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MazdaMonkey 05-24-2007 12:27 PM

BMW 135i Coupe?
 
If they make one and its affordable I will be very very impressed and actually consider buying a new BMW. I had a 1-series as a rental car in Amsterdam last year and the car was awesome even with a tiny engine.

(1st link has pics)
http://1addicts.com/forums/showthrea...=2701#post2701

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/24/s...-series-coupe/


Spy Shots: BMW 1-Series Coupe
Posted May 24th 2007 8:03AM by Chris Shunk
Filed under: Spy Photos, Coupes, BMW

Young fans of the Bavarian Motor Werks have been pining for something more affordable than a 3-series, and the 1-series has been teasing from afar for too long. The folks over at 1Addicts assembled a bunch of picks of a thinly-disguised 1-Series coupe in testing, and we think the newest developments look quite encouraging. The 1-Series in these photos looks to be nearly ready for production, as the only heavy-duty camo resides on the bumpers. Large-rimmed tires fit into the wheel well quite snugly, and BMW's Mighty Mouse is sitting very low to the ground, leading us to believe that this could very well be the 135i, which would seriously scream with BMW's 300 HP, twin-turbo International Engine of the Year.

With a full slate of models, including a coupe, hatch, convertible, and high-powered sport model, the 1-series arrives in the US with the potential to make BMW the number one selling luxury maker in the world's most important market. We're looking forward to taking this little spark plug for a spin when it hits North America in 2008. Seriously, if we even dare imagine how much fun this Mini-sized RWD coupe is to drive, we'd lose sleep.

Thanks for the tip, Alfredo!
BMW UK Official details:
306 horsepower, 295 lb-ft from 1,300 - 5,000 rpm
Zero to 62 mph in 5.3 sec
155 mph top speed
25mpg+

BlueEyes 05-25-2007 04:28 PM

I like the 1 series, wish they brought it over here. I'd go for the hatch myself.

CarAndDriver 05-25-2007 06:03 PM

They'll bring it over and then it'll get bigger and more expensive as the years go by. Then we'll be clamoring for the 0 series.

Steiner 05-25-2007 11:42 PM

If that little 1 series sees the TT engine from the 335i...OMFG...it will absolutely rip! Maybe that'll be the M1. Can't wait to see how it's priced, how heavy it is and how big it is.

NoTears316 05-26-2007 08:14 AM

If they price it right, I would look into it.

2tone 05-26-2007 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by CarAndDriver (Post 1896203)
They'll bring it over and then it'll get bigger and more expensive as the years go by. Then we'll be clamoring for the 0 series.

ha ha, no kidding. my uncle has a '97 540 - i was doing a comparo for him on the new 335 and if he should "trade down" for a 3 series. the interior dimensions of an '07 3 series are literally almost identical to the 5 series of 10 years ago!

wiggum 05-26-2007 08:21 PM

If BMW does what is speculated, my next car will be a 135i w/ M Package...

N54 Engine w/ Vishnu's tune...
3200 LBS..
RWD w/ LSD...
///M Suspension...
///M Wheels...

Seriously fun automobile for $35K...

MazdaMonkey 05-30-2007 11:37 AM

The 135i is on the cover of the new Car and Driver. Hopefully not wishful thinking.

Design1stCode2nd 06-01-2007 10:53 AM

From a Bimmerfest Moderator:


Description

(May 2007) BMW: 1-Series arrives in 2008 (Automotive News)
WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J. -- BMW's subcompact 1-Series will come to the United States next year, BMW of North America's top executive says. CEO Tom Purves says a two-door coupe will be on sale here in 2008.
He declined to give a timetable. He says BMW has never backed away from bringing the 1 series to the United States despite exchange rate pressure. The weak dollar relative to the euro forces European importers to choose between higher prices and lower margins. "We can deal with it," Purves says.

He would not deny that a convertible also will come to the United States.
For years, BMW would not say when it would launch the 1 series in the United States. A hatchback version went on sale in Europe in 2003. The five-door was freshened this year and shown at the Geneva auto show.
The newest model features technologies such as regenerative braking and an automatic stop-start function that turns the engine off in situations such as red lights.

Pricing isn't known, but the 1 series likely will start below the 3 series.

Background

Development of entry BMW continues; -referred to a 1-Series (in Europe) with launch delayed in the U.S. market. Note that BMW's naming scheme for the U.S. has not been confirmed. Reports indicate that the new entry is being developed in sedan form (expected to be called 1-Series); with coupe and convertible bodystyles also being developed. Note that the coupe and convertible may be called 2-Series in the U.S.

