captain mercury

haha, that will never happen.

whats your basis? sounds like a good old redneck texan hootin an hollerin an firin off his six-shooter to me. yea, sounds like an assanine stereotype

zoom44

no way in hell any automaker settles this. also no way in hell any automaker will let it get to court. just the pre-trial motions could take so long and cost so much that you could bankrupt the calfornia government.

my first thought about this was they will try to use the "tobacco suit/settlement" angle. he's hoping that that model will work. and this morning on th elocal radio i heard them make that exact comparison WHICH IS LAUGHABLE at best. the dj guy even said " sure they know what they're doing JUST LIKE those tobacco companies."

ridiculous.

understand this is what they will have to prove in court(and just what this AG is hoping for the chance to improve his image by argueing this)

he will have to PROVE in a court of law that there IS global warming. He will spend 10 years just trying to do that and not succeed
he will have to PROVE in a court of law that this change IS HARMING or WILL HARM
his state. he'll never get to this point
He will have to PROVE the expense of those damages. im sure he'll have some experts willing to name a dollar amount(which will be how much they would charge to "fix" the damage or at least study a fix)
He will have to PROVE the autos contribute to that change AND how much the contribution to that change is. which will just prove there are others that contribute way more
He will have to prove the automakers are somehow LIABLE for this when they have been following the Federal and STATE regulations regarding those emissions(and in many cases EXCEEDING those regs). which while doing so he will just prove that there are others way more culpable- like the state of california for building the roadways and allowing this to occur. not just allowing it but ENCOURAGING it.

he said himself he's looking for hundreds of millions in damages. so he'll spend a couple billion trying to get a what? 500 million?

ridiculous

zoom44

this lawsuit, for starters.

captain mercury

well said. i simply dont believe this is going anywhere.

two rotors

If they(government of the state of California)wish to cut emissions all they need to do is increase the tax on gasoline and diesel fuels,say $2 a gallon.

Rx-A-Ho

I have been a Cali resident for roughly half my life or ~16 years. I have seen more stupid legislation and ultra-liberal BS come out of our government then I wish to admit too.

1. This lawsuit is asinine.

2. If Cali really cared about reduced emission then don't you think they would try to get people off their car dependencies? Reducing emissions will only go so far what they need to do is get cars off the road. This state has non-existent public transportation.

3. You see great legislation about various public service people getting insane pension retirement benefits (thanks Gray Davis).

4. Workman’s Comp. that does not require satisfactory medical examinations and recommendations cost business untold millions. (Thanks again Davis)

5. Bills to dump more and more money into schools but due to legislative overhead $$/child continues to decrease.

6. Billions lost to illegal immigrants and the public services we provide them.

7. Unnecessary gun bans. Banning guns that are never even used in crimes. This does not make anyone safer. It just reduces liberties. And for the record I am not even a gun fan.

We can go on and on. Is California progressive and setting precedence? Yes. Do a lot of other states try to follow suit? Yes. Do we need some sanity in government and our ultra-liberal ways? YES.

Let's not even start debating Global Warming. They still can't prove this exists, but all you ever hear about is that it does. Many, many respectable (even more respectable than the ones you here in Gore's camp) do not believe humans have impact on Global Warming and some don't even believe in Globla warming period. The masses are too brainwashed to even discuss this topic subjectively.

Rx-A-Ho

They need to provide and incentive and method to get around without autos. Increasing the tax will only make it harder to live in Cali. You cannot live in Cali without a car PERIOD. It is a necesity not a option. They have reduced emissions to the point they cannot go much lower so they either need to go all electric and/or reduce the # of cars. And hybrids are not the answer.

flomulgator

Zoom, I'm guessing the CA state attorneys office does not have an Omsbudsman? Still, if he's trying to get elected to something he's just doing something sleazy that many lawyer-politicians do, which is file a case that defines your stance on an issue as a form of "public statement." This also means it has no teeth and was never meant to go anywhere to start with.

Oh, and I'm related to lawyers so lets please not follow this comment up w/ any overarching lawyer bashing, it sounds just as assinine as stereotyping CA or TX.

Also, for those of you that don't know this CA has special dispensation on emmision laws that was granted by the federal government because back in the 70's b/c CA beat the feds to the first emmisions regs, and in the tangle that insued CA came out w/ the ability to create their own laws that superceded federal law. No other state has this ability but they can follow suit once CA has done it, thus the follow the leader situation. That and CA has 20% of the US population.

