Car and Driver reviews '06 Mitsuibishi Eclipse
06-28-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
which coupes that cost under 22k new with the functionality of the car handles better and has comparable power?
either way even if the eclipse has a .1 0-60 adantage and a few mph trapped quarter mile, you're talking about a car that costs substantially more than a brand new RSX-type s
the mitsu has a 6 cyl but only gets a little better power, not to mention it gets terrible gas efficiency(much worse than i would have expected, but either way not bad considering the way rotary cars sip gas)
06-28-2005, 06:07 PM
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Yup, a car with muscle-car performance and one that doesnt look like a civic with a cheap bodykit thrown on.
Maybe 10 years ago.
In my book if you're not in the 13s you're not in the league of being considered "muscle car performance" by today's standards. A 14.6 is "muscle car performance"? Please, a stock Altima can easily beat that, and I sure wouldn't put it in the same category as a mid-13 Mustang GT or a high-12 GTO.
And looks. Well looks are subjective. While I agree on the RSX-S comment, I wouldn't consider the new Eclipse a shining beacon of beauty either. Looks like a leaping turd to me, especially in that ****-brown burnt umber color they've been pimping.
53 more HP and 117 extra lb-ft of torque isnt a 'little better power'. But I guess to you the z only has a 'little better power' over the 8 too then, eh?
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06-28-2005, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sigma
"Muscle Car Performance"? Maybe 10 years ago.
I'm going to assume by "power" he meant performance. As in 0-60 and 1/4-mile times. How much literal "power" you have means nothing if you can't go any faster. And, yes, that same argument applies to the Z and the 8.
06-28-2005, 07:07 PM
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Well, I can't say I've ever heard Nissan or Infiniti refer to either of their respective cars having "muscle car performance", but if they did I'd find it just as laughable, yes. Sports Cars, yes, Muscle Cars, no.
06-28-2005, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sigma
"Muscle Car Performance"?
Maybe 10 years ago.
In my book if you're not in the 13s you're not in the league of being considered "muscle car performance" by today's standards. A 14.6 is "muscle car performance"? Please, a stock Altima can easily beat that, and I sure wouldn't put it in the same category as a mid-13 Mustang GT or a high-12 GTO.
And looks. Well looks are subjective. While I agree on the RSX-S comment, I wouldn't consider the new Eclipse a shining beacon of beauty either. Looks like a leaping turd to me, especially in that ****-brown burnt umber color they've been pimping.
I'm going to assume by "power" he meant performance. As in 0-60 and 1/4-mile times. How much literal "power" you have means nothing if you can't go any faster. And, yes, that same argument applies to the Z and the 8.
Maybe 10 years ago.
In my book if you're not in the 13s you're not in the league of being considered "muscle car performance" by today's standards. A 14.6 is "muscle car performance"? Please, a stock Altima can easily beat that, and I sure wouldn't put it in the same category as a mid-13 Mustang GT or a high-12 GTO.
And looks. Well looks are subjective. While I agree on the RSX-S comment, I wouldn't consider the new Eclipse a shining beacon of beauty either. Looks like a leaping turd to me, especially in that ****-brown burnt umber color they've been pimping.
I'm going to assume by "power" he meant performance. As in 0-60 and 1/4-mile times. How much literal "power" you have means nothing if you can't go any faster. And, yes, that same argument applies to the Z and the 8.
53 horsepower doesnt mean squat when your car is wider than most SUV's and weighs in nearly two tons. and you are correct rx8, it is a honda civic with a cheap body kit put on, but at least it's remotely well proportioned and has good understated styling compared to the...well...not so well proportioned eclipse.
06-28-2005, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
I'm not saying cars can't get gains from an intake, but the RSX is not getting 15-20whp from an intake I've seen dynos and he's dreaming and would fit in great over at ClubRSX :p Spend enough time there and a Hondata #4, intake, and 3rd gear will allow you to outrun low flying cruise missles.
Well, I can't say I've ever heard Nissan or Infiniti refer to either of their respective cars having "muscle car performance", but if they did I'd find it just as laughable, yes. Sports Cars, yes, Muscle Cars, no.
You are correct in stating Nissan/Infiniti never claimed their respective cars to have "muscle car performance" or anything like that, hell, even nissan didn't/doesn't market the V35 skyline/G35 Coupe as even a sporst car.
06-29-2005, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
really, since you have so much time on your hands ike why dont you go look up soem dyno charts of the AEM CIA for the RSX Type-S.
yeah, japanese "muscle cars" are long gone, whoever said the eclipse has "muscle car" power is terribly wrong, the eclipse(especially the DSM) is one of the staples of massive fad driven rice cars, next to the civic, very different from a muscle car. its a front wheel drive car that's not even a sports car, japanese muscle cars would be the Nissan 300ZX TT, Mazda RX-7, Toyota Supra TT, Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, Nissan Skyline GTS-T/GT-R, Acura NSX-S, etc
You are correct in stating Nissan/Infiniti never claimed their respective cars to have "muscle car performance" or anything like that, hell, even nissan didn't/doesn't market the V35 skyline/G35 Coupe as even a sporst car.
yeah, japanese "muscle cars" are long gone, whoever said the eclipse has "muscle car" power is terribly wrong, the eclipse(especially the DSM) is one of the staples of massive fad driven rice cars, next to the civic, very different from a muscle car. its a front wheel drive car that's not even a sports car, japanese muscle cars would be the Nissan 300ZX TT, Mazda RX-7, Toyota Supra TT, Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, Nissan Skyline GTS-T/GT-R, Acura NSX-S, etc
You are correct in stating Nissan/Infiniti never claimed their respective cars to have "muscle car performance" or anything like that, hell, even nissan didn't/doesn't market the V35 skyline/G35 Coupe as even a sporst car.
