dillsrotary

And here in lies the problem, anything of this matter for sale on ebay is 99% of the time a universal kit, which means it will NOT bolt up to the rx8. Save the money.

ferg

you guys talking about all the DSC , my 8 dont even have it, i live in south florida so i dont need it as much i guess,

Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2

i never really had much problems with my dsc and spirited driving. i turned it off for track runs but i have to admit, my dsc saved me a few times. i guess some people jus go crazy all the time to leave it off all the time. i prefer to keep it on when jus driving, one the light annoys me

laythor

It's always xmas.. in my pants

To have the DSC impact your driving you need to be driving at a more aggressive pace then is safe for the streets.. Sorry, but you lose that argument any way you slice it. There is no reason to turn the DSC off while on a public street other then to show off your massive american *****.

Spending 1000 dollars for an intake and exhaust to gain a better sound is worth it to a lot of people. These are also mods that can be further used if the person decides to go FI.

Since I've actually been at dyno meets and seen before, during, and after runs with the AP then I'll have to once again call you a retard. A good map on the AP will add HP, it's not exactly rocket science to realize mazda puts a very conservative "map" in the car and playing with that can result in HP gains.

As far as you PM goes, I would welcome a ride with you in a parking lot. You can impress me with your driving skill and I'm sure I would enjoy it. But since you've posted about driving aggressively on the street I'm going to maintain my decision that you're an ***-hat and I hope you get many tickets for it.

jones75254

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LOL, thats classic.

Thought i was on a Honda forum for a minute there. I would expect something like this from some kid with a rice rocket. How old are you Moon?

Moon Assad

Im 30. I use sense in my driving in that I drive hard late at night. I dont take any risks that are outside my limits and use safty with respect to others on the road. My new 8 has no DSC as well. I'm glad so there's no need to disable it. I learned to drive in the snow 2 times the limit ( without anyone on the road) in a 350 hp sterion and I never put it in a ditch. How did you learn to drive, if you can and do you realize DSC doesn't effect ABS. Buy the way when my other car was totaled I wasn't doing any hard driving, I was cruzin just at or bellow the speed limit (DSC on) and the bastards that pulled out in front of me all had the same gold teeth, what can you do. As for the *** hat crap do you and Jeff have oral sex because I smell an Abrams. From the way you depend on your DSC it sounds like you cant drive unlike a granny. Do you have the nuts to get loose or are you dependant on DSC. Knowing how to drive dosnt require traction control. The same thing your talking about in that couple HP you want to get buy tweaking your NA motor has to do with tweaking the DSC, it comes from the factory very limiting on showing the cars TRUE potential. Just admit you have NO *****, I say it again, NO *****.

PotatoSoup

Ask any racer, any REAL racer, and they'll tell you how awesome 'ol Moon is. Have you people no respect? Bow to his skillz and massive bawls.

Really, writing that kind of nonsense is just a little sad for a 30 year-old. First, no one cares. Second, you bring shame to the RX-8 community.

CyberPitz

Why the hell would I need ***** unless I'm in a midlife crisis and feel the need to impress 16 year old kids in civics with my 1337 corner turning abilities? Sure, it's all awesome until you talk about "Living on the edge" on the street. You sir, are silly.

Moon Assad

Funny, all this over me telling someone that the brembos were a good investment if you like to drive your car hard and someone else saying that there not better then the stock ones. Then another chimming in and saying to invest in an exaust, tunner and intake. The guy was just asking about brakes dammit, not an intake and exaust and more HP. And you guys considering that stuff a better investment then better brakes, thats just stupid. You can always use better brakes, ask anyone who really races there car, not going out for there liscense on a track day. Im not sure were you guys get your info from or were your train of thought is. Thats like telling someone to buy a sterio system for there track car. Is it me being shamefull to the RX8 club, hell no, im pointing the guy in the rite direction. The only thing ive seen good was you can upgrade your stock brakes, well if the guy can get a set of brembos for cheaper then a brake upgrade kit, Im sure he found a better deal on the brembos. No wounder people come on here and only make 3 posts like the guy who started this thread.

