All new BP Mazda 3 BEATS LEXUS Crash Test
11-30-2018, 12:21 PM
#27
This.
It also won't matter to 95% of consumers, because they don't even look rearward anymore. It's quite unfortunate that most rely on "safety" nannies to do the most basic driving maneuvers. Blind spot monitoring and reverse cameras (mandated for all new cars) takes care of this enormous C-pillar blind spot.
Have you guys driven Hondas made the past few years equipped with the "blind spot camera"? It displays exact what's on the passenger side mirror on the infotainment screen!
When 5G networks hit and autonomous cars graduate into self-driving cars, we'll have a glory hole window as a windshield.
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11-30-2018, 12:30 PM
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You gonna eat that?
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NotAPreppie (11-30-2018)
12-06-2018, 08:52 PM
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Yes, got to agree with our friend Paul..
The Mazda 3 Sedan is exquisite for a Sedan, and the Hatch I would like to see in the flesh, but certain side 3/4 angle side shots make the C Pillar look in proportion and then other high up rear 1/4 shots make the C area look large and a huge blind spot issue.
Having said that, IMO Mazda would see this and I am certain designed this in mind so it qualifies for vehicle rigidity and crash testing.
As we should all know that 'old' designs of years past simply do not compute anymore.
I am very surprised that we are even seeing this new Generation small Mazda 3 to some point as I believe it will be the last.
Ford and GM will no longer be making the Cruize and Focus as they no longer sell, as I said before, everyone today wants SUV.
This may swing in Mazda's favor for a few short years....BUT.
This is the end of small platforms which are not SUV specific, and as we know this new Gen 2 Skyactiv platform will be used on all new CX-3, 5, etc.
I also am doubting Mazda's decision to make ANY all new Mazda 4 door 6 Sedan....the CX-6 sounds more realistic.
And these NEW Interiors in the BT Mazda 3 is ALL Class and is the next HUGE step for Mazda which cleans up the Germans.
It is not that difficult to make, all car Dashboards, Door Trims (cards) HAVE to be designed/made, so spend a little more money and time and make them more 'Premium', wonder who thought of that a few decades ago, oh yeah, Lexus.
IF Mazda are clever enough and roll it out fast they will catch and bring back a huge number of their lost market share as they were and still are asleep at the wheel in the US.
Some of their marketing plans, advertising, dealer support and actions IMO have been unforgivable, particularly under the O'Sullivan (ex Ford) Mazda boss since retired, and Davis who has been shuffled sideways and backwards with one foot permanently out the door.
So yeah, love the Sedan and the Hatch will be better, much better in the flesh.
As now an OLD Fart, I like to see a little 'Chrome' on the outside too...
The Mazda 3 Sedan is exquisite for a Sedan, and the Hatch I would like to see in the flesh, but certain side 3/4 angle side shots make the C Pillar look in proportion and then other high up rear 1/4 shots make the C area look large and a huge blind spot issue.
Having said that, IMO Mazda would see this and I am certain designed this in mind so it qualifies for vehicle rigidity and crash testing.
As we should all know that 'old' designs of years past simply do not compute anymore.
I am very surprised that we are even seeing this new Generation small Mazda 3 to some point as I believe it will be the last.
Ford and GM will no longer be making the Cruize and Focus as they no longer sell, as I said before, everyone today wants SUV.
This may swing in Mazda's favor for a few short years....BUT.
This is the end of small platforms which are not SUV specific, and as we know this new Gen 2 Skyactiv platform will be used on all new CX-3, 5, etc.
I also am doubting Mazda's decision to make ANY all new Mazda 4 door 6 Sedan....the CX-6 sounds more realistic.
And these NEW Interiors in the BT Mazda 3 is ALL Class and is the next HUGE step for Mazda which cleans up the Germans.
It is not that difficult to make, all car Dashboards, Door Trims (cards) HAVE to be designed/made, so spend a little more money and time and make them more 'Premium', wonder who thought of that a few decades ago, oh yeah, Lexus.
IF Mazda are clever enough and roll it out fast they will catch and bring back a huge number of their lost market share as they were and still are asleep at the wheel in the US.
Some of their marketing plans, advertising, dealer support and actions IMO have been unforgivable, particularly under the O'Sullivan (ex Ford) Mazda boss since retired, and Davis who has been shuffled sideways and backwards with one foot permanently out the door.
So yeah, love the Sedan and the Hatch will be better, much better in the flesh.
