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09-16-2009, 09:23 PM
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First of all YOU were the one talking trash about the Renesis engine. NYC just refuted you.
I actually did watch all your videos, and refuted them.
Now to refute your new "points"
1. This is the first time Mazda has tried the Side port Rotary, which is much more efficient and powerful than any other STOCK (non turbo in case you still dont get it) rotary engine. The different OMP system, which is the main source of the trouble was done for cost cutting, not engine design.
2. More recalls than 7's??? ARE YOU INSANE. 7's had recalls for OMP's, Fuel Systems, HOSES LMAO, Engine Cooling, Brakes, Hydraulics, Google RX7 Recalls and... STFU.
and the RX8 Engine is a new design, whereas the Previous 13B's are 30+ years old. Also, since 2006 flashes, and minor changes the engine issues have gone down drastically... STFU
3. People swap for more power... not reliability... STFU
4. NYC didn't say RX7 engines are crap. He stated that the NA Renny is comparable in power to the 13B's with stock turbo's, and are more efficient to boot. Yet you judge reliability via 6-7 Second 1\4mile times... STFU
My point of the RX8 vs Rx7 Video was that if the 8 driver didn't baby his tranny he would have done a better job of keeping up with the 7. the 7 is also 300lbs lighter, so its not an even fight no matter the engine. There are too many variables, but suffice it to say that with a different driver the 8 can win that easily.
Referring to your question "So my question is where does the 13b-msp stand against any RX7 engine ?"
Hmm, lets see.
Renesis 13BMSP: 232 HP / 160 lb Feet.
FB 12A NA : 100HP
FB 12A Turbo: 165 hp /137 lb ft.
FB 13B RE-EGI: 135 hp / 133 ft·lbf.
FC 13B-DEI Turbo-II :185 hp
89–91 FC 13B-DEI Turbo-II: 200 hp
1992–1995 Mazda RX-7 13B-REW (Twin Turbo), 255 hp
1996–1998 Mazda RX-7 13B-REW (Twin Turbo), 265 hp
1999–2002 Mazda RX-7 13B-REW(Twin Turbo), 280 hp
The only RX7 engines which surpassed the Renesis from the factory, required TWO Turbos to do so and still wouldn't meet emissions... STFU
I actually did watch all your videos, and refuted them.
Now to refute your new "points"
1. This is the first time Mazda has tried the Side port Rotary, which is much more efficient and powerful than any other STOCK (non turbo in case you still dont get it) rotary engine. The different OMP system, which is the main source of the trouble was done for cost cutting, not engine design.
2. More recalls than 7's??? ARE YOU INSANE. 7's had recalls for OMP's, Fuel Systems, HOSES LMAO, Engine Cooling, Brakes, Hydraulics, Google RX7 Recalls and... STFU.
and the RX8 Engine is a new design, whereas the Previous 13B's are 30+ years old. Also, since 2006 flashes, and minor changes the engine issues have gone down drastically... STFU
3. People swap for more power... not reliability... STFU
4. NYC didn't say RX7 engines are crap. He stated that the NA Renny is comparable in power to the 13B's with stock turbo's, and are more efficient to boot. Yet you judge reliability via 6-7 Second 1\4mile times... STFU
My point of the RX8 vs Rx7 Video was that if the 8 driver didn't baby his tranny he would have done a better job of keeping up with the 7. the 7 is also 300lbs lighter, so its not an even fight no matter the engine. There are too many variables, but suffice it to say that with a different driver the 8 can win that easily.
Referring to your question "So my question is where does the 13b-msp stand against any RX7 engine ?"
Hmm, lets see.
Renesis 13BMSP: 232 HP / 160 lb Feet.
FB 12A NA : 100HP
FB 12A Turbo: 165 hp /137 lb ft.
FB 13B RE-EGI: 135 hp / 133 ft·lbf.
