G-man

Well, all of these are excellent points. Here are my thoughts. The Momo Steering Wheel feels more like plastic than leather, the Recaros are cheap cloth the dash and door panels might as well be made out of cardboard, but if you allow yourself to wander "into the zone" on a twisty mountain road (like 3 of the Car and Driver 10 Best Roads within 30 minutes of here) then you will see where the EVO shines.

As far as realibility, who cars. It comes with a full factory warranty, so what do I care. Also, I rately keep a car more than 15,000 miles, so it will likely be someone else problem.

The 19psi is a real issue for me. The Porsche 911 Turbo only makes 12psi. Even the X-50 option only ramps that engine to 18psi max. This car is routinely remapped to 21psi all the way to red line by the tuners!!!! OH MAN! That is way too high to suit me... but I will drive it like I stole it, sell in within a year, buy 2 new Recaro Child Seats and a 2005 RX-8.

G-man

Mine was Red/Black 6Speed GT package. Car is available at Duncan Mazda in Blacksburg, VA. See Steve Price for a great deal. Tell him Gordon Miller sent you.

G-man

Well, you know what they say "Opinions are like @ssholes, everybody's got one".

If you have been tracking the traffic on this forum you will find that all 10 of the issues that I brought up were raised by OTHER memebers of this forum at various times over the last few months. All I have done is consolidate them here and when you add up a number of those reasons, it makes you think about what Mazda was thinking. When the EVOLV was done, the rear seats actually had integrated rear child seats on both sides just like some of the current minivans today. That would have been nice.

As far as you telling me what to do with my money, my kids or my car buying dollars... you clearly don't have any kids so you have no room to talk or any frame of reference. If you were local, I would kick your @ss! Oh, yeah you are local. Ok, go get your RX-8 and we can settle this once and for all, the EVO is downstairs! Oh, that's right, you are still waiting for your RX-8... too bad.

G-man

Let me see if I can put it into perspective for those of you without kids. I have owned a lot of exotic stuff over the last 3-4 years and my oldest son is now 3.5 years. He has ridden in my NSX, C4S, Miata, 911 Turbo, M3 Convertible. Since he has inherited my "need for speed", as I did from my father, he enjoys coming along for a ride. His brother is now over a year and wants to come along to satisfy his need for speed too. Of course, my wife would like to get out of the house from time to time to have a fun ride. So, performance is still important no matter if the kids are in the car or I am all alone.

Anyone who has ever been on a 4 hour+ trip with 2 kids under the age of 4 will not have to ask why the layout of the doors, access to the kids, safety and view out the window are important. I have even put the kids in the back of the 911, but that was not fun at all.

I think the RX-8 is a sexy and technology rich car. I just think that Mazda took their eye off the ball just a bit when they lost sight of the fact that part of their market was supposed to be the 30-40 years old family men like me that want a practical everday sports car that not only recognizes that you have a family, but responds to your needs to further reinforce continued brand loyalty to Mazda.

Toadman

/me scratches head profusely

Isn't that an intended target demographic of the RX-8? At what point specifically do you think they lost sight? It's obviously a godsend for rotary enthusiasts who now have families. It's a rotary, and it's a 4-door! What do you think is lacking for mass appeal?

zoom44

Gordon make sure you read thru this if you haven't already. it's sort of the walkaround guide to the evo(originally posted here by Grimace, where the hell are you Grimmy?) anyway the last couple of pages talk about maintenance issues that you should be aware of. i know you can afford it but you don't want to slack on the maintenance because you weren't informed. good luck with the car

RX-Nut

Iz all gud... hope you are enjoying your EVO..

$30K is an awesome price.. considering dealers here wont sell it for under $39K. Last two I saw go, sold at 39-42.. go figure.

I will hold my judgement on the EVO... don' be hatin.. haha

Congrats!

Keeper

You've never owned a Mitsubishi before have you? While their reliability reputation is worse than it actually is, their warranty service is somewhat lacking.

As far as the engine in the Evo, you shouldn't have any problems with it. It's the same block used in the 1st & 2nd generation eclipse GS-Ts and GSX's with a much better internals -- the old Eclipses are known for being able to run at insane boost levels without spending gobbs of money building them up.

