czr

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I saw a GTO on the lot with a the $1300 gas guzzler tax imposed by the gov on the sticker this past weekend which means at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 combined mpg.

I think the gov got a good testing 8 for us not to be imposed this tax.

czr

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Unless you wanted out of the 8 on purpose, I don't see why you wouldn't reconsider it.

Christianv

Yes, the 300ZX. When looking for a Z, I'd say look at 93 and up. There were many changes to the turbo cooling plumbing, interior trim went from tweed to suede, HICAS was changed to an electric servo as opposed to hydraulic in 94, new injector design in 95, etc.

In short, 93 and up are your best bet. Clean TT Z's can be found all over the place price-wise. 15-20k for a clean one is not unheard of, but you might be able to find cheaper ones. There are 2 major services @60k and 120k miles and they run you about $900 parts and labor. Other than the 60k service and regular oil changes, my car has been bulletproof and and absolute blast to drive.

To be honest, out of the 3 older cars, the FD and the Z would be my choices.

StealthFox

i still don't get it, why don't you just get another RX-8.

and christianv "To be honest, out of the 3 older cars, the FD and the Z would be my choices."

the FD is way too much for someone with less than 5 years of experience and is absolutley not a DD car. i know someone with 7 years of driving experience and 4 years of experience with an FD and making a turn the boost came on(this is all stock) and he broke traction and slid out into a curb causing 4,000 dollars in damage.

BlueEyes

Time behind the wheel doesn't necessarily mean someone is a good driver. There are some people with 0 legal years driving on the road who can handle cars better than people with 40 years experience.

Ike

You need a used Outback, ultra safe, very reliable, cheap to insure, and you'll have all the lesbian chicks you want!

StealthFox

generally car enthusiasts develop skill quicker than most people so yes that is correct and i can't argue with you because from all of my mountain driving and parking lot auto crossing im better at driving that my parents and they have been driving for around 30 years each i suppose, but someone with 7 years of auto cross and peformance driving and 4 years of owning an FD would have a little bit better skill than some kid in his late teens or early 20's who just crashed his rx8.

Steiner

To the thead starter, Rosy says go get yourself an Outback and a rainbow sticker for the rear bumper young man!

HardHitter

Anyways, to get this topic back on track....

I checked insurance quotes and got Intersting numbers.... I got onto Progressive.com and these are the quotes it gave me for a 19 year old male, with good grades and no tickets, now with an accident though.

These quotes were given when the car is for personal use(school, work, etc), 20 miles travel one way to work, 15000 annual miles a year a lot less most likely unless I take road trips and it will be own and make no payments.

Violations:
Traffic Incident #1: Accident - At fault/Not at fault
Estimated total bodily injury to yourself and other parties: 0
Estimated total property damage to all vehicles and other property: $25000 (I put the amount of my car right?)

These are all under the "recommended" type quotes.

Bodily Injury and Property Damage $100,000 person / $300,000 accident / $100,000 property
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $100,000 person / $300,000 accident
Uninsured Motorist Property Damage $3,500 property no deductable
Medical Payments $5,000 each person

Vehicle:
Comprehensive $500 deductible
Collision $500 deductible
Rental $30/day ($900 max)
Roadside Assistance Selected

ALL QUOTES ARE BASED ON A 6 MONTH PAYMENT POLICY
So I am guessing this means that I divide the monthly payment by two in order to get the real monthly payment over 12 months, not 6 months like they have.

2004 Mazda RX-8:
Pay in full - $2,468.90
Pay monthly - $412.32 per month

2003 Nissan 350Z:
Pay in full - $2,452.90
Pay monthly - $409.65 per month

2005 Pontiac GTO:
Pay in full - $2,044.90
Pay monthly - $341.64 per month

2003 Ford Mustang GT:
Pay in full - $2,173.90
Pay monthly - $363.14 per month

2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT:
Pay in full - $2,332.90
Pay monthly - $389.65 per month

I truley do not understand... how can the V8, high HP cars such as the GTO, GT, and Cobra be less expensive than the smaller V6 and 1.3L Rotary engines? I would of thought that the V8's would be a lot higher than the 350Z and RX-8, even more of a surprise, it says that the 350Z is cheaper than the RX-8 when the 8 is considered a 1.3L 4 door sedan, and the 350Z is a 2 door coupe.

Ike

Probably because the Z and the RX-8 are more expensive to fix. By the way, if I had to pay that much for car insurance I'd quit my job and find another one in walking distance and ride my skateboard to work

HardHitter

Yeah, that's what I was expecting... it's intersting though, I could get a 2004 GTO for as much or cheaper than the 350Z and pay less insurance. Same thing with the GT and Cobra, only thing is that the V8 is really going to kill gas mileage hu?

Captkeith

I'm a 19 year old male with no tickets and no accidents in a university ect.... My insurance actually stopped my policy all together. They would not insure me for any amount of money.. that was State Farm ... I now have Nationwide but its still comparable to your figures.

When I say insure me I mean they wouldnt give me collision... I believe they would cover me on liability but who does that with a brand new car?... not me

Dinhx8

I'm confused, those are some wickedly steep prices.
- I think if as you said ALL ARE BASED ON A 6 MONTH PAYMENT POLICY.
So you renew your insurance every 6 months. SO, my feeling is, divide the above ANNUAL number by 2. That gives you your bi annual rate (6 month rate) Then divided THAT number by 6 to get Monthly. This is my guess, cause those are some high costs man.



So the rx8 would be 2,468 divided by 2, *then divided by 6. = which is around 206 per month.

Ike

The Cobra will be about the same as the RX-8 and the GT will probably be a little better mileage wise.

Ike

I don't think you realize how much is costs to insure a young driver, especially one with a accident on their record. My 18 year old nephew pays $200 a month just for liability.

snizzle

You don't want a '04 GTO... the very next year they put the 400HP LS2 from the C5 ZO6 Vette in it. Maybe that's why you can get one so cheap now.

Dinhx8

i just re did the formula in my edited post....

i just divided the annual number (in the case of the 8 - 2,468.90 by 2.
That gets you a 6 month cost.
then divided that total by 6 to get a monthly cost.

so in Hard hitters case its in the 206 per month realm...

if the quotes they gave him (2,468) was for 6 months, then it is 400 per month.
But if that figure is for the year, than its about 200 per month...

BlueEyes

I don't think it much matters, mods are everywhere for both engines.

snizzle

it matters if you want to start modding with a 50HP higher baseline.... now the cost to get an '05 instead might not be worth it though

Ike

I still stand by my statement that you don't realize how much it costs to insure a young driver. When I was 19 and had my DSM, with a couple tickets my insurance was $300 a month. I would imagine there are people our age paying 200+ a month to insure their RX-8.

HardHitter

Ike, those are costs for a 19 year old male and my accident incorporated into it.

Dinhx8

Oh, i guess your example is the world's. I also love how you need to 'stand by' your statement. You're a strong and dedicated man.

Here's some news. I was 18 once too. Had 2 tickets. I Never paid that much. I

All Im saying is that for every person paying x amount insurance, there are as many not. So why does that mean I don't understand?????

Whether or not i understand it is not worth arguing, i was trying to do a formula, to help Hard Hitter. He GAVE me the numbers, Im not even making them up. The formula speaks for itself. If it helps him great. If not, then it doesnt. IM not trying to prove any points. Do you not understand math?

DARKMAZ8

Insurance rates are based on a number of factors. Age, vehicle, driving record, usage, location, marital status, past insurance claims....ect.

It's very hard to determine someone elses rates based just on age alone.

Steiner

After seeing those ridiculous rates, I would suggest buying an old muscle car. If you can get your hands on a '66 Nova, '66 Barracuda or one of the late 60's Chevelles/442/Skylark GS's you'll have a blast. Insurance will be cheaper because their is no need for collision. You'll also be smog exempt. You'll save hundreds a month on car payments and insurance so don't even start with the gas mileage excuse.

Ike

I tried to pint out ina civil manner that you're confused but I guess that just doesn't get the point across. Do you not understand that those numbers are per 6 months? He gave you the numbers for 6 months and you then turned them into a 1 year quote. If your formula could speak for itself it would be calling you a moron for dividing a 6 month quote by 12 in order to come up with a monthly payment.



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