FC 13B-DEI Turbo-II :185 hp
89–91 FC 13B-DEI Turbo-II: 200 hp
1992–1995 Mazda RX-7 13B-REW (Twin Turbo), 255 hp
1996–1998 Mazda RX-7 13B-REW (Twin Turbo), 265 hp
1999–2002 Mazda RX-7 13B-REW(Twin Turbo), 280 hp
The only RX7 engines which surpassed the Renesis from the factory, required TWO Turbos to do so and still wouldn't meet emissions... STFU
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09-16-2009, 09:39 PM
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Again, people we are dealing with theory, your details and searches are well noted, but lets face the fact there hasn't been a 13b-msp / renesis engine that can do 2/3 of what the other RX7 engine do.
Your stats are correct, but what I'm trying to clarify is allthough the theory of this and that compared with other engines...
Not a single Rotary Enthusuatic will rely on using the 13b-msp engine for what ever case you are stating.
Refute all the videos if you want, refute that the Renesis engine is not the engine we expected on the Rx8 in the first place.
What cannot be refuted is that many racers tend to use only the Rx8 chassis and invest under the hood with a diferent engine not being the RENESIS, simple as that.. is that too hard to accept and understand
Your stats are correct, but what I'm trying to clarify is allthough the theory of this and that compared with other engines...
Not a single Rotary Enthusuatic will rely on using the 13b-msp engine for what ever case you are stating.
Refute all the videos if you want, refute that the Renesis engine is not the engine we expected on the Rx8 in the first place.
What cannot be refuted is that many racers tend to use only the Rx8 chassis and invest under the hood with a diferent engine not being the RENESIS, simple as that.. is that too hard to accept and understand
09-16-2009, 09:42 PM
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you obviously have not seen what chris from esmeril has done to his renesis
09-16-2009, 09:49 PM
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I guess your the Noob, Chris is one of many Puerto Rico Rotary Turbo Engineers....
Should I also mention some of the most well known rotary engineers in N/A, SC & TURBO , track & street modifiers....
Rob Gonzalez
Gaby Skern
Alexis Rotary Tech
MechTech - Javi - Pito
Joe Turbo
El Siquiatra - Ei & Sons
and the list continues...
search nooby...
Should I also mention some of the most well known rotary engineers in N/A, SC & TURBO , track & street modifiers....
Rob Gonzalez
Gaby Skern
Alexis Rotary Tech
MechTech - Javi - Pito
Joe Turbo
El Siquiatra - Ei & Sons
and the list continues...
search nooby...
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09-16-2009, 09:50 PM
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09-16-2009, 09:58 PM
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09-16-2009, 10:05 PM
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Reason to change the subject is because rather than wasting time back and forth when most of us will never own the fastest RX8 in the world, or have the best engineers working in our cars... this is just another misleaded thread with no direction of so ever nor does it have a purpose...
However nobody has answered:
The stats are correct, but what is to clarify is allthough the theory of this and that compared with other engines is great...
Not a single Rotary Enthusuatic will rely on using the 13b-msp engine for what ever case you are stating.
Refute all the videos if you want, refute that the Renesis engine is not the engine we expected on the Rx8 in the first place.
What cannot be refuted is that many racers tend to use only the Rx8 chassis and invest under the hood with a diferent engine not being the RENESIS, simple as that.. is that too hard to accept and understand
However nobody has answered:
The stats are correct, but what is to clarify is allthough the theory of this and that compared with other engines is great...
Not a single Rotary Enthusuatic will rely on using the 13b-msp engine for what ever case you are stating.
Refute all the videos if you want, refute that the Renesis engine is not the engine we expected on the Rx8 in the first place.
