Autoweek bashing 4g eclipse
04-25-2006, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Skythe
There are far too many of these instances of automotive-rhetoric like refinement or telepathic-steering.....blah blah ****** blah. These abstract colloquial descriptions do nothing but confuse average dum-dums like myself into wondering "wtf are these people talking about." Has people's use of language become so poor that we've become lazy in taking the short route when describing something? How can you accurately describe something with a vague description? HUH? HOW CAN YOU? But I guess we're not people anymore; we're just towels.
Referring to steering as "telepathic" is as obvious as the nose on your face. If you want to avoid abstractions, I guess a review of a car's steering feel can be one of two things:
1- Good.
2- Bad.
Jeez. I don't know what to tell you if the terms "telepathic" or "refinement" confuse you... And the same goes for "bulletproof", "bahn-burner", "corners as if on rails", "solid as a bank vault", and a thousand other hack buff-book terms. Without entertaining colloquialisms and "lazy" abstractions, car reviews would be as boring as reading a data panel.
04-26-2006, 09:13 AM
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My dad had a Talon TSi AWD/5spd. It was a very early-build '90 model, and it was as reliable as an atomic clock... Even with the regular beatings I gave it.
Now THAT was a fun car. Small, light, plenty of power (even stock it is probably the equal to the RX8 if you don't do 7000rpm clutch drops in the Mazda), and an absolute HOOT to drive in the snow. I had a WRC-quality 4-wheel drift in a snowstorm in that car that I still remember like it was yesterday...
*sigh*
Now THAT was a fun car. Small, light, plenty of power (even stock it is probably the equal to the RX8 if you don't do 7000rpm clutch drops in the Mazda), and an absolute HOOT to drive in the snow. I had a WRC-quality 4-wheel drift in a snowstorm in that car that I still remember like it was yesterday...
*sigh*
The Eclipse became a whole different beast after the Hahn Racecraft turbo too
It's widely known among the DSM guys that the 1st Gen Eclipse was the best for overall performance. Many of the 1G factory parts were considered the *upgrade* path for the 2G guys.
04-26-2006, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyodai
Many of the 1G factory parts were considered the *upgrade* path for the 2G guys.
04-26-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyodai
I just got done selling mine to a friend. Had almost 160K on the clock, and I'll tell ya...I'm really gonna miss that car. My 1st gen had a few probs here and there, but that car never stranded me, and you're right about the driving in the snow! That one was a BLAST in the white stuff. Had better traction than most trucks! It was hilarious to see this little coupe go tearing by soccer moms who were sliding backwards down hills in their Suburban Batte Wagons while I was boosting right on past. Oh, and the 4-wheel drifts! I felt like Saenz every day it snowed!
The Eclipse became a whole different beast after the Hahn Racecraft turbo too
It's widely known among the DSM guys that the 1st Gen Eclipse was the best for overall performance. Many of the 1G factory parts were considered the *upgrade* path for the 2G guys.
The Eclipse became a whole different beast after the Hahn Racecraft turbo too
It's widely known among the DSM guys that the 1st Gen Eclipse was the best for overall performance. Many of the 1G factory parts were considered the *upgrade* path for the 2G guys.
04-26-2006, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
My question is WTF are YOU talking about?
Referring to steering as "telepathic" is as obvious as the nose on your face. If you want to avoid abstractions, I guess a review of a car's steering feel can be one of two things:
1- Good.
2- Bad.
Jeez. I don't know what to tell you if the terms "telepathic" or "refinement" confuse you... And the same goes for "bulletproof", "bahn-burner", "corners as if on rails", "solid as a bank vault", and a thousand other hack buff-book terms. Without entertaining colloquialisms and "lazy" abstractions, car reviews would be as boring as reading a data panel.
Referring to steering as "telepathic" is as obvious as the nose on your face. If you want to avoid abstractions, I guess a review of a car's steering feel can be one of two things:
1- Good.
2- Bad.
Jeez. I don't know what to tell you if the terms "telepathic" or "refinement" confuse you... And the same goes for "bulletproof", "bahn-burner", "corners as if on rails", "solid as a bank vault", and a thousand other hack buff-book terms. Without entertaining colloquialisms and "lazy" abstractions, car reviews would be as boring as reading a data panel.
If you want to use colloquialisms at least be original.
04-26-2006, 11:23 AM
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5 times out of ~1.28million posts on the forum. not that bad in terms of repetition 
which is easier? saying an engine is bulletproof, or saying that an engine can withstand heavy modification with little or no internal modifications and are reliable even after prolonged high-output conditions.
i don't see the issue with such metaphors.
which is easier? saying an engine is bulletproof, or saying that an engine can withstand heavy modification with little or no internal modifications and are reliable even after prolonged high-output conditions.
i don't see the issue with such metaphors.
