Globetrahter

So I was at H-E-B and reading magazine and they are finally testing the "twins" and I ran across this...don't know how much is new etc but here... I can't wait for someone to compare it and test it against the 8, Of course I know it will get better MPG but no figures yet



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Globetrahter

Ehh, I should have made the pics smaller but whatever

TALAN7

All of the RX8s goodness, none of it's foibles.
Almost as if Mazda seeing this coming down the pike stopped making the RX8 just so there wouldn't be any comparisons. If these cars sell, and they decide to make convertible versions then even the mighty MX5 may be vulnerable.

TALAN7

I might look at one. I've been using my 8 as a daily driver for many years to my chagrin. But, to have the 8s driving style in a car that undoubtedly will be more reliable, have better gas mileage, and most likely will be more tunable, could be just the ticker. I need to see how much room is in the back seat. I have a 5 yo. He needs to be able to fit in the back for at least the next 5 years.

Globetrahter

O Yeah for sure, I have an 8 year old and maybe a baby seat soon. Im not so much worried about that as were about to get a TSX soon. Honestly I like the RX8, no issues yet, but my daily drive is 50 miles a day, more now that coach pitch is about to start and that 16MPG is not cutting it. So Ill look at this and the Mazdaspeed3

Globetrahter

O and the 8 is also my current driver as well

monchie

Can't wait to test drive the Subaru BRZ. Just to drive it, and see how it handles, but not buy it...yet. Thanks for showing it though.

comebackqid

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PROOF that there needs!!! to be another RX car!!!

alnielsen

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While the magazine isn't listed, it does look familiar. Which one is it?

Chris_Bangle

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A good comparison, understeer can probably be dialed out by swapping sway bars.

At the end of the day, car mags can sing all the odes to handling and feedback they want but imho consumers will have a tough time buying a car that is slower than your avg family grocery getter. The failure of the Gt 86 / BRZ in terms of sales may put the final nail into the coffin of the affordable "enthusiast geared" sports car (light, rwd & lsd).

Hope I am wrong.

TALAN7

The problem is this you get what you pay for mentality as if to say if it's gotta be affordable, it's gotta be slow (I don't think they're slow, but could use more powerrrrrrr). They could've easily put another 20-30 hp in the BRZ/GT 86. imo they should be doing 0-60 in under 6 flat. Family sedans do that these days.

Globetrahter

I totally forgot the magazine, I know it had to be one of the top magazine but I know that Car and Driver, and Road and Track I think have test drove the car and it might be on their websites as well.

Also, I agree more power

altspace

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It's the March issue of Automobile. I got it last week and was surprised to read the RX-8 comparison. Still, the RX-8 is much more unique in its' own way.

olddragger

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imho they missed the boat with this car. Its a shame it surely had potential.
The suspension is not nearly as well designed as ours, the functionality is not nearly as good, the useable rpm band is much less, what torque? it has less than the 8's? 170 hp on the dyno, skinny tires and not room for much larger ones.
I like the overall layout of the chassis/engine and the weight is good, but that is about all I do like.
To offer a sportcar with those acceleration numbers (look at the 0-100 times) means it will not last. UNLESS they can bump up the rwhp to a 11 to 1 weight ratio it's doomed. It will not sell in big enough numbers. Plus two almost identical cars both trying to capture a fairly small market? Come on.
Let me ask yall--would you buy this over a 300hp v/6 new mustang? Or over the 345 hp genasis coupe?
Fail. They missed it.

Ianspeed

Thanks for posting. I've been thinking about that first boxter ever since the first BRZ/GT86 articles. That car worked out well for Porsche.

Yes I would (after seriously thinking about the Mustang). From a quick google:

BRZ MSRP: 24-27k
Mustang v6 MSRP: 23k
Genisis Coupe MSRP: 27k
Rx-8 Sport MSRP: 27k
Miata MSRP: 24k

It looks like the price will be right in the zone. HP/weight and HP/dollar isn't the only value in sportscars. Many customers won't sweat half a second slower 0-60 or max tire widths. Looks good, feel fast, makes a good noise? Sold.

