Globetrahter

They did another test and now its faster with Motor Trend

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/

"At 2747 pounds, the BRZ is 160 pounds heavier than the 2012 Mazda MX-5 Miata Special Edition hardtop, but offsets the added weight with an extra 33 hp. In other words, the Subaru's weight-to-power ratio of 13.7 pounds per pony betters the Mazda's 15.5. Unsurprisingly, the BRZ, which measures 9.4 inches longer and around 2 inches wider and taller than the Miata, proved a hair quicker, scooting from 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds (versus the Miata's 6.5) and through the quarter mile in 14.9 at 95.5 mph (versus 15.0 at 90.2).

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1203_2013_subaru_brz_limited_first_test/viewall.html#ixzz1qKV5PXnS"



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The news site tried out the manual version that completed the 0 to 60mph (96km/h) sprint in 7.3 seconds (7.0 seconds from a 1-foot rolling start) and the quarter mile run (400m) in 15.3 seconds with an exit speed of 92.1mph (148km/h).
Edmunds notes that the BRZ did considerably better on the slalom (69.1mph or 111.2km/h), the skid pad (0.92g) and in braking (114 feet to stop from 60mph), beating the 2013 Hyundai Genesis in all three tests (67.4mph, 0.89g and 116 feet respectively), and the 2011 Ford Mustang GT in all but braking (67.3mph, 0.91g and 109 feet respectively).

RIWWP

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https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...53#post4219653



As I said in the other thread, I'm not really shocked that a car that has the same weight as the 8 but with less peak power AND less power under the curve is a slower accelerating car.

I'm more surprised that other people thought physics wouldn't apply

bulletproof21

^ I thought it was several hundred pounds lighter, 2800 lbs actually. Same weight as S200 with 40 less horses so I would think 0-60 in 6-6.5 which is probably what some of the mags will get when they beat the hell out of it.

nycgps

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but hey, people will still "think" and "feel" that BRZ is super fast while the RX-8 can barely beat a Geo Metro. Just like how Civic SI people think their car is just a bit slower than a Ferrari when they barely have more than 200 hp.

and of course no one will post questions like "Is a Camry faster than my BRZ?" on BRZ forums. unlike some morons on rx8club.com ...

Rx8vsMalibu

I feel like every review I read about this car tries to emphasize that it is not focused on acceleration and power, but on handling.

The RX8 took a lot of crap for "lacking power." Even journalists have written that we would have a hard time overtaking a camry on the freeway.

WTF?

nycgps

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it just shows what "haters gonna hate" truly means ... (rotary engine)

TeamRX8

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The RX-8 had a lot of positive press until all the issues and problems showed up coupled with the de-tune and the mileage realities. In factory form it never delivered on its potential, that is a fact

Those numbers are not what I was expecting given all the premature ejaculation that was going on in advance. Maybe they will all stfu now .....

Spin9k

Another media darling 'drivers car' about to face the reality of what the car buying public actually wants - lots of torque (opps!), lot's of advertised HP (opps!), big like a tank to protect them (opps!)

77mjd

I've got the feeling that once the initial wave of demand is met on the BRZ, it will be a total flop after that. Face it, in everyday driving for most people, handling won't matter that much when most driving is done on a freeway or through town. This car will face the same crap and criticism the 8 did. The lack of power and torque will quickly turn people off.

BJP

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I saw that BRZ at the Chicago Auto Show and I got to tell you that I wasnt that impressed. And it really sucks for Scion because their new sports car is nothing more than a rebadged BRZ!

minox2109

The BRZ and 86/scion are a little different they have minor differences... The Scion is suppose to be setup more sporty than the BRZ... It also wouldnt make any sense if the two companies didnt bothe sell the car since they both made it... the brz is pointless without an awd turbo ver...

confuzdbycloudz

AWD drive will never go into this car and would ruin the whole concept of this car. If a person wants a awd and turbo buy the wrx or sti or evo. If a person wants a car that goes like hell in a straight line there is the mustang, camaro, genesis coupe. The only other car on the market right now is the Miata which is a two seater convertable which can be a put off to some people. Really the closest car to the BRZ is the Rx-8 so I would expect people on this forum to at least like it or give it a chance.

Also if you read the reviews the reason the 0-60 times are slower is that Subaru didn't get sucked into gearing a car just so that time looks good. The car has to make three shifts to hit 60. Its the same reason the WRX is just as fast as the STi to 60.

I for one love the idea of this car. But didn't want to track/autocross a brand new car so I went with the Rx-8.

Footman

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The FR-S has stiffer springs, softer shocks.
The BRZ has stiffer shocks, softer springs.

confuzdbycloudz

Here is a review by a subaru tuner.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2331968

alnielsen

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Biased review, he wants to sell you **** for the car. Of course it drives like no other Subaru he's ever driven. Subaru hasn't ever made, to my knowledge, a rwd car. I've owned 4 all were awd or fwd.

Spin9k

Something that crosses my mind everytime a read a BRZ/FRS review is that these people are reacting like they'd driven an RX-8 for the 1st time. Except that I wager most have never, and would diss the idea of the RX-8 anyway. I think that emotions about a brand/image is 50-90% of the battle to success. If you convince people beforehand something is inherently a great handling car, then give it to them to try, they extol the virtues til the cows come home.

Alternatively, if they perceive a car as strange, offbeat, whatever - then they'll never even try it, or will find things not to like about it no matter it's actual goodness.

Strong marketing to the widespread audience (and long drawn out introduction cycles) makes a huge difference in how a car is perceived.

ShinkaEvo

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With crappy performance like scion tc, they were able to sell it, not gonna be surprise if they can do it with the BRZ/86 too. Mazda needs to find a way to market rotary instead of just zoom zoom...

9krpmrx8

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Scion's sell because they are cheap and have options that youngsters who don't know what real performance is want.

TeamRX8

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I'm guessing you must have bought one ...

ShinkaEvo

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The word is "marketing", fyi.

9krpmrx8

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I'm not young Unfortunately

9krpmrx8

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Yep. It looks like the STI version is a go but it won't be turbocharged, just a bit of tweaking to the NA motor.



I wish our oil filter was located like this

Velocity

I think it's funny when RX-8 owners hate on the BRZ/FRS. The RX-8 is probably the most similar car the the BRZ/FRS. Both basically known for "superior handing, RWD, under-powered" Should I mention that the auto BRZ gets similar MPGs as a 2008 civic while achieving a 0-60 time similar to an RX-8???

I love both cars. And will own both

The point: Don't hate on a car over something a simple aftermarket kit will fix overnight...

9krpmrx8

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There is no hate, it's just my opinion. And my 8 will destroy a BRZ/FT86 (well once my turbo is done being upgraded)

TeamRX8

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my angst is aimed at the bench racing dreamers who masturbated their e-pp raw before any real world specs or data was out

the car I like, to me it looks like a 350Z/IS350/RX8 all rolled up in one and it will likely be a home run