04-26-2006, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
5 times out of ~1.28million posts on the forum. not that bad in terms of repetition
which is easier? saying an engine is bulletproof, or saying that an engine can withstand heavy modification with little or no internal modifications and are reliable even after prolonged high-output conditions.
i don't see the issue with such metaphors.
which is easier? saying an engine is bulletproof, or saying that an engine can withstand heavy modification with little or no internal modifications and are reliable even after prolonged high-output conditions.
i don't see the issue with such metaphors.
If so many forums weren't echo chambers of non-originality I wouldn't have said anything. You never know what's actually real or just garbage propagated by the masses.
04-26-2006, 11:53 AM
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you could, but linguisticly, that is boring. 
describing everything automotive in such sterile terms would be like reading an encyclopedia. sure, its acurate, and informative, but its also boring as sin (that's an expression i don't get. typically sins aren't boring at all).
saying an engine is bulletproof is no different than saying a dead person has kicked the bucket, or bought the farm. literally it makes no sense, but the expressed idea is understood by the majority...its nothign more than a literary device to make the language less boring.
also, i right now i think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. much like plato you are. much like yoda, talk i.
describing everything automotive in such sterile terms would be like reading an encyclopedia. sure, its acurate, and informative, but its also boring as sin (that's an expression i don't get. typically sins aren't boring at all).
saying an engine is bulletproof is no different than saying a dead person has kicked the bucket, or bought the farm. literally it makes no sense, but the expressed idea is understood by the majority...its nothign more than a literary device to make the language less boring.
also, i right now i think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. much like plato you are. much like yoda, talk i.
04-26-2006, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
you could, but linguisticly, that is boring.
describing everything automotive in such sterile terms would be like reading an encyclopedia. sure, its acurate, and informative, but its also boring as sin (that's an expression i don't get. typically sins aren't boring at all).
saying an engine is bulletproof is no different than saying a dead person has kicked the bucket, or bought the farm. literally it makes no sense, but the expressed idea is understood by the majority...its nothign more than a literary device to make the language less boring.
also, i right now i think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. much like plato you are. much like yoda, talk i.
describing everything automotive in such sterile terms would be like reading an encyclopedia. sure, its acurate, and informative, but its also boring as sin (that's an expression i don't get. typically sins aren't boring at all).
saying an engine is bulletproof is no different than saying a dead person has kicked the bucket, or bought the farm. literally it makes no sense, but the expressed idea is understood by the majority...its nothign more than a literary device to make the language less boring.
also, i right now i think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. much like plato you are. much like yoda, talk i.
I'm not against weird sayings and especially not against things like "teh fastar" and "twisties". I'd say that's 90% of the reason I come here. But I've actually seen people on this forum arguing as to whether a particular engine was "bulletproof". They're arguing over whether the application of a loosely defined term is appropriate -- teh stupid.
When it goes from people using phrases to spice things up to people trying to sound smart, it's gone too far. Then again, it wouldn't be a forum without it!
04-26-2006, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
The problem is that these arbitrary terms that don't have a distinct meaning just highlight the fact that 90% of people have no idea what the hell they're talking about. They hear the phrase "bulletproof" and rather than question it they regurgitate it as if it means something special. I've seen the term "bulletproof" referred to that Mitsu engine at least 5 times on this forum. That's just stupid.
If you want to use colloquialisms at least be original.
If you want to use colloquialisms at least be original.
This has got to be a joke... Either that or you have a very weak imagination. The use of simile, metaphor or other comparisons to form a picture in one's mind is a common literary device and not at all "lazy" as you call it. How the quite "distinct" meaning of the term "bulletproof" escapes you is completely baffling to me. Does every phrase spoken or written need to be completely literal in order for you to comprehend its meaning?
Again, I posit that you are pulling our collective legs.
04-27-2006, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
I refuse to believe that someone who can properly use the terms "colloquial" and "regurgitate" can't figure out what someone means when they refer to an engine as "bulletproof". This is a common term that is applied to far more than automobile engines.
This has got to be a joke... Either that or you have a very weak imagination. The use of simile, metaphor or other comparisons to form a picture in one's mind is a common literary device and not at all "lazy" as you call it. How the quite "distinct" meaning of the term "bulletproof" escapes you is completely baffling to me. Does every phrase spoken or written need to be completely literal in order for you to comprehend its meaning?
Again, I posit that you are pulling our collective legs.
This has got to be a joke... Either that or you have a very weak imagination. The use of simile, metaphor or other comparisons to form a picture in one's mind is a common literary device and not at all "lazy" as you call it. How the quite "distinct" meaning of the term "bulletproof" escapes you is completely baffling to me. Does every phrase spoken or written need to be completely literal in order for you to comprehend its meaning?
Again, I posit that you are pulling our collective legs.
Where do you get this idea that I don't know what the word means or that I need a lesson on the intricacies of literary devices. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Look, I'll dumb it down a notch for you -- this is a stupid word. It's a big fat stupid retarded word that makes me mad with all its stupid retardedness.
How we got to talk about similes and metaphors is what I don't understand. I question the application of one stupid *** word and somehow I'm against the English language all the sudden.
04-27-2006, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
How dare you insult my imagination station!?!?!