Also, when I see an NSX or RX-7 I think Japanese muscle car
In order to be a muscle car the car should have a large V8, be performance oriented, be affordable, and being built in the 60s or 70s doesn't hurt either...
06-29-2005, 08:00 AM
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You know when you get into the modifying discussions you can pretty much just chuck everything out the window.
I mean you can buy a 90's civic hatch, gut it, and throw a prelude engine in it, and it'll slaughter everything discussed in this thread for a mere fraction of the cost, and in pretty much every catagory of performance.
I mean you can buy a 90's civic hatch, gut it, and throw a prelude engine in it, and it'll slaughter everything discussed in this thread for a mere fraction of the cost, and in pretty much every catagory of performance.
07-03-2005, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
53 horsepower doesnt mean squat when your car is wider than most SUV's and weighs in nearly two tons.
and you are correct rx8, it is a honda civic with a cheap body kit put on, but at least it's remotely well proportioned and has good understated styling compared to the...well...not so well proportioned eclipse.
Not.
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07-04-2005, 11:22 AM
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hmmM this Dose not LOOK good for the 4g Mitsubishi Eclipse HALTS !!!!Click here for it !
07-04-2005, 04:01 PM
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hmmM this Dose not LOOK good for the 4g Mitsubishi Eclipse HALTS !!!!Click here for it !
OUCH! That can't be good at all.
07-04-2005, 08:48 PM
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Ouch, indeed. Almost as embarrassing as Mazda having to offer to buy back our cars right after they were introduced.
Almost every new car has teething problems that first year. NO company is immune to it.
Almost every new car has teething problems that first year. NO company is immune to it.
07-05-2005, 06:26 AM
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Nice breaking news on the brief halt...welcome to three weeks ago.
PS: The problem has already been addressed.
PS: The problem has already been addressed.
P.S. just because the problem has been addressed doesn't mean the problem never happened. who knows what's next!
07-05-2005, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugatu
It's new here on this forum, buddy. It's obvious you'll defend the Eclipse no matter what since 80% of the whopping 27 posts you have are defending Mitsu's latest.
P.S. just because the problem has been addressed doesn't mean the problem never happened. who knows what's next!
P.S. just because the problem has been addressed doesn't mean the problem never happened. who knows what's next!
All first year cars have problems, I'm here to point that out.
07-05-2005, 02:18 PM
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^yawn..well since everyone is aware of issues with new cars and everyone agrees new cars have "teething problems"...why teh blantant attack on the 8 in your post? just curious.....seems childish. also i get 17.8 mpg.adn have never flooded. mpg can be attributed to the driver as much or more than to the car..same goes for flooding.
so if you are going to bash at least come up with something good :p
so if you are going to bash at least come up with something good :p
07-05-2005, 02:30 PM
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I was considering the RX-8 as a new car (that's why I initially signed up), but aside from it's tremendous balance and slick exterior, I felt the car was a bit lacking in the power dept.
I used to be a 2G eclipse owner, and the relentless Mitsu bias, just gets old, so I felt like giving the good sides to the perpetual bad story that is Mitsu.
I think the 8 is an awesome ride, and if a MS version hits, there's a good chance that I'll pick it up.
But I felt as though Mugatu was just sniping, without being constructive, so I sniped back. I admit, it was a bit childish...
I used to be a 2G eclipse owner, and the relentless Mitsu bias, just gets old, so I felt like giving the good sides to the perpetual bad story that is Mitsu.
I think the 8 is an awesome ride, and if a MS version hits, there's a good chance that I'll pick it up.
But I felt as though Mugatu was just sniping, without being constructive, so I sniped back. I admit, it was a bit childish...
07-05-2005, 02:34 PM
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hehe no biggie it is the internet after all..hehe everyone is allocated 10 childish moments per day :D
i never really messed around with any of teh eclipses..but i do dig the evo....but i dunno if i could have it for a daily driver it's interior and comfort are lacking...but it's got performance to spare. too bad mitsu wont' do the same for the current gen eclipse
i never really messed around with any of teh eclipses..but i do dig the evo....but i dunno if i could have it for a daily driver it's interior and comfort are lacking...but it's got performance to spare. too bad mitsu wont' do the same for the current gen eclipse
07-06-2005, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LNWLF
Nice breaking news on the brief halt...welcome to three weeks ago.
PS: The problem has already been addressed.
PS: The problem has already been addressed.
07-06-2005, 01:58 PM
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:(
I don't care how it looks or performs. Bottom line the eclipse, new or older gen. is simply a girl's car(just like the celica), and I will remind anyone if I ever see some dumbass kid who thinks he's too fast too furious driving one.
Guys you shouldn't be driving one unless you're either a metrosexual or batting for the wrong team.
my two cents
Guys you shouldn't be driving one unless you're either a metrosexual or batting for the wrong team.
my two cents