I think this is going to be a win for Toyota and Subaru. Can't wait to see them at the local auto-x and track events.

zoom44

i dont like the genesis and i havent sat in a BRZ to compare against a Mustang. but isnt the Mustang much more money?

TALAN7

The 1st gen Porsche had lower hp numbers but remember we're talking Porsches so 3 things to consider. 1. People buy Porsches because they're Porsches, not because of power.
2. The Boxter was too expensive for the average Joe who wanted a performance car, and was really for those people who wanted an entry level Porsche, most of which were older and not looking for muscle.
3. In the 20-35 grand price range most performance cars are about as much power and performance as they can get because that's what the buyer in this class wants...bragging rights.
If this car is about finesse as I'm hearing it is, it can be lost on the intended audience if it doesn't have the power theyre looking for. Look at the 8. It never sold. Was it because of lack of reliability, low gas mileage or lack of power. I'm sure it was partially due to all 3, but if in its current form it made 290 hp and over 210 ft lbs, everything else being the same, I bet it would have sold a lot more.

Globetrahter

Well they said they will be coming out with a Turbo version later even after they confirmed that a turbo would not fit. Plus I was looking at what Dodge is doing with the Dart and those numbers looks good statistical wise kills the BRZ possibly.

I still think this car is a little cool but so far nothing has stopped me from changing my mine of getting a MS3 when I trade in my 8. I know Ill miss the oohs and ahhs I still see sometimes in my 8 but ehhh

olddragger

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I hear what yall are saying. The car has some very good qualitys but unless they up the power---again Fail.
I truely do not understand why companies produced a sports car and they dont even give it the power of their family sedans. Unless they do something quick, once the honeymoon is over, the sales will not come. I really hope they do up the power. It could be a great car.
The 2013 Genasis Coupe is a competitive contender with new suspension, 345 HP direct injection v/6 or a 290 hp turbo 4 cycl. Trans has been redone, brembro braking and interior upgraded. Weight is reasonable and it has a 10 yr 100K mile warranty. The new body design really looks good to me--I like the hood etc. It is going to be hard to beat for the money.

9krpmrx8

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I dunno, my co worker just bought a 2011 mustang GT 5.0 for $28k out the door. Would I rather have the BRZ/FRS over that? No. Would a Mustang GT 5.0 destroy a BRZ/FRS in every category? Yes.

Would I downgrade to a FWD MS3? Never. I only upgrade, not downgrade.

TALAN7

Hyundai is building their cars to sell which I like. That, coupled with a policy of fine tuning/improving in a short time, is a good recipe for sucess. Critics bashed the Veloster saying it was cool but too slow, Hyundai wastes no time announcing a turbo model. Look how quickly they improved the coupe.

Bladecutter

I'm looking forward to getting a good long look at the BRZ/Scion car, plus the new Genesis Coupe when they all hit the showroom floors.

I owned one of those 201 hp Porsche Boxsters, and loved the way it handled, sounded, and performed on my local road course. I love the way my RX-8 does on those same three categories, but the fuel mileage in comparison is atrocious, but you do get two extra seats, that are actually useable.

I can't really justify comparing the Mustang to these cars, because it is not a sports car, its a pony car, or a muscle car, depending on your point of view.

Look how high the center of gravity is, and how nose heavy the things are, even with the V-6 engine in it. It many hundreds of pounds heavier than all of these sports cars, for no good reason that I can think of. Its slower in the slalom, has a lower rating in lateral acceleration, and is sporting around on sloppier suspension bits front and rear. Why would I want to own and drive it, other than it having more power?

And for a car that's taller, wider and longer than the RX-8, the Mustang has less passenger room front and rear in just about every category.

So, I think I'd rather stick with the other cars listed over the Mustang.
Its not just about having more power.
Some of us live in areas where better handling is preferred.

I live in the foothills of the Rocky Mountains here in Denver.
I have great roads for cars that put a premium on handling over raw power.

Where do you live?

BC.