Where do you get this idea that I don't know what the word means or that I need a lesson on the intricacies of literary devices. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Look, I'll dumb it down a notch for you -- this is a stupid word. It's a big fat stupid retarded word that makes me mad with all its stupid retardedness.
How we got to talk about similes and metaphors is what I don't understand. I question the application of one stupid *** word and somehow I'm against the English language all the sudden.
Where do you get this idea that I don't know what the word means or that I need a lesson on the intricacies of literary devices. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Look, I'll dumb it down a notch for you -- this is a stupid word. It's a big fat stupid retarded word that makes me mad with all its stupid retardedness.
How we got to talk about similes and metaphors is what I don't understand. I question the application of one stupid *** word and somehow I'm against the English language all the sudden.
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04-27-2006, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Look, I'll dumb it down a notch for you -- this is a stupid word. It's a big fat stupid retarded word that makes me mad with all its stupid retardedness.
04-27-2006, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
My parents had a '88 Chrysler ConquestTSI , the variant to the Mitsu Starion TSI.
Man the car was sweet, it talked to you, "Your door is open","Please turn off headlamps"..etc. For 190HP/240 Trq....that turbo 4 banger moved! But unfortunately the reliability was flawed. Chrysler replaced 3 stock turbos,2 turbo's in the first year, finally the last turbo they put in it was from the 89 Eclipse turbo. Mitsu released a new and improved turbo at that time. After that the car was fine....I was the most popular kid on the block at the time.....while other kids parents had Beemers and station wagons or un inspiring econo boxes we had the hot sportscar that could talk! Those were the days........ahhhhh.
Man the car was sweet, it talked to you, "Your door is open","Please turn off headlamps"..etc. For 190HP/240 Trq....that turbo 4 banger moved! But unfortunately the reliability was flawed. Chrysler replaced 3 stock turbos,2 turbo's in the first year, finally the last turbo they put in it was from the 89 Eclipse turbo. Mitsu released a new and improved turbo at that time. After that the car was fine....I was the most popular kid on the block at the time.....while other kids parents had Beemers and station wagons or un inspiring econo boxes we had the hot sportscar that could talk! Those were the days........ahhhhh.
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
heheh...you called the 420a bulletproof. 
edit: oops. i forgot the turboed engines didn't use the 420a. good thing too. those sucked ***
edit: oops. i forgot the turboed engines didn't use the 420a. good thing too. those sucked ***
It wasn't that bad for a four cylinder in it's time, but hardly bulletproof.
I put a lot into that engine. Between Oil leeks, blow coolant lines, and eventually a rod bearing. Then when all that was fixed the computer wen out....
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04-27-2006, 12:55 PM
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yeah, i had an avenger in college, and it had the 420a in it. i was one of the "lucky" ones that had crank walk and killed the engine. my cousin down in florida needed a car, and other than the engine, the car was in great shape. so i sold it to her for $1, then my uncle and her husband "fixed" it for about $50 in parts and a couple of weekends. that held for about 6 months before it happend again. so they "fixed" it again, then sold it and bought a different car.
04-27-2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
I question the application of one stupid *** word and somehow I'm against the English language all the sudden.
Originally Posted by saturn
There are far too many of these instances of automotive-rhetoric like refinement or telepathic-steering.....blah blah ****** blah. These abstract colloquial descriptions do nothing but confuse average dum-dums like myself
Well, you name those TWO in addition to "bulletproof". Now we're up to three, not one. You strongly suggest that there are others in addition to those... So it appears that your problem is with "automotive-rhetoric", not the word "bulletproof".
THAT is why it appears that you prefer data panels to actual WRITING.
04-27-2006, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
Thanks for dumbing it down for us. I guess your original assertion was that only one stupid *** word was annoying to you. I'll go back and check.
Oops.
Well, you name those TWO in addition to "bulletproof". Now we're up to three, not one. You strongly suggest that there are others in addition to those... So it appears that your problem is with "automotive-rhetoric", not the word "bulletproof".
THAT is why it appears that you prefer data panels to actual WRITING.
Oops.
Well, you name those TWO in addition to "bulletproof". Now we're up to three, not one. You strongly suggest that there are others in addition to those... So it appears that your problem is with "automotive-rhetoric", not the word "bulletproof".
THAT is why it appears that you prefer data panels to actual WRITING.
04-27-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
Thanks for dumbing it down for us. I guess your original assertion was that only one stupid *** word was annoying to you. I'll go back and check.
Oops.
Well, you name those TWO in addition to "bulletproof". Now we're up to three, not one. You strongly suggest that there are others in addition to those... So it appears that your problem is with "automotive-rhetoric", not the word "bulletproof".
THAT is why it appears that you prefer data panels to actual WRITING.
Oops.
Well, you name those TWO in addition to "bulletproof". Now we're up to three, not one. You strongly suggest that there are others in addition to those... So it appears that your problem is with "automotive-rhetoric", not the word "bulletproof".
THAT is why it appears that you prefer data panels to actual WRITING.