After its divestiture of Rover cars in March of 2000CY, BMW formally confirmed that it would develop its own line of cars, under the BMW badge, "for the upper end of the lower midsize segment". The car is positioned below the existing 3-Series Compact, and is priced lower. This new entry-level car for BMW, dubbed 1-series, will spawn a few body-style variants like its upper sibling 3-Series - it is intended to be a high volume seller in the sub-luxury class, aimed at high-selling Audi A3.
At 4.23m, the 1-Series is 24 centimeters shorter than the 3-Series. However a relatively long wheelbase of 2.66m is required due to the longitudinal engine, rear drive setup. Although the wheelbase 1-Series is 8cm longer than the front-drive, transverse-engined Volkswagen Golf, rear passenger space is limited. Overall width is 1.75m and overall height is 1.42m.

The 1-Series is aimed at a younger demographic seeking an upscale premium car, who are new to the BMW brand. The 1-Series 5D hatchback (E87) debuted at the 2004 Paris Motor Show and went on sale in September 2004CY. Following up the 5D Hatchback is a sporty 3D Hatchback model (E81), due in the 3rd Quarter of 2006CY for the European market.

BMW originally backed away from a firm commitment to launch the 1-Series in the important U.S. market. Due to the strength of the EURO against the U.S. dollar, BMW's already thin margins on the 1-Series were seriously eroded in market projections. As a result, BMW originally chose to take a "wait and see" approach with the U.S. market. Originally, BMW had looked at a version of the European market 5D Hatchback for the U.S. market, but the plan was quickly shot down, as BMW has not had a good history with hatchback models (specifically the old 3-Series Compact hatch).
A Sedan variant was in early development as the launch model for the U.S. market (where sedans are more popular than hatchbacks) - however BMW of North America wants all 1-Series and 1-Series derived vehicles for the U.S. market to be equipped with 6-cylinder powerplants.

The Sedan was slated to join the 1-Series lineup in the 3rd Quarter of 2007CY in the European market, and following in the 4th Quarter for the U.S. Market. The Sedan version is hardly as important as the hatchbacks in Europe, and was not expected to generate large European sales. The Sedan was largely aimed at the U.S. market, where hatchbacks are low in popularity.

As originally conceived, the 1-Series Sedan would actually be longer, and have a slightly longer wheelbase than its hatchback siblings. This slight increase in size was mainly aimed at the U.S. market consumer, who generally expects better legroom and overall interior space.

However in Summer of 2005CY, BMW underwent a major strategy change, canceling plans for the Sedan and a Wagon model (based on the same larger wheelbase of the Sedan) that was also under early development. Numerous factors went into this decision. The major factor was that BMW felt that the larger size of the Sedan and Wagon could impact sales of the larger 3-Series Sedan and Wagon models - this was a concern shared by both BMW's North American Sales arm, as well as headquarters in Germany. In addition, a 1-Series Sedan was not seen as having strong sales potential in the European market, where small hatchbacks are significantly more popular.



2008 MY
BMW will continue to focus on development of a Coupe model (E82) as well as a Convertible (E88) that are both based on the 1-Series platform and mechanicals. In addition, an on-again, off-again strategy to rename the Coupe and Convertible models “2-Series” is now on-again.

Part of the strategy with the naming of the models is to appeal to the deep heritage and popularity of the old BMW 2002 model 2 door models, particularly in the U.S. market. BMW believes that tapping this vein of popularity will help ensure a strong launch for an all-new smaller 2-Series range in the U.S. market.

In addition, BMW was encouraged by the strong launch of the higher-end BMW 6-Series Coupe and Convertible models, and wishes to replicate the success in a smaller, lower priced model.

Styling of both the Coupe and Convertible models were largely previewed by the BMW CS1 Convertible Concept that was first shown at the 2002 Geneva Motor Show. BMW’s “flame surfacing” theme, with concave and convex lines merging to produce a unique surface effect carries over to the 2-Series. In fact sources indicate that the front end of the Production version is little-changed, except for smaller, more stylistically rendered headlamps, and a flatter BMW kidney grille. The rear end is largely unchanged from the concept.

In a shift of strategy, BMW will first launch the Convertible model first in the late Q1 2008CY, for the 2008MY in the U.S. Market, followed by the Coupe a few months later. The Convertible will feature a powered retractable cloth top. A folding hard top was initially investigated, but was quickly abandoned, due to cost and weight issues.