What you will want to watch out for is the drivetrain ...

rxtreme

iTrader: (1)

Well, in that case, it probaby won't make much difference for you. However, if your EVO has to spend a large portion of its time while under your ownership in the dealer maintenance bay being fixed, I imagine you might get annoyed after a while. Not saying it will happen, but in case it did. I know at least one FD owner who was always pissed because his car was always getting serviced. After his warranty ran out, well, then he was really pissed.

RX-Hachi

G-man, congrats on getting the EVO. Nothing wrong with that, its a cool car, but you have me puzzled.

If you have a 911 TT, M3, NSX and other hot machinery, why even consider the EVO or RX-8? Did you suddenly lose your shirt? Bad investments, stocks go bust, or just adjusting life's priorities - what gives?

If I could afford a 911 TT, but needed 4 doors, I'd be looking at something like an E55 AMG, M5, or RS6.

jtimbck2

As a matter of fact I read his post carefully, more than once, and I made no "assumptions". My comments were based on this:

I know it wasn't really Gordon's intention to attempt to turn people against the RX-8, but I'm also sure I wasn't the only person to get that impression from his post, and I just wanted to point that out. I've been in touch with him since, and there are no hard feelings (which is good, since I pass him occasionally going to and from work -- he lives down the road from me and his company is in the building across the parking lot from where I work).

Gordon doesn't need you or anyone else to defend him. He's a big boy.

BRx8

my bad, jtimbck2, i had no idea that you two knew each other and were just kidding around...please accept my apology

Digisan

LOL, nice

MaRX8

I didn't say all the rules applied to just you, I'm just saying that these are reason why people change there mind. I wasn't saying that you couldn't afford the car. How do I know how much you make... But it is true that people put deposits on a cars with a rush to judgement, and turn around and realise it doesn't fit in their budget.

roachman

G-man,

I have looked at the M3 and 911 myself! I have two daughters 6-4. I had a Boxster, but the two seater did not work (even as a third car) (I want to go , No I want to go sendrome).

What do you not like about the M3 or 911 (besides you already had them :o). I would be very interested in your opinion. I want the next car to be my primary not the third car.

I has come down to a 1999 Porsche 911 or the RX8 for me. I can get the 1999 911 for ~40K.

Thanks G-man,
Roachman

boowana

Patience is a virtue that often is rewarded...:o

mazdarx8

Not to get in the middle of anything. But, I would be concerned about the resale of any Mitsubishi product. After having owned a Eclipse GT, I bought the convertible GT. Now only 15 months later the value has plummed by about $12K. While the car is nice, the cost to drive this vehicle is very high when you try to get rid of it.
I guess it is all the promos they have. Whilte the EVO is unique, I think you will see promos on these before the RX8s

I do not have the same concern for Mazda Rotary cars.

Having owned a 78, 80, 86, and two 1993s. I have broken even or made money trading to other cars.

I have been fortunate and have paid sticker or less than sticker for each of the rotaries. My RX8 was recently ordered at 1700 off sticker. It was a great deal from someone who wanted my 1993 rx7 with 27k miles. Sold the rx7 and made out okay on the new purchase.

Supercharger

G-man,

Please report any problem you have with your Evo in this forum.
Thanks.

rx-7~rx-8

G-Man EVO is nice .. good choice. The rx-8 is not crazy fast ... but fast , but every car has it's own appeal. Some have performance, others may have looks. 350Z, RX-8, Sti, EVO. There all tyte rides.

cueball

Hey G-Man congratulations. If the car makes you happy then go with it.

The one thing I am curious about it what u do. Your name would make you thing your work for the government, but i doubt most government employies make enough coin for the cars you have. You don't have to say if you don't want to, I am just the curious type.

Hercules

He wants to know so he can do something similar and make the mucho deniro

Superfan

G Man makes alot of Robert Deniro's?

Hercules

Of course! He is a movie agent!

*wink*

cueball

Thats one of the reasons.

eclps0

i will never buy another mitsu ever again. My 2001 eclipse gt has had over 50 probs in two years it just turned two yaers 15 days ago. it has rust every on the body panels its my first car and my last mitsu ever. i was going to go buy a mitsu evo but with all the problems with my mitsu i will never even look at there new line up of cars.