What cannot be refuted is that many racers tend to use only the Rx8 chassis and invest under the hood with a diferent engine not being the RENESIS, simple as that.. is that too hard to accept and understand
09-16-2009, 10:12 PM
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again what is you ******* point,,,
That can be said for just about any race car in the world you idiot
awaiting the Ban hammer,,,
Im guessing this person is about 17 and a half yrs old anyone want to start a pool on this,,,
That can be said for just about any race car in the world you idiot
awaiting the Ban hammer,,,
Im guessing this person is about 17 and a half yrs old anyone want to start a pool on this,,,
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09-16-2009, 10:38 PM
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To touch on all your points. Renesis is a newer design, thus the aftermarket hasn't grown for it yet. The previous 13B design was produced for over 30 years, allowing the Aftermarket to get accustomed to it and over R&D the heck out of it. The Renesis has been out for 6 years. 1\3 of the time, and already 2\3 of the ability (according to you). Damn, I would love to see what another 6 years bring.
You said not a single rotary enthusiast uses the 13BMSP. Well, you are on a forum full of them, we have a list of about 50 ppl who have turbo's and while you might not like the power they put out, they are enthusiasts nonetheless.
Chris of Esmeril Racing is an Enthusiast and Aftermarket designer, and his Kit is running 414 Dyno proven and around 520 Stated Horsepower. Which is on average what most FD Owners run.
I'm not sure what you expected, but I had info on the Side Port since before I had my license (long time FD fan) and I researched since then (2000 IIRC).
A lot of Race teams swap out the engine because they have to run NA motors, so they put in 3 Rotors. But their are just as many people running RX8's with the Renesis and Diasio Runs turbo Renesis motors in all their cars
http://diasio.com/
I don't know why you posted all those techs, or what motor they choose to work on, but Chris of Esmeril Racing chooses to R&D the Renesis motor, why? because he knows of the untapped potential period.
Also is R&D for the Renesis:
Jeff AKA Mazdamaniac
Black Halo Racing
Fluid Motorsports
Bryan Nickell @ BNR
BDC Motorsports
Race Roots
Kane with the PP02 Tuner
Hymee with the Scanguage
Cobb Designers of Accessport
but you could have easily found out all of this if you had only searched... noob.
P.S. I'm going to the gym, meaning I wont be responding to you for a few hours, don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm going to allow you to continue to spew worthless info, just take solace in the fact that I wont be around to refute you again for some time. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I'll be back
09-16-2009, 10:42 PM
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i know some of you have seen this already but im so in love with this car!! rx7 and rx8 meshed together! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX2e2...er_profilepage
09-16-2009, 10:49 PM
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I guess your the Noob, Chris is one of many Puerto Rico Rotary Turbo Engineers....
Should I also mention some of the most well known rotary engineers in N/A, SC & TURBO , track & street modifiers....
Rob Gonzalez
Gaby Skern
Alexis Rotary Tech
MechTech - Javi - Pito
Joe Turbo
El Siquiatra - Ei & Sons
and the list continues...
search nooby...
Should I also mention some of the most well known rotary engineers in N/A, SC & TURBO , track & street modifiers....
Rob Gonzalez
Gaby Skern
Alexis Rotary Tech
MechTech - Javi - Pito
Joe Turbo
El Siquiatra - Ei & Sons
and the list continues...
search nooby...
I already knew that stuff. I had to remind you what chris did. You probably still don't know what he's done to his RENESIS.
I am not even going to bother with this anymore. You are nothing more than a troll coming in here talking **** about a car we all love and for some reason you drive. Sell your car now and gtfo.
09-16-2009, 10:53 PM
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We can be here all night, this and that...bottom line is accept the fact the RENESIS ENGINE would never reach 900hp, so don't lecture me on the pros & cons... face it , and allthough the engineering of the renesis has only been 6 years in the market and with another 6 more years to add hopefully we will experience a 900hp RENESIS, but until then...
The RENESIS will still have to be under development to better the Legendary RX7 engines... plain and simple as that...
As for your list they are well known experienced rotary engineers, owners & vendors and know their products, plus I admit I love what they do to their cars each and one of them, you should do some more research noob.. cause eventually you just discovered AMERICA they have also been known with the engineers I've mentioned.... feel free to ask..
The RENESIS will still have to be under development to better the Legendary RX7 engines... plain and simple as that...