The 2-Series will share powertrains with the European Market 1-Series range. The lineup will include a Valvetronic 24V Inline 6-cylinder powerplant that produces 265hp. Several months after launch, BMW will expand its petrol engine lineup at the top end with the addition of a Twin-Turbocharged 3.0L Direct Injection Inline 6-cylinder petrol powerplant. Although the same engine is also found in the 3-Series 335i model (producing 306PS), the engine in the 1-Series will reportedly be detuned to about 290PS. The engine features BMW's Piezo Petrol Direct Injection technology. BMW's long-rumored ZSG double-clutch transmission (similar to the Volkswagen group's DSG in operation), is likely to be optionally available with this engine as well.

All models will come with Dynamic Stability Control with Dynamic Traction Control, 6 airbags, Brake Force Display function for tail lamps, and run-flat tires with Tire Puncture Warning System.

Similar to the facelifted 1-Series, the new 2-Series makes use of 3 major fuel saving technologies.

The first is Brake Energy Regeneration (iGR), which utilizes an Intelligent Alternator Control (IAC) and an Absorbent Glass Mat battery to recycle energy that was previously lost by the vehicle’s rolling wheels. The IAC reduces drag on the engine by engaging only when required to charge the battery – conventional alternators always draw power from the engine. The battery also charges on situations of engine over-run, such as under-braking or descending a hill. BMW claims a 3% fuel savings with iGR.
The second system is an Automatic Start-Stop function, which is standard on most manual transmission models. The Start-Stop function automatically turns the engine off when the vehicle is stationary and the driver puts the car in neutral. When the clutch is engaged, the engine restarts. The function can also be manually switched off by the driver.

The third system is Electric Power Steering, which utilizes an electric motor to provide power assistance. BMW claims a 90% energy savings vs. a conventional mechanical hydraulic steering system.

The 2-Series suspension setup is shared with the 1-Series, including an aluminum front axle setup with McPherson struts, and a 5-link rear independent suspension. Typical BMW systems, such as Dynamic Stability Control, Dynamic Traction Control, Dynamic Brake Control and Electronic Differential Lock are expected to be standard equipment. The 2-Series will include front, front-side and side curtain airbag systems.
The 2-Series' interior is largely expected to mimic that of the 1-Series, including a push button starter, and a spartan front dash layout, with seating capacity for 4 people.

The iDrive knob-based controller system will be offered, as will be a Navigation system with pop up LCD color screen.

Other equipment will include Sport Seats with width adjustment, Bluetooth capability, front & rear parking assist, and Bi-Xenon headlamps. An optional Keyless entry card system and a voice-activated radio and navigation system will also be available.

Design1stCode2nd 06-01-2007 10:55 AM

Also a bit I found on Naisoc from someone who found it on a BMW website:

With the tag line: "20 Cars Worth Waiting For" and the caption 2008 BMW M1 (Just kidding, it's the 135i)

The article appears too new to be on the Car and Driver website, so here's what they say about the 1-series coming stateside:

What it is: After learning the hard way that Americans don't want a hatchback BMW at any price, BMW is bringing over a coupe version of the diminutive 1-series.
Why it's important: The 1-series coupe will be BMW's entry-level model, bringing six-cylinder refinement and rear-wheel drive to a primarily front-drive segment. Also, the 300-hp 135i will be quick enough to be regarded as an M1, although BMW won't call it that.
Platform: Based on the previous generation 3-series (E46).
Powertrain: The base engine will be the 230-hp version of BMW's 3.0-liter six you'll find in the 328i, but the more sporting version will be the 135i. Packing a 300-hp twin-turbo inline-six, the 135i will weigh 300 fewer pounds than the 335i and will have a better power-to-weight ratio than the last M3. A 135i should be able to spring from 0-to-60 mph in about 4.5 seconds. Six-speed manual and automatic transmissions will be available.
Competition: Audi A3 and TT, Mazdaspeed 3, Mini Cooper S, Subaru WRX, Volkswagen GTI, Volvo C30.
What might go wrong: The styling might be a turn-off, and the 1 could steal sales from the 3-series.
Estimated arrival and cost: Spring 2008; about $25,000 for a 128i, rising to $35,000 for a 135i.

Stay tuned to Car and Driver for pics (or just open up the magazine when you get it).