I might have gotten some of that a little bit off if someone remembers that better please correct me.

flomulgator

RX-A-Ho

I am a climate scientist. I will tell you all you ever need to know about Global Warming and prove that it exists w/ no political spin whatsoever. Just ask nicely.

captain mercury

i think that is it exactly.

Rx-A-Ho

I would like to hear to be honest. I am an engineer myself and appreciate facts and arguments supported by them. I hate the supposed evidence, or lack, provided by the media. And shoot from the hip correlations and interpretations. No matter the stance.

To me global warming has become a lot like the second hand smoke fiasco. If you read the actual report from the EPA and dig into the data you find something completely different from what the media/politicians/actors tell you. You find there is insignificant statistical evidence that second hand smoke has any harmful effects. This was even a ruling by a federal judge and the report was thrown out. But zealots got a hold of it and turned it into a circus. But I digress.

I would be more than happy to hear. I do not consider myself very knowledgeable on the subject which is one of the reasons I am skeptical of the people that yell the loudest.

bascho

The most important thing you can learn from a research study is who paid for it. Since you can usually prove or disprove anything.....the only thing that matters is who paid. Usually research studies are funded by someone that is going to make some money off the outcome......an outcome usually biased towards their business in some way.

flomulgator

Just PM'd you because of large length (took a while). You can post to community if you want. Here is picture that wouldn't attach to PM

Clavius

RotaryGod you see my comment previously about the automakers just selling their base models in v4 form only in CA. If they dont have ***** to just pull out of the state they might to just selling pure baseline models.

Though I like how everyone says "liberal" which is usualy tagged to Democrats yet ya have Republican poster non-girly man Arnold as Govenor, why hasnt he repealed those laws if Rep (mostly) dont like them.

Again if CA Government thinks the Automakers arnt doing enough intentionaly they should just create their own car company and sell the cars that "meet" their standards. And also yet again instead of suing them give the car companies incentives to meet these ultra low emissions.

Bah wish I lived in CA.. I'd find the AG and give him a switf kick in the nuts and call him a dumbass

bascho

I don't think any production vehicles have V4 engines. I think GM experimented with a V4 back in the 70's......but typically 4-cylinders engines are I4 (In-line 4).

rotarygod

Arnold is on the liberal side of the Republican party. Many Replublicans don't like him either. Everyone knows that he won because he is a celebrity anyways. As I said earlier, with California it's all about image.

rotary crazy

is california atorney general Hugo Chavez?

Clavius

Oh I'm sure you've heard of this but had to comment on in openly.
Some have speculated that our current warming is attributed to Earths natural cycle. Forget which discovery channel/history channel (not sure which) had a documentry on this but a scientist is researching this and has already noted a 10 year period that has been documented which seen world wide droughts due to excessive heat. Personaly I believe in it somewhat, I just think we've been excelerating the warming that naturaly occurs. Volcano's urupt all the time and in the past that has been the leading cause of heat waves in some areas as it keeps the head down to the ground. 'eh I'm bored right now lol

rotary crazy

as I remember before every ice age theres a jump in temperature

zoom44

volcanic activity is linked with COOLING periods not warming periods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

yes yes it wikipedia- but its currently the best and most thorough synapsis of the LIA

Clavius

Whoops.. so used to the V yanno ><!
But you get my point though... for those cars with motor options just sell the baseline model thats all.

flomulgator

Clavius, Zoom44, you are both right. Volcanic eruptions can both cool and heat the atmosphere, it just depends at the duration of time you are looking at and the style of the eruption. Volcano is a catch-all term that encompasses many different eruptions that cause many different things. I can get more specific if you want. However, Zoom44 is right more of the time and the cooling effect is more noticeable on a human time scale.

bascho

I knew what you meant.....just thought I'd kick some knowledge. Not everyone knows everything about all engines like I do j.k

flomulgator

oh, and screw the I4, punish them with the I3!!!!

Clavius

Nah screw them even more and have CA be the first State to only sell Smart Cars Imagine a drive by in Compton in that thing bwahahahaha...

And your right Zoom its mainly cooling but it does trap heat for awhile just like our good ole scientist here pointed out lol..