As for your list they are well known experienced rotary engineers, owners & vendors and know their products, plus I admit I love what they do to their cars each and one of them, you should do some more research noob.. cause eventually you just discovered AMERICA they have also been known with the engineers I've mentioned.... feel free to ask..
I thought I was the only one who noticed that. but I won't allow it
To touch on all your points. Renesis is a newer design, thus the aftermarket hasn't grown for it yet. The previous 13B design was produced for over 30 years, allowing the Aftermarket to get accustomed to it and over R&D the heck out of it. The Renesis has been out for 6 years. 1\3 of the time, and already 2\3 of the ability (according to you). Damn, I would love to see what another 6 years bring.
You said not a single rotary enthusiast uses the 13BMSP. Well, you are on a forum full of them, we have a list of about 50 ppl who have turbo's and while you might not like the power they put out, they are enthusiasts nonetheless.
Chris of Esmeril Racing is an Enthusiast and Aftermarket designer, and his Kit is running 414 Dyno proven and around 520 Stated Horsepower. Which is on average what most FD Owners run.
I'm not sure what you expected, but I had info on the Side Port since before I had my license (long time FD fan) and I researched since then (2000 IIRC).
A lot of Race teams swap out the engine because they have to run NA motors, so they put in 3 Rotors. But their are just as many people running RX8's with the Renesis and Diasio Runs turbo Renesis motors in all their cars
http://diasio.com/
I don't know why you posted all those techs, or what motor they choose to work on, but Chris of Esmeril Racing chooses to R&D the Renesis motor, why? because he knows of the untapped potential period.
Also is R&D for the Renesis:
Jeff AKA Mazdamaniac
Black Halo Racing
Fluid Motorsports
Bryan Nickell @ BNR
BDC Motorsports
Race Roots
Kane with the PP02 Tuner
Hymee with the Scanguage
Cobb Designers of Accessport
but you could have easily found out all of this if you had only searched... noob.
P.S. I'm going to the gym, meaning I wont be responding to you for a few hours, don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm going to allow you to continue to spew worthless info, just take solace in the fact that I wont be around to refute you again for some time. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I'll be back
To touch on all your points. Renesis is a newer design, thus the aftermarket hasn't grown for it yet. The previous 13B design was produced for over 30 years, allowing the Aftermarket to get accustomed to it and over R&D the heck out of it. The Renesis has been out for 6 years. 1\3 of the time, and already 2\3 of the ability (according to you). Damn, I would love to see what another 6 years bring.
You said not a single rotary enthusiast uses the 13BMSP. Well, you are on a forum full of them, we have a list of about 50 ppl who have turbo's and while you might not like the power they put out, they are enthusiasts nonetheless.
Chris of Esmeril Racing is an Enthusiast and Aftermarket designer, and his Kit is running 414 Dyno proven and around 520 Stated Horsepower. Which is on average what most FD Owners run.
I'm not sure what you expected, but I had info on the Side Port since before I had my license (long time FD fan) and I researched since then (2000 IIRC).
A lot of Race teams swap out the engine because they have to run NA motors, so they put in 3 Rotors. But their are just as many people running RX8's with the Renesis and Diasio Runs turbo Renesis motors in all their cars
http://diasio.com/
I don't know why you posted all those techs, or what motor they choose to work on, but Chris of Esmeril Racing chooses to R&D the Renesis motor, why? because he knows of the untapped potential period.
Also is R&D for the Renesis:
Jeff AKA Mazdamaniac
Black Halo Racing
Fluid Motorsports
Bryan Nickell @ BNR
BDC Motorsports
Race Roots
Kane with the PP02 Tuner
Hymee with the Scanguage
Cobb Designers of Accessport
but you could have easily found out all of this if you had only searched... noob.
P.S. I'm going to the gym, meaning I wont be responding to you for a few hours, don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm going to allow you to continue to spew worthless info, just take solace in the fact that I wont be around to refute you again for some time. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I'll be back
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