RshnRoket 06-01-2007 11:03 AM

I was greatly considering a used M3 or new 335i for my first new car out of college. However I decided on the RX8 because I know it's a great driving car with decent power and amazing handling. BMWs are notoriously expensive to drive and insure, and that always frightens me with them. They are very well built and overengineered (turbo and supercharger kits running on stock block M3s are putting out 400-500 hp).

deamicls 06-02-2007 12:34 PM

I have a feeling that this car will become very popular seeing that it will come with same engine that's in the 335. The price has also been rumored to start around 35k for the 35 model (Car and Driver). If that is true, I'm going to buy. Don't F it up BMW!!!:banghead:

div2 06-03-2007 09:57 PM

"BMWs are notoriously expensive to drive and insure"

Boy, you got that right; repairs and scheduled maintenance-including three sets of WR-rated tires on my E36 3er averages about $480/year. Insurance is $75/month. The car's bleeding me dry...:rolleyes:

As for the 135i, an M Sport coupe is probably going to be my next car, and this from someone who was looking for a CPO E46 M3. The I6 twin turbo is a great engine, I drove a 335i droptop from FL to KY and it was a nice car but way too porky for my tastes- the 1er coupe should solve that problem. Here's hoping that BMW sees fit to offer a LSD.

Design1stCode2nd 06-04-2007 11:47 AM

I'm hoping (along with other's I'll test) that the 135 will be priced agressively and not come with too many tech options. Just give me some leather/alcantara like the stock Audi TT, sport suspension, keyless start (I'm spoiled now), Hid's and thats it. I'd even prefer manual seats. Although I would go for DSG (if offered) so the wifey could drive it.

Most BMW's for regular maintence isn't worse than any other car. Oil is oil and tires are tires. Just find a good independent mechanic and do the basic stuff yourself (or more if you have the skills and tools).

CarAndDriver 06-04-2007 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by deamicls (Post 1907465)
I have a feeling that this car will become very popular seeing that it will come with same engine that's in the 335. The price has also been rumored to start around 35k for the 35 model (Car and Driver). If that is true, I'm going to buy. Don't F it up BMW!!!:banghead:

35K? I'm not sure how anyone would construe that as entry-level.....

They are going to have to bring the base model in somewhere north of $25K but below $30K.

div2 06-04-2007 12:58 PM

>I'm hoping (along with other's I'll test) that the 135 will be priced agressively
>and not come with too many tech options. Just give me some leather/alcantara
>like the stock Audi TT, sport suspension, keyless start (I'm spoiled now), Hid's
>and thats it. I'd even prefer manual seats. Although I would go for DSG (if
>offered) so the wifey could drive it.

I agree, and I also hope that Munich will keep the sunroof optional as well.

map 06-04-2007 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd (Post 1909601)
I'm hoping (along with other's I'll test) that the 135 will be priced agressively and not come with too many tech options. Just give me some leather/alcantara like the stock Audi TT, sport suspension, keyless start (I'm spoiled now), Hid's and thats it. I'd even prefer manual seats. Although I would go for DSG (if offered) so the wifey could drive it.

Most BMW's for regular maintence isn't worse than any other car. Oil is oil and tires are tires. Just find a good independent mechanic and do the basic stuff yourself (or more if you have the skills and tools).

The auto in the 335 is awesome to the point that DSG is pretty much unnecessary. Just more to break. Manual is still the best choice though.

Design1stCode2nd 06-04-2007 02:55 PM

I'll probably have a manual and I've heard good things about teh new BMW auto but then I've heard really good things about DSG as well. I actually didn't mind BMW's SMG II.

Even if the 128 has the 230hp 6 cyl, it may still be respectably quick and under 35k.

Remeber its still entry level for BMW, they have nver been cheap. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say 128i base for 28k and 135i base for 33k.

div2 06-04-2007 04:15 PM

>I'll probably have a manual and I've heard good things about teh new BMW auto
>but then I've heard really good things about DSG as well. I actually didn't mind
>BMW's SMG II.

The slushbox IS nice. It even matches revs on downshifts. Still prefer the manual, though.

Illmatic 06-04-2007 04:52 PM

Great news! I hope they redesign the rear by then though, I find it's kinda dull.

alfy28 06-05-2007 08:18 AM

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...-spy-shots-yet

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/alfy27/bmw12.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/alfy27/bmw1.jpg

Design1stCode2nd 06-05-2007 11:40 AM

Coming along, still some masking hiding the details. Would expect some more agressive bodywork and dual pipes for a 135i.

kersh4w 06-05-2007 03:52 PM

it looks like a pregnant cow.

it also looks like someone took the front end of a bmw 3 series and welded it to a hyundai elantra.

m477 06-05-2007 07:51 PM

The thing that really bothers me is the way the sides have a drooping line and are sort of concave. It's like looking at the face of someone who has done too much meth, now their skin is hanging off their face and their cheeks are all hollowed out.

MP3Guy 06-05-2007 08:44 PM

The "ones" have been cool for years- wonder why they think there's margin in this now with the US dollar in the toilet?


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