2010 Camaro
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It's a Cavalier
I mean, look at what they did to the Eclipse. I would have bought that beautiful concept in a second. The production car is one of the ugliest things you see on the road.
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Looks absolutely incredible. I'm normally a big fan of white cars on sports cars, but the 2010 Camaro definitely looks the best in silver. Only thing that bothers me is the taillights that looked so amazing earlier seem to have been genericized a bit in those other photos. I think a little bit of tint over them fix that right up, though.
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^ewww...dude....Concept is ugly too! lol......It looks like a VW Beetle!
I actually owned a 2K Eclipse before I bought the 8. I like the two old body styles.....the first one is the best...IMO....
You're right about GM keeping the concept styling....except a few minor changes..that was pretty cool of them.. I was just saying....I really like those rear view mirrors on the concept....
I actually owned a 2K Eclipse before I bought the 8. I like the two old body styles.....the first one is the best...IMO....
You're right about GM keeping the concept styling....except a few minor changes..that was pretty cool of them.. I was just saying....I really like those rear view mirrors on the concept....
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love the looks, will probably have one in my driveway very soon.
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I'm going to wait to see if they come out with a Z28 version. I also don't like getting first Model year cars, they need time to work out the bugs.
Damn, those are RX8- Wheels.
Damn, those are RX8- Wheels.
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^^^ your wife won't let you!
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^^^Well, I did buy my rx-8 more because of looks more than anything even though it has no power, so I could possibly see myself buying the trans-am more for looks despite the lack of handling, but I do know a lighter car feels much better driving than some of the tanks GM makes. We'll see if it even comes out, and with the gas price situation, who knows?
Funny oil is almost down to $100 per barrel, yet gas is still in the 3.70's in most places. What a crock. When oil first hit $100, I believe gas wasn't even $3.00/gal. It is now 100% gouging my friends.
Funny oil is almost down to $100 per barrel, yet gas is still in the 3.70's in most places. What a crock. When oil first hit $100, I believe gas wasn't even $3.00/gal. It is now 100% gouging my friends.
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^^^Well, I did buy my rx-8 more because of looks more than anything even though it has no power, so I could possibly see myself buying the trans-am more for looks despite the lack of handling, but I do know a lighter car feels much better driving than some of the tanks GM makes. We'll see if it even comes out, and with the gas price situation, who knows?
Funny oil is almost down to $100 per barrel, yet gas is still in the 3.70's in most places. What a crock. When oil first hit $100, I believe gas wasn't even $3.00/gal. It is now 100% gouging my friends.
Funny oil is almost down to $100 per barrel, yet gas is still in the 3.70's in most places. What a crock. When oil first hit $100, I believe gas wasn't even $3.00/gal. It is now 100% gouging my friends.
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Camaro Z/28 To be or not to be
I wish they would come out with it, even if it is a sales failure, that way I can get my hands on it.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...rns/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...rns/index.html
These are strange times at post-bailout GM. Having taken taxpayer money, the company is no longer master of its own destiny. It was bad enough when, late last year, new-model programs were halted to conserve dwindling cash reserves. Now, though, there's another thread running through GM's product planning process: not, should we build this vehicle, but is this a vehicle we should be seen to be building?
The Camaro Z/28 is one of those vehicles.
Sources inside GM say the new Z/28 is basically done. The image you see on these pages is very close to the final signed-off design, based on photos of a scale clay model we've seen. Key details to note are the deeper front bumper fascia, with larger front aperture under the grille and the spotlights mounted in deep vents on either side. The Z/28 also gets a different grille mesh compared with the standard Camaro's.
At the rear is a taller lip spoiler that runs the full width of the car. A new rear-bumper fascia features a deeper section with integrated exhaust outlets. The wheels are 20-inchers with an aggressive "tuning-fork" five-spoke pattern.
A new hood features a large, forward-facing scoop. Underneath is the 6.2-liter supercharged LSA V-8 that also powers the Cadillac CTS-V. As we have already confirmed, this is quite a powerplant, delivering 556 horsepower at 6100 rpm and 551 pound-feet of torque at 3800 rpm. The Z/28 will also share the CTS-Vs six speed manual and automatic transmissions.
The near-4300-pound CTS-V thunders from 0 to 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and nails the quarter mile in 12.3 seconds (automatic) or 12.4 seconds (manual). Top speed is limited to 175 mph in the auto (to preserve the tranny), but the manual will storm to an autobahn-melting 193 mph. As the Z/28 will weigh 200 to 300 pounds less than the CTS-V, it may nail 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and run the quarter in the very low 12s. This Z/28 could be the fastest Chevy ponycar since the legendary ZL-1-powered COPO 9560 Camaros built 40 years ago.
