.3 L can handle 13.5 k rpm but it is the tranny and other parts that cap it at 9k rpm.

rotary crazy

what ever they decide to call it is looking great

RX26b

Camaro and Challenger, for example, were retired a while ago and are coming back.
The 8 doesn't have anywhere near the cachet (or the race history) that the 7 did/does. It was around for 3 long generations and has its own loyal fanbase. Mazda's big mistake was in letting production lapse without introducing a 4th gen....to keep the customer base growing.

I'd like to see both cars in the lineup- the 8 maintaining its 4 door coupe, N/A engine, while the 7 should move upmarket with lower weight/turbo'd/more exotic material construction. The two should not occupy the same class as far as weight, power, price, IMO; one of them should be ready to do battle with a next gen NSX (if it ever comes), the GT-R, and whatever else happens to cost twice as much, just like the FD did.

mac11

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I don't think there have ever been 2 production rotary cars in Mazda's line up at the same time before. I doubt it would happen now. There are just too many people afraid of rotaries to be pissing in your own cheerios.


Mazda would have to retrain their entire staff of techs to ACTUALLY be able to COMPETENTLY work on a rotary motor and bring the MPG way up amongst other things to make this motor more mainstream and viable enough to put in 2 cars at the same time. I'm not saying it can't happen. I think the engineers at Mazda - and everywhere else actually - have the ability to give us some amazing things, a lot more than they do give us. I just don't see 2 rotaries being offered at the same time in the near future.

RPIRX-8

That is so awesome!!!

rotary crazy

on the contrary mazda has always have more than one rotary car in production(except the late 90's when the cosmo ended production in 96), but only offer one in the US, if you look at mazda's lineup of cars there have beeng times that mazda offer 3 rotary cars at the same time

I do agree with you, I dont hink mazda will have 2 rotary cars in production, not for a long time

RX26b

Or another way to put it: Too many dumbasses out there who have succumbed to the anti-rotary propaganda thanks to b.s. perpetuated by other non-enthusiasts masquerading as sports car fans. Public opinion can change; unfortunately in the rotary's situation the damage may have already been done and unless the present and future wankels have a 100% perfect reliability rate you may be right that consumers may be wearied of the peanut-shaped combustion chamber concept.
Uh, mechanics these days actually "work" on engines? I thought their jobs mainly consist of 1)hooking the cars up to a scanner so it can tell them which sensor needs replacing, or 2)pulling the engine/trans/other major parts off the car and simply bolting on a replacement whilst not actually "rebuilding" anything themselves. A second grader could probably surmise that these things can best be accomplished by robots.

rotary crazy

I think mazda is right on the money, most RX-8 owner are ready to trade the car, now mazda is going to offer you a better rx-8 with more modern looks and maybe even more power

mac11

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I thought that I had put 'in the US'. I guess I didn't. I meant to. My mistake.



I guess that we see eye to eye then.


Well if you go into a Ford or Chevy or etc dealership you will find mechanics capable of pulling off and rebuilding the head, dropping the rotating assembly and rebuilding it, etc, etc. Whilst you and I both know those tasks are literally hundres of times more difficult - in concept and practice - than rebuilding a wankel type motor, sadly the 'technicians' employed by mazda are not privy to this information.

All it would take would be them buying and watching one of the numerous rebuild vidoes out there produced by pinnapple, or anyone else to see just how much of a child's task it is to put together a rotary as compared to a boinger motor. You would think these guys would want to have a clue about the engineering achievment that is the pride and joy of and what saved the company they work for. Too bad it's oil changes trans flushes and screwing customers out of every last dollar that pays the bills. And these guys bounce around to other brands often enough they don't care of have to know the rotary.

rotary crazy

that figures, it was a suprise to me that you said that, mazda did sell more than one rotary in the US at the same time but that was in the 70's

jeffe19007

It is going to be an RX-7. It will be a rotary.

It will not be retro (except for the two door hatch back, rotary type of thing).

Please make an MazdaSpeed turbo option. User installed if need be, just do it.

mac11

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Sorry I guess I got into the "US is the only game in town" mantra that us American's sometimes fall into.

Yea, I think they learned then that there are only so many buyers in the US market for rotary vehicles. Why spend all the money engineering and tooling 2 cars only to split sales?

If they could get rid of flooding completely, seems to be a fading issue, get a solid 20MPG+ city, address the technician issue addressed above, and really really advertise and educate the american public....maybe it could be done. But I can't see that happening in the near future (next 3 years). There is just too much stigma attached to the motor right now.

And i think if they were to do something like that they would need to have 1 dedicated rotary can and another car that was an MX with RX option. Maybe an RX-"x" car and a car similar to the current Mazda3 and use the RX motor in the Mazdaspeed version. I think you would need 2 VERY distinctly different cars to make it viable. Of course I'm no marketing or business guy so what the hell do I really know anyway?

mac11

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Just turbo it yourself if you are that hardcore you are willing to install it yourself. On the RX8 you could really do a decent home built turbo for under $4500 and make more power than the ignition system is capable of handling at this point.

Cody Red

Long LIVVVVVVVE the Rotary!

DOMINION

That would take the number out of the line up. Mazda is not going to go back to RX-7 or RX-2 if they did not want to go back to RX-1. That wont make sense.

It has to RX-EVOLV bro

sosonic

The hydrogen/rotary hybrid is a wasting good R&D and MONEY that damn Mazda could be spending on a more practical electric/rotary hybrid or new rotary engine.

An electric/rotary hybrid would be useful NOW. Furthermore an electric-assist turbocharger and rotary engine would be kick ***. There would be nothing but positives by going down the electric path and putting more R&D there.

Hydrogen hybrid crap is impractical at this time. How do you fill up for my hydrogen? The damn hydrogen tank is extremely heavy, takes up lots of space, and does not hold much hydrogen. Stupid oil companies love hydrogen because they want to use FOSSIL FUELS to make the hydrogen, therefore there is very little "GREEN" advantage, just a con-game by oil companies. Oil companies would also control hydrogen fill up stations.

DOMINION

Dude that rant was so OT lol

Razz1

Hell... that's the way my Grandma drives the kids home on the way from school!

rotarygod

A have a generic Haynes manual from 1974 that covers their entire lineup. Every car in their line had a rotary in it or had it as an option! I'm not saying they'll do that again though.

ASH8

The Mazda Line up with Rotary and Banger engines was....

R100 (10A), 1200cc,1300cc
RX-2 (12A), Capella 1600cc,616
RX-3 (10A,12A) 808 1300,1600cc.
RX-4 (12A,13B) 929 1800cc
RX-5 (13B) 121,121L 2000cc.

Then came the RX-7 with no banger engines, and we have not seen another dual engine option since.

As far as a "NEW" Rotary being called an RX-7...I am quite sure that any 2 door rotary will be called an RX-8 Coupe and possibly keeping the 4 door option for a while.
As for more than one named rotary production car manufactured in the same year, I doubt it.

Since the RX-7 Mazda have said that the rotary engine will only be used in a "specialist" car, maybe just maybe in the decades to come IF the Hydro Hybrid Rotary is a viable concern we will see more than one rotary model...

RXLogic

Obviously, Mazda can call the car whatever they bloody well please, but...

If it has a back seat and suicide doors, then it's an RX8. If it's a two seater rotary , then it's an RX7.

I'm hoping the "family" rotary idea goes bye-bye. I love the RX8, but I don't need the extra 300 lbs.