Originally Posted by rotten42

I saw this translation on another web site:


I'll do a translation of the article (the BMW part).



In this group of radical cars, the M3 emerged quickly as the voice of reason. The extremist voices of the Porsche and the GT-R are just not present in the M3. It never shouts, utters complaints, or makes any unbecoming demands. Road and tire noise are subdued, the fabric-covered seats are perfect, and there is a back seat and a real trunk. But even with those attributes, the M3 doesn’t skimp on supercar performance. It just happens to be dressed in a polished and practical package.

Translation: The M3's pretty boring, but I'll wrap it around some bullshit to make it look awesome.



Even without the optional adjustable electronic dampers, our M3 test car displayed a better ride-and-handling compromise than either the 911 or the GT-R. Handling, both on the track and public roads, matched the GT-R in our individual scoring. But the M3 goes about its business differently. The GT-R steamrolls the tarmac into submission in an eerie sort of way; the M3 allows the driver to use the car as an instrument. Not many cars can play the road—the car world has more fakers than a middle-school band concert.

Translation: The last gen M3, we accepted the rough ride because it gave us great handling. But now that BMW have softened up, we'll spin it so it's a positive and bash the harder rides of the other cars.



As one test driver put it, “The M3 is the car that the driver has the most control over.” Oversteer, understeer, and neutrality are all on the M3’s résumé, but they’re dependent on the driver’s inputs. The chassis has no surprises, no snap reactions, no bad habits—even midcorner bumps are sopped up without drama. Strong brakes have excellent initial bite and didn’t fade even after many, many laps. The BMW’s lap time lagged 1.5 seconds behind the 911 Turbo’s, but that translates to an average speed throughout the lap that was only 0.3 mph slower than the far more powerful Porsche. Thus the BMW, though suffocated by the thin air at 4200 feet, managed to make up most of the difference by cornering faster.

Translation: The BMW is so underpowered I can't get it to do stupid stuff! The GT-R kicked my ***, so I'll just compare to the 911.



Unlike the heavyweights, the BMW feels smaller the harder it is driven. Part of that feel is due to light steering, but the importance of having the lowest mass and the narrowest width also plays a huge role.

Translation: We used to bitch out all the AMG cars for light steering, but now that our *********** have that problem, well... it's no longer a problem!



It is immediately obvious (especially at altitude) that the M3 isn’t as quick as its turbocharged competition, but 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds is nothing to scoff at, either (other M3s we’ve tested have been slightly quicker). A naturally aspirated 4.0-liter V-8 can’t deliver the massive torque of the blown sixes, but the M3 delivers its 414 horsepower in a linear and consistent manner from idle to its 8300-rpm redline. No lurching, no drama, no sudden explosions of boost. And the sound the BMW V-8 makes is due a Grammy. It’s a V-8 note not often heard outside racetracks, while the Nissan and the Porsche both sound as though they could wear a Dyson label.

Translation: zZzZzZzZ



If you’ll overlook the now cliché complaints about the iDrive control system and the car’s light steering, the M3 didn’t draw any negative words in its logbook. And the iDrive gripe is easily solved by not ordering the $2100 optional navigation system.

Translation: If you ignore all the problems, we have no problems! What a concept!

Seriously, what a fucked up review haha.

Originally Posted by playdoh43

this was yesterday on I495 MD, looks like they are starting to pop up now in the wild

Originally Posted by playdoh43

rolling start is the standard on nurburgring for manufacture lap times. everything else you said are just groundless rumors of "he said she said", guess what? I heard from my roomates sister that the gt-R on that day was running NOS yo!

It would go a long way toward legitimizing your claim if you can actually provide proof from a respectables publication about this statement. If what you say were anything remotely legit, the likes of autoblog, leftlane news, world car fan etc would have been all over it

Originally Posted by Stephan Wilkinson

The GT-R is the blind date everybody’s been telling you about for months: incredible body, second in her class at Harvard, fabulous conversationalist, star athlete. Then you meet her. Yes, she has obvious “assets,” but nobody mentioned the halitosis. She graduated with a B.A. in accounting. She’s a great conversationalist, but her voice sounds like run-flat tires with three-inch sidewalls running over a concrete-aggregate rumble and tar-strip slap. She's an athlete, but a grunting shot-putter, not a Sharapova. In short, the GT-R is SO not a supermodel.

Originally Posted by Icemark

Okay... here you go:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the...ng-lap-record/

And no, standing starts are the standard there... Only people with something to hide (like the Nissan in this case) do the flying starts. Perhaps you should visit there sometime, that would clear up your mis-conception on that.

and

Originally Posted by Icemark

And I would hardly say the three links there are indicative of anything since two of the three, are not even real production car manufactures. So again, if you want your car to look better than it really is, you fake it with a flying start, and claim a great lap time.

And I believe the Nissan Engineer a lot more than the Renault/Nissan of Europe PR company.

Originally Posted by playdoh43

These videos are of production cars, there are tons more videos out there of manufacturer laps, Ive provided 3 because I am too lazy to look for more. They did not fake anything, thats why they have a video. If you are going to call a flying start "fake" then its up to you, I could care less. Its not going to change the fact that fly start is standard for manufactuere laps, everyone does it. lol Ive provided proof that its the standard, what have you provided? Nothing.

so this blogger you are quoting can't even get the fact that flying laps are standard for manufacturer laps on the ring, there is no grounds for legitimacy in all his other unreferenced claims. Its s joke that you are sweating this guy

Originally Posted by Icemark

when you actually have been there, and can honestly report that the flying lap is the way, then feel free to call me on it.

As I have been there for BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Renault, GM and Ford runs and there was only one of those using flying starts.

You can call BS on my posts all you want. One of us knows better and its not the one who got a name from a child's toy.

and I don't really get why you are stressing over this.. I merely pointed out that there are several articles saying the same thing, provided links to one of them, and said that I am not surprised that the GT-R is not everything that the Fanbois say it is. I am sure it is a nice car (be it ugly as sin and 1000 lbs overweight), but back to the OP, the car is just not in the same class as the M3 or the 911. No wonder it didn't win.

You can put a candle in a pile a dog **** and call it a Birthday cake, but it doesn't change the fact that it is just a candle in a pile of crap.