Only problem is the Z/28 is on hold. First, GM ran out of money to finish and launch the car. Now, some inside the company are wondering whether selling a super-fast, super-powerful two-door Chevy coupe that will likely get no better than 13-19 mpg is the right thing to do for a company that's had to beg for money from a bunch of politicians who seem to think it really ought to be building gas-sipping Prius clones.
"In the current environment, it would be very difficult to get any traction on a large rear-drive program," says one insider. But a hard core of performance enthusiasts inside GM are hopeful they can get the Z/28 back on track. "If we leave it too long, the car will become irrelevant," frets one source. One idea reportedly under study calls for a strictly limited production run, with each car individually numbered, to attract collectors and enthusiasts, and priced to ensure a solid profit margin.
According to sources, GM product chief Bob Lutz has said that, while he would love to do the car, "We need to make the world right first." However, that could take cash-crunched GM a long, long time.
The Australian-developed Zeta platform that underpins the Camaro was the linchpin of GM's global rear-drive strategy. Although developed as a much lower-cost architecture than the Detroit-developed Sigma platform that underpins the Cadillac CTS, it was being considered as the basis for an all-new rear-drive replacement for the STS/DTS sedans. That program, like every large rear-drive program at GM, is on hold.
It's not just the fact that GM is short of cash; the other issue is the tougher CAFE standards that will mandate the automaker meet 35 mpg across its fleets by 2020. While being grilled by Congress last year, all three Detroit automakers unequivocally agreed they would meet that target. Which means large, heavy rear-drive cars don't have much of a future beyond the end of the next decade.
The Zeta platform is good through 2016, say GM sources. Engineers will work on weight reduction and efficiency improvements, such as better aero and standard six-speed transmission, on all Zeta-based vehicles to keep the platform viable through then.
Zeta's future is critically important for GM in Australia, where it underpins the volume-selling Holden Commodore and variants. But there are signs GM is prepared for a post-Zeta world Down Under.
The company has already announced a version of the Chevy Cruze will be manufactured in Australia. And now it plans to build a car based off the next-generation Epsilon architecture there, too. The new Epsilon can be stretched large enough to give the interior package Aussies want; more important, it can package all-wheel drive and even a transverse-mounted V-8 under the hood.
If Zeta goes, where would that leave Camaro? One scenario is that by 2020 it will be a smaller, lighter ponycar built on the compact rear-drive Alpha architecture being developed for Cadillac.
The Camaro Z/28 is one of those vehicles.
Sources inside GM say the new Z/28 is basically done. The image you see on these pages is very close to the final signed-off design, based on photos of a scale clay model we've seen. Key details to note are the deeper front bumper fascia, with larger front aperture under the grille and the spotlights mounted in deep vents on either side. The Z/28 also gets a different grille mesh compared with the standard Camaro's.
At the rear is a taller lip spoiler that runs the full width of the car. A new rear-bumper fascia features a deeper section with integrated exhaust outlets. The wheels are 20-inchers with an aggressive "tuning-fork" five-spoke pattern.
A new hood features a large, forward-facing scoop. Underneath is the 6.2-liter supercharged LSA V-8 that also powers the Cadillac CTS-V. As we have already confirmed, this is quite a powerplant, delivering 556 horsepower at 6100 rpm and 551 pound-feet of torque at 3800 rpm. The Z/28 will also share the CTS-Vs six speed manual and automatic transmissions.
The near-4300-pound CTS-V thunders from 0 to 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and nails the quarter mile in 12.3 seconds (automatic) or 12.4 seconds (manual). Top speed is limited to 175 mph in the auto (to preserve the tranny), but the manual will storm to an autobahn-melting 193 mph. As the Z/28 will weigh 200 to 300 pounds less than the CTS-V, it may nail 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and run the quarter in the very low 12s. This Z/28 could be the fastest Chevy ponycar since the legendary ZL-1-powered COPO 9560 Camaros built 40 years ago.
Only problem is the Z/28 is on hold. First, GM ran out of money to finish and launch the car. Now, some inside the company are wondering whether selling a super-fast, super-powerful two-door Chevy coupe that will likely get no better than 13-19 mpg is the right thing to do for a company that's had to beg for money from a bunch of politicians who seem to think it really ought to be building gas-sipping Prius clones.
"In the current environment, it would be very difficult to get any traction on a large rear-drive program," says one insider. But a hard core of performance enthusiasts inside GM are hopeful they can get the Z/28 back on track. "If we leave it too long, the car will