I thought it was right behind the WRX.

Integra type R was 1st place, followed by WRX, Civic type R, RX-8 and lastly the MRS respectively. integra type R has 220 hp i believe.

Both the Hondas were cornering faster than the rest of the cars, it seems the nimbleness from being lighter and the type R suspensions are more than enough to make up for the understeer inherent in their FWD design in this race. The civic was able to corner faster than the wrx to close the gap, but wrx overpowed it with the superior power and traction on the straights to keep its 2nd place lead. RX8 was able to pass the toyota MRS into 4th place. But the civic type R was able to corner faster than the RX8. while the 8 starts to catch up on the straights, the lead is extended back at the turns. the MRS, arguably with the best layout used by all the exotic supercars was severely outclassed due to lack of power.

-this race shows that there are many other factors besides the layout of the engine/powertrain that influence a cars performance. we tend to put too much emphasis on the superiority of RWD cars. I feel so bad for those guys that owns a real type R car and have their legacy tarnished by the thousands of pretenders.

We're talking about two different races, the one I and I think Shiri was refering to had the S2K in first, G35 2nd, WRX 3rd, RSX Type R 4th, then RX-8 and Miata pretty far back.

all together id rather drive a RWD car over a AWD car, AWD cars are just out there for poeple that either dont have the balls to drive a RWD, or they just suck period. if you want to have fun driving instead of something easy-going that you would take to the grocery store, go with a RWD.

You win the prize for the most moronic thing I've seen all day.

so dat meeen dat eye gotz big ballz in tha chape of an 8?

Shiri makes a good point about the engineering of the Attessa AWD system in the Nissan Skyline. That new 10 second factory Skyline (I believe it's called the Z-tune) uses that time tested platform and supposedly cruises around like a RWD car until it senses a loss of traction and then hooks up the front tires. It's the best of both worlds IMHO and I can't wait to see how Nissan improves upon it to coencide with the release of the new Skyline.

Isn't that how the new Acura RL works?

Derr.. wtf jimmy?

It's all personal preference. Whatever you enjoy driving more is probably better for you. Making a comment about the amount of balls it takes to drive any one vehicle is like blatantly admitting that you drive a specific car to compensate for your shortcomings.

Now then..

I think that AWD on the skyline is badass technology and a great concept (tho i've never driven one), but then there are still people who complain that it drives them nuts. Again.. it's personal preference.

I think the Acura RL's setup is more about transferring power from side to side under load then from front to back, although it may be both. I always though that's what AYC was, but apparently not. Maybe I'll learn all those cool AWD features the rest of the world gets when somebody brings them to the US. :(

If you're just looking for a challenge then try a 300whp, 3000lb FWD car with an open differential and lots of torque steer. That takes balls right there.

I must be one of the guys without the balls to drive a RWD.

Hang on, my car is RWD....80% of the time. :rolleyes:

is it RWD 80% of the time, or 80% RWD?

beat the rx8 and wrx in what trunk space?

Probably, but he was talking about on the track. The Integra Type R beats the newer RX8 despite being a FWD car.

RWD 80% of the time, there are times when I need more traction so when my car feels like its slipping, power goes to the front wheels thus creating the AWD effect.

Nothing beats AWD from a standstill because it provides the best possible traction. On a roll, traction is not as important if I got the car moving, but if I have a lot of power then AWD will come into play again and give me the traction that I need without losing power to the ground.

That's probably the best way of explaining it.

so your car has a 0/100 differential setting, where no power goes through the front wheels? What type of car is it?

I have driven all of the above cars several times and they are quick but very cheap and not very comfortable... AWD is not faster around a regular road course, on loose surfaces they will have better traction and be faster but on a nice dry track in a car with similar power to weight a RWD car will lap quicker... Four wheel drifts are ok on gravel but not a very fast way around a track nor nice on tires on a road course, you won't last the race...

The EVO and STI are street legal rally cars suited for that type of racing...

Nonsense, the STi and Evo are very capable of beating RWD cars with more HP and better power to weight ratios. I highly doubt you've driven "all of the above cars several times".

You're yet another person to make the rally car and dirt comments. For the last freaking time many many rallys are on tarmac, tarmac that often resembles our bumpy roads more than any track you'll ever be on. In addition to that they're just as good on a smooth roadcourse or rally course, yet you seem to look at that as a negative :rolleyes: :confused:

I don't know, Audi speed GT cars might say differently.

And Skylines in the JGTC.

I have access to these cars whenever I please, and yes I have driven them many times and have had them for several days at a time (Including the MR)... And I have also driven many much faster cars as well...

Once agian they are cheap uncomfortable cars for wanabees... :rolleyes:

So have you resorted to focusing on calling them cheap and uncomfortable because you've realized the rest of your argument is wrong?

The rest of my statement is 100% correct and unlike you based on impartial experience... Actually as you reply once more with biased opinion I am going over to grab the keys of a Carrera GT and take it for a spin... :)

Great, I'll be having sex with Charlize Theoron while you do that.

I want seconds!! Both of you!