Broker73

lol...so predicable...I knew this thread would get you going!...go have a drink IKE (if you're old enough?)

that's right..I I forgot..one mag time is proof!!..lol..weren't you the one saying many times over that 5.9-6.1 mag times for the 8 are not proof?....and that in real world driving it would be hard to duplicate...ok I know jumping topics, but it's amazing how you use mag stats when they suit your needs.....case in point.....should I post some rx8 times from motor trend or Car and Driver now and call them proof??..lol...we all know what your reaction would be..you'd brush those off and start quoting drag times you've witnessed by "expert" drivers I am sure..lol very convenient.

waayyy to easy to get you going....bring up RX8 times or talk about an STI and watch out!

Tough guy?...I am just saying it's easy to name call on here, and speaks volumes about the individual when more than likely they would not do it in person :}

Now go post your 7000+ blurb on a forum where you don't own, or have never owned an 8?

Ike

So I'm the "**** stirrer" yet you just admitted that you were just trying to "get me going". Congrats, you got me to post in this thread like I would post in any other thread like this on any car forum. You're freaking brilliant!

mike0615

i can cut the tension with a butter knife......


BMW FTW!!!! the pimp factor goes in the bimmers favor in the end. argument over.

Feras

iTrader: (1)

yeah i think im gonna go on another bimmer joyride

Broker73

no tension :}......IKE's just upset that my last post was bang on about his mag times being proof when all along in other posts (different threads) he has said otherwise!!..lol.....and yes IKE, you were so easy to bait and I think your true colors came out.


http://www.caranddriver.com/longroad...x-8-page4.html

well according to this link the 8 runs 0-60 in 5.9 and the 1/4 in 14.6 when broken in?

Just like you said IKE it's proof right?...lol..sorry couldn't resist.

eforer

I doubt it, your talking about a heavier car, with a spring/damping package enginered with some degree of comfort in mind, a weight disadvantage, a drive train disadvantage and a more or less equal wheel tire package.

When your at a race track and you see a well driven sti or evo with some R compound rubber, you realize how athletic these cars are. I've never been too impressed with the later generation m3s etc. even on some serious rubber when I've seen them driven on the track. Granted these are impressions, and not empircal as the drivers are different etc. That said they appear pretty seriously out classed on the race track by the less compromised track bred offerings like the evo, sti, elise, zo6 etc. That diminishes them in no way as a road car though as the compromises in performance are made in favor of a more palletable street driving experience.

Swerve76

I remember Jeremy Clarkson driving the Evo FQ430 (or something like that) against a pro British Rally car driver in a Gallardo on the TG track. No matter how hard the pro driver tried - he could not shake off Clarkson.

But lets be frank here...which one would you rather have been in? As much as Ike loves his Evo - I'd bet my left nut that even he would pick the Gallardo. If he says otherwise - I'd call him a liar

So on a lesser scale here - but why on earth would anyone compare a top of the range BMW (till the new M3 is released) to a Subaru? STi or not it is still a cheap clunker in comparison. Sure the STi maybe matches the 335i in terms of speed and likely out handles it by a little...but it will be giving up so much more in terms of class, refinement and finesse to name but a few. I'd take the 335i over an STi, Evo or an 8 anyday if I was willing/able to pony up.

Just curious - how much does an STi and a 335i cost in the states? To put things into perspective, a brand new 6MT from Mazda Singapore costs USD$72,000. And nope that aint a typo.

Oh and for the record a brand new 335i here would cost USD$160,000 and the STi USD$77,5000.

Ike

Oh noes, I've been baited!

Ike

And yes, I'd take the Gallardo in a heartbeat. But I want this one...

playdoh43

if anything the 335 has a drive train advantage over the sti, the 335 engine is very underated compared to the sti, automobile magazine had an article about this. on average they are making 285whp and 300wtq. being heavier is not enough to get it demolished by the sti.

Flynbri

iTrader: (1)

335i with the sport package is $42,575. STi is $34,960. I agree the comparison isn't valid, but but for different reasons. You can't assume everyone who can afford either car would prefer the 335. I can say that because I'm one of the people who would prefer the STi. I don't have a problem with BMW (my wife drives an X5) but I prefer the fun type of driving that these types of cars (STi's, EVO's, 8's, Z's, etc.) inspire. And, I don't need the validation from others that you seem to imply would come from driving the more "prestigous" car. Of course, that being said, I'll take my Gallardo in red, please

Broker73

I do think the STI has made "its mark" and is a fun car (driven in one a few times), but simply wasn't for me....and IMO I do not like the styling?

Money aside, I think the 335 offers a refined level of performance, and as mentioned here before, I think BMW understated the power of these engines as witnessed by most ( I think all?) of the tests on that car that easily beat the factory estimates.

I do miss the 8 though....that car was like a glove! by far the most planted I have felt on a road, but the bimmer holds its own....the sport package does make a difference.

RPIRX-8

x2 on this one. I still think the only BMWs worth owning are the M3 or M Coupe. Lets put it this way, we've all seen the articles etc about the 8 making up for lack of power with balance and handling. My ability to compete on a track with an M3 depends on the track setup. If we are at Tremblant, edge goes to M3 because there are more straights. NHIS, I'll take the edge because I can brake deeper, carry more speed into and through the corner, and less weight to move around. And none if this is saying BMWs are great cars, because they are. Problem is everyone and their mother, grandmother, kids, aunts, uncles, 2nd cousins, ex girlfriends drive one. This no longer makes it a status symbol to me. Personally, for 42 grand, I'd rather have an RX-8 with a proper suspension setup, body reinforcement, cage, harnesses, Pettit supercharger, RPF1s, r compounds and the list goes on. In fact, thats exactly my plan

Steiner

The only type of closed course in which a 335i could run with an STi would be the drag strip. The STi outhandles the E46 M3. It's better competition for the E36 M3. Any M3 will be significantly more tossable than a 335i. I believe the original poster already was fully aware of that too because he specifically asked people to just compare the 2 cars in a straightline.

BTW..Broker...I don't know you or Ike but it's quite easy to see who brought information to this thread and who brought an attitude.