As now an OLD Fart, I like to see a little 'Chrome' on the outside too...
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12-06-2018, 09:48 PM
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Good explanation of Mazda's Skyactiv X SPCCI from mew mate Dave.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/mazda-h...s-not-a-rotary
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/mazda-h...s-not-a-rotary
01-01-2019, 09:45 AM
#33
40th anniversary Edition
Yes in the USA the Mazda CX5 is now Mazda USA's biggest seller, not the 3 anymore. People are loving their SUVs in America and around the world. Small SUVs are cutting into small sedan sales as folks want more utility from their vehicles. In the USA, both Ford and GM are seriously reducing their production and models of sedans to focus more on SUVs and trucks. That is where the USA market is going and other parts of the world also. .
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01-29-2019, 09:55 AM
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The first-drive reviews are out. Feedback is positive, even with the new twist-beam rear suspension.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mazda-3-drive/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazd...-drive-review/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mazda-3-drive/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazd...-drive-review/
01-29-2019, 11:01 AM
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Another first drive:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...esive-compact/
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...esive-compact/
01-30-2019, 02:16 AM
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01-30-2019, 09:14 AM
#38
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From a combination perspective if manual demand (for the hatch/premium/MT only variant) is higher than supply, Mazda should be able to produce a base variant with an MT for entry level purchasers.
01-30-2019, 09:18 AM
#39
///// Upscale Zoom-Zoom
The Golf GTI is a contender - I still am very interested in test driving the MT 3...after all keeping the revs up may be one way of delivering a sporty drive (noise+MPG aside).
" Some buyers will no doubt be tempted by the gruntier midranges delivered by the turbo-fed Golf or Focus. But those who do stick with the 3 will be rewarded with crisp, linear throttle response, and superb suppression of unwanted engine noise, so chasing revs is no chore."
" Some buyers will no doubt be tempted by the gruntier midranges delivered by the turbo-fed Golf or Focus. But those who do stick with the 3 will be rewarded with crisp, linear throttle response, and superb suppression of unwanted engine noise, so chasing revs is no chore."
01-30-2019, 12:57 PM
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Mazda if you're listening...How might we get fun and DD with MT/turbo in the 3 in a base level?
My car story is this - I've enjoyed immensely owning that 1992 Acura Integra GSR (gone) and my RX-8 GT (keeping this) and I'm now at a point where my DD is a ragged 2002 CR-V that has been very well maintained (except for the MN/OH salt exposure) but could rust out from the inside at any moment. I'm inactively shopping for that fun DD that a mix of 1991 Supra, 1993 VW Corrado VR6, 2012 GTI, RX-8, affordable side of the Giulia QF=ATS-V, Mazdaspeed 3 wagon, E91 wagon RWD but also practical with 4 seats (Fit Sport, or Cruze Diesel). This Mazda 3 hatchback thing might fit the bill if it's MT but might not at that premium level-only price.
The new GTI is impressive and with a six year comp warranty is enticing (but still pricey).
What must we do? How can I get what I want?
My car story is this - I've enjoyed immensely owning that 1992 Acura Integra GSR (gone) and my RX-8 GT (keeping this) and I'm now at a point where my DD is a ragged 2002 CR-V that has been very well maintained (except for the MN/OH salt exposure) but could rust out from the inside at any moment. I'm inactively shopping for that fun DD that a mix of 1991 Supra, 1993 VW Corrado VR6, 2012 GTI, RX-8, affordable side of the Giulia QF=ATS-V, Mazdaspeed 3 wagon, E91 wagon RWD but also practical with 4 seats (Fit Sport, or Cruze Diesel). This Mazda 3 hatchback thing might fit the bill if it's MT but might not at that premium level-only price.
The new GTI is impressive and with a six year comp warranty is enticing (but still pricey).
What must we do? How can I get what I want?
01-30-2019, 01:19 PM
#41
Smoking turbo yay
Looked at the Corolla hatch yet?
The complaint I have seen for the Corolla hatch is that the rear leg room sucks(which is a trademark Mazda problem as well), but it's otherwise pretty good with a manual. Hard to go wrong with a Toyota reliability-wise. They even fitted double injection(port+direct) to combat the carbon buildup issue.
The complaint I have seen for the Corolla hatch is that the rear leg room sucks(which is a trademark Mazda problem as well), but it's otherwise pretty good with a manual. Hard to go wrong with a Toyota reliability-wise. They even fitted double injection(port+direct) to combat the carbon buildup issue.
01-30-2019, 07:33 PM
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They aren't going to put a turbo in the 3 any time soon. The next engine is going to be the SkyActivX.
They've also stated repeatedly that they will not be producing another MazdaSpeed or similar hot variant. In their mind, their upscale/premium migration precludes the idea of high-po variants.
01-30-2019, 07:45 PM
#43
Smoking turbo yay
Mazda if you're listening...How might we get fun and DD with MT/turbo in the 3 in a base level?
My car story is this - I've enjoyed immensely owning that 1992 Acura Integra GSR (gone) and my RX-8 GT (keeping this) and I'm now at a point where my DD is a ragged 2002 CR-V that has been very well maintained (except for the MN/OH salt exposure) but could rust out from the inside at any moment. I'm inactively shopping for that fun DD that a mix of 1991 Supra, 1993 VW Corrado VR6, 2012 GTI, RX-8, affordable side of the Giulia QF=ATS-V, Mazdaspeed 3 wagon, E91 wagon RWD but also practical with 4 seats (Fit Sport, or Cruze Diesel). This Mazda 3 hatchback thing might fit the bill if it's MT but might not at that premium level-only price.
The new GTI is impressive and with a six year comp warranty is enticing (but still pricey).
What must we do? How can I get what I want?
My car story is this - I've enjoyed immensely owning that 1992 Acura Integra GSR (gone) and my RX-8 GT (keeping this) and I'm now at a point where my DD is a ragged 2002 CR-V that has been very well maintained (except for the MN/OH salt exposure) but could rust out from the inside at any moment. I'm inactively shopping for that fun DD that a mix of 1991 Supra, 1993 VW Corrado VR6, 2012 GTI, RX-8, affordable side of the Giulia QF=ATS-V, Mazdaspeed 3 wagon, E91 wagon RWD but also practical with 4 seats (Fit Sport, or Cruze Diesel). This Mazda 3 hatchback thing might fit the bill if it's MT but might not at that premium level-only price.
The new GTI is impressive and with a six year comp warranty is enticing (but still pricey).
What must we do? How can I get what I want?
Yeah, I like driving a stick shift, but if I have 2 cars and one is a dedicated fun car, I have no problem with the other one being an automatic. Also helps that I don't have to remember 2 sets of muscle memory for bite points of each car.
Get 2 pedals, open up more options, and enjoy not having to destroy your left leg in crappy traffic as well as better gas mileage(yes, modern ATs are better on gas).
01-30-2019, 08:56 PM
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Engines for the all New BP Mazda 3 are the same variety for USA and Australia..
We get the 2.0 and 2.5.
BUT Mazda has done it again, lets delay the all new SPCCI 2.0 Engine for 6 months...WHY Mazda!!
YOU do this lame stuff EVERY-TIME, YES I get it as a marketing ploy, but WHY do you destroy ALL your momentum with an all new Model,
the positive Free Press (after dining them from around the world in CAL)...WHY, is there something wrong with this 'X' engine, not certified?.
It is the same for all countries, nobody gets the all new Skyactiv X until September 2019.
I seriously can never understand why you believe this is a good idea.
The ND Miata MX-5 was ONLY going to ever get the 1.5l, until USA and AU said we need a bigger engine, so a 2.0 is born.
Mazda 6, any powerful engine was delayed because of the Diesel BS, and then finally a 2.5T from the CX-9 arrives.
Mazda CX-5, the same thing, we get a 2.5T when the model is at the end of its Generation cycle.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada WANT POWER you numb skulls!..
All show and no go has given you a bad reputation, no zoom zoom!
and NOW you are going PREMIUM which is Great, but AGAIN you ONLY offer almost 10 year old ENGINES!
We get the 2.0 and 2.5.
BUT Mazda has done it again, lets delay the all new SPCCI 2.0 Engine for 6 months...WHY Mazda!!
YOU do this lame stuff EVERY-TIME, YES I get it as a marketing ploy, but WHY do you destroy ALL your momentum with an all new Model,
the positive Free Press (after dining them from around the world in CAL)...WHY, is there something wrong with this 'X' engine, not certified?.
It is the same for all countries, nobody gets the all new Skyactiv X until September 2019.
I seriously can never understand why you believe this is a good idea.
The ND Miata MX-5 was ONLY going to ever get the 1.5l, until USA and AU said we need a bigger engine, so a 2.0 is born.
Mazda 6, any powerful engine was delayed because of the Diesel BS, and then finally a 2.5T from the CX-9 arrives.
Mazda CX-5, the same thing, we get a 2.5T when the model is at the end of its Generation cycle.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada WANT POWER you numb skulls!..
All show and no go has given you a bad reputation, no zoom zoom!
and NOW you are going PREMIUM which is Great, but AGAIN you ONLY offer almost 10 year old ENGINES!
01-30-2019, 10:57 PM
#45
Smoking turbo yay
Engines for the all New BP Mazda 3 are the same variety for USA and Australia..
We get the 2.0 and 2.5.
BUT Mazda has done it again, lets delay the all new SPCCI 2.0 Engine for 6 months...WHY Mazda!!
YOU do this lame stuff EVERY-TIME, YES I get it as a marketing ploy, but WHY do you destroy ALL your momentum with an all new Model,
the positive Free Press (after dining them from around the world in CAL)...WHY, is there something wrong with this 'X' engine, not certified?.
It is the same for all countries, nobody gets the all new Skyactiv X until September 2019.
I seriously can never understand why you believe this is a good idea.
The ND Miata MX-5 was ONLY going to ever get the 1.5l, until USA and AU said we need a bigger engine, so a 2.0 is born.
Mazda 6, any powerful engine was delayed because of the Diesel BS, and then finally a 2.5T from the CX-9 arrives.
Mazda CX-5, the same thing, we get a 2.5T when the model is at the end of its Generation cycle.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada WANT POWER you numb skulls!..
All show and no go has given you a bad reputation, no zoom zoom!
and NOW you are going PREMIUM which is Great, but AGAIN you ONLY offer almost 10 year old ENGINES!
We get the 2.0 and 2.5.
BUT Mazda has done it again, lets delay the all new SPCCI 2.0 Engine for 6 months...WHY Mazda!!
YOU do this lame stuff EVERY-TIME, YES I get it as a marketing ploy, but WHY do you destroy ALL your momentum with an all new Model,
the positive Free Press (after dining them from around the world in CAL)...WHY, is there something wrong with this 'X' engine, not certified?.
It is the same for all countries, nobody gets the all new Skyactiv X until September 2019.
I seriously can never understand why you believe this is a good idea.
The ND Miata MX-5 was ONLY going to ever get the 1.5l, until USA and AU said we need a bigger engine, so a 2.0 is born.
Mazda 6, any powerful engine was delayed because of the Diesel BS, and then finally a 2.5T from the CX-9 arrives.
Mazda CX-5, the same thing, we get a 2.5T when the model is at the end of its Generation cycle.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada WANT POWER you numb skulls!..
All show and no go has given you a bad reputation, no zoom zoom!
and NOW you are going PREMIUM which is Great, but AGAIN you ONLY offer almost 10 year old ENGINES!
And I'd argue more buyers consider reliability, comfort, and cost over power. I just know that V6 Accord's take rate has been somewhere around 20%, while V6 Camry's take rate has been about 8%. I can't imagine 6 being that different unless you have figures to prove me wrong.
BTW, I have driven my friend's 2.5T, and I can tell you that 2.5T is wasted on an FWD car with an open diff. Good luck getting any grip with those factory no-season tires, and hope you have fun with torque steer while you are at it. Same thing with my Accord V6 I had before. Go RWD or AWD, then we talk about power.
Mazda has never been that focused on straight-line performance. There are other cars if you are into that. In North America, if you want a cheap car that goes fast, buy an Ecoboost Mustang and done.
01-30-2019, 11:46 PM
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I seriously can never understand why you believe this is a good idea.
The ND Miata MX-5 was ONLY going to ever get the 1.5l, until USA and AU said we need a bigger engine, so a 2.0 is born.
Mazda 6, any powerful engine was delayed because of the Diesel BS, and then finally a 2.5T from the CX-9 arrives.
Mazda CX-5, the same thing, we get a 2.5T when the model is at the end of its Generation cycle.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada WANT POWER you numb skulls!..
All show and no go has given you a bad reputation, no zoom zoom!
and NOW you are going PREMIUM which is Great, but AGAIN you ONLY offer almost 10 year old ENGINES!
The ND Miata MX-5 was ONLY going to ever get the 1.5l, until USA and AU said we need a bigger engine, so a 2.0 is born.
Mazda 6, any powerful engine was delayed because of the Diesel BS, and then finally a 2.5T from the CX-9 arrives.
Mazda CX-5, the same thing, we get a 2.5T when the model is at the end of its Generation cycle.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada WANT POWER you numb skulls!..
All show and no go has given you a bad reputation, no zoom zoom!
and NOW you are going PREMIUM which is Great, but AGAIN you ONLY offer almost 10 year old ENGINES!
based on data of 2018 %of saturation of the factories in Japan is not so far from 100% (apart the flooding problem), there is room in China and Mexico (seems 10 to 20% ,based on statements of executives).
China factory works for China and close countries , not for export in different continents. That market adsorb the cars mainly. I don't think that the lack of 2.5 T affect a lot sales in China.
Mexico build 2 and 3, basically, again..2.5 T is not really an issue.
US sales and going up market? Yes, i agree with you that Mazda need more engines from 250 HP and upwards, i'm expecting that this thing will be addressed with the new "large architecture " that will be displayed (production form) at Tokyo Motor Show this autumn.
i hope (and i think) that are working on it, very hard....and crossing fingers about an inline 6 feeded with gasoline.
Sky X delayed? yes, this don't sounds good, but is a tiny company, this things simply happens in small caps.
Just a note: last autumn in EU the new anti pollution rules (NOT CO2, pollution) are entered as mandatory (we call it "Euro6d-temp"), almost every manufacturer (i mean top tier Germans, Italians an some French) has silently put some important models off the listings "for upgrades", i mean BMW in line 6 turbo, AMG models, some Porsche and more popular models (also 124 have been affected),
Guess what Brand had none of this issues, i mean zero models pulled out of listings?
Mazda.
Tier Euro6d-Temp compliant from Day 1 .
For @ASH8 : my brother has purchased a MY19 Mazda6 Wagon 2.5 gasoline (after tested mine)
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01-31-2019, 03:29 PM
#47
I wonder how different the NA and turbo 2.5 engines are. Mazda could use the exact same base engine for the entire line and then let people buy the parts and add whatever they want themselves.
04-11-2019, 02:20 PM
#48
A brutally honest, yet refreshing review of the new Mazda3.
Long story short - it is significantly better than the previous generation Mazda3 in every department (minus identical drivetrain), including the chassis dynamics. Now, quit crying about the torsion beam suspension, because Mazda has tuned the suspension and chassis to be far superior than models before.
Long story short - it is significantly better than the previous generation Mazda3 in every department (minus identical drivetrain), including the chassis dynamics. Now, quit crying about the torsion beam suspension, because Mazda has tuned the suspension and chassis to be far superior than models before.
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04-11-2019, 06:26 PM
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Before I view SayNotoPistons new post, there is one huge issue (as I see it) that Mazda has dropped the ball on.
MZD Connect II or Mazda Connect II, which is the new version which will roll out to all new models coming.
1. No Touchscreen, and yes I know the removal of touch is for 'safety' or is it to just save a few Yen $$'s per car made.?
2. The OS set up is way too complicated to navigate through.
Most other brands have touchscreens and most are way more simpler to use and operate.
As the guy on CR said Mazda has gone backwards by ONLY having a Comander ****...doing what BMW did 10 years ago with a complicated OS set up.
I dont get JCI why after a decade of refining original Mazda Connect they come out with this!
And it is huge that every Mazda out in the next few years will have this exact new system, you will have every journalist complaining about it for the next 10 years.
Another bad move Mazda.
Dont get me started as to WHY Mazda has left out Skyactiv X engines for 6 months before release...they do this BS everytime.
PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD FIRST MAZDA!, OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL!
MZD Connect II or Mazda Connect II, which is the new version which will roll out to all new models coming.
1. No Touchscreen, and yes I know the removal of touch is for 'safety' or is it to just save a few Yen $$'s per car made.?
2. The OS set up is way too complicated to navigate through.
Most other brands have touchscreens and most are way more simpler to use and operate.
As the guy on CR said Mazda has gone backwards by ONLY having a Comander ****...doing what BMW did 10 years ago with a complicated OS set up.
I dont get JCI why after a decade of refining original Mazda Connect they come out with this!
And it is huge that every Mazda out in the next few years will have this exact new system, you will have every journalist complaining about it for the next 10 years.
Another bad move Mazda.
Dont get me started as to WHY Mazda has left out Skyactiv X engines for 6 months before release...they do this BS everytime.
PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD FIRST MAZDA!, OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL!