Moon Assad

I dont hang with 16 year old kids. All my friends are older then me and have brains. I drive to just drive ( my street racing days are over). I plan on tracking my new car but only after I get it up to snuff (Blower, brembos, bigger shoes and a cooling solution to keep my engine temps under 200 so I dont need a motor every other summer, tranny cooler).

m477

Brembos won't make a difference as far as stopping power. There was an issue of SCC (or some other tuner mag) a while back where they had a project 300ZXTT. They outfitted the largest brembos possible on it and it barely had any effect on braking distance, and the stock brakes on the 8 are waaaay better than the Z32.

Honestly, you'd have to be doing some serious racing before a brake upgrade would actually make any sense. For the occasional track day, the stock brakes and pads are more than adequate.

PotatoSoup

I believe it. I have been a member of the Subaru Forester forum for quite some time and a popular mod there is to take STi Brembros and throw them on the XT.

There has been a lot of back and forth about perceived and actual benefits.

The general conclusion is that it's hard to beat any well-designed OEM brake system (i.e. RX-8) with an aftermarket BBK.

The easiest and most effective way to shorten stopping distances is with stickier tires.

Adding a BBK might give some better initial bite at high speeds or better fade resistance over a race, but might actually make things worse under street driving conditions.

The RX-8 has world-class brakes. Unless you have the resources and knowledge to COMPLETELY overhaul the RX-8's braking system (i.e. a race team), it's kinda silly to just buy an off-the-shelf kit.

Moon Assad

Not for me and probly not for the guy who only made 3 posts. In that mag did they do a flat out 100 to 0 or did they use the brakes for 10 minutes of drive like hell then stop more then 1 time and get some heat in them. Im talking laps.

Moon Assad

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The easiest and most effective way to shorten stopping distances is with stickier tires.

Adding a BBK might give some better initial bite at high speeds or better fade resistance over a race, but might actually make things worse under street driving conditions.

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I agree on #1 and 2 in the case of the brembos being any worse I must disagree, I noticed an improvement from the get go. I ordered them strait from brembo and they were balenced correctly for my car, thats why I told him to check the SR numbers of the brakes he was looking at vs the ones brembo sells for the 8. Also a plus over the stopping power over stock ive never had to change the pads in 40k, the stock ones were half worn at 10K when I changed them out. Theres just somthing about haveing 4 pistons with a flaoting disc that feels and works so much better vs only having 1 piston and a floating caliper.

Rote8

Uh, Moon,
Hands down the Brembo is better, but some of these guys would never need Brembo.....
Would they be able to drive close enough to that edge where the Brembo brakes would make a difference?

But as you said first, check the numbers to see if they will work before attempting anything with the brakes off a non-RX8.

Benjamz

Well, I am getting into time attack and I can tell you this. The stock brakes will exceed any driving you can throw at the car with non-r compound tires. If your doing winding roads and your constantly braking below the speed of 70mph the brakes are fine.

You really only need to upgrade when your above a hundred going into turns. Higher speed gets the rotors hot fast.

My stock brakes far exceeded my expectations. I would invest on better pads, steel bradied lines and better brake fluid before an upgrade.

But I am doing an upgrade that I will be offering to the public. It will have slotted and drilled 13.67 rotors and two back piston caliper instead of the one on the stock rx8 caliper. The back will also get a larger rotor but will keep the stock caliper.

For racing I use DSC because it really helps the car in hard corkscrew transitions and elavation changes. My car is also lowerd a little with some thick anti sway bars. This causes the car to have less roll and helps the DSC to kick in later. That means that I can push the car harder and faster before DSC kicks in due to less body roll like a stock RX8.

My brake kit will be out in a few months after I finish some more rx7 products I'm working on.

Ben
-Rotary Extreme

BlueEyes

If you can justify the intangible (feel, looks, etc) vs the price of a BBK. Go for it. Don't try to convince yourself to do it because of some marginal performance benefit realized under rare circumstances. It's just not necessary for a street car.

I have learned my lesson about pouring money into cars. I feel wasteful putting money into my and my friends dedicated race car. I feel down right stupid putting it into my street car.

Moon Assad

Nice, those might make a good combo for the brembo fronts. Have you ever seen a set of brakes bigger in the back then the front???

Moon Assad

I have that settup stock on my Isuzu VX. They work really nice for off roading. If you brake before you go into a turn you can start a counter steer and slide it sideways through the turn, when you get to the outside end of the turn you just put your foot to the floor and it tracks strait again. Once you get it down its a blast. As for your kit you might think of a biast settup, it would be sweet to get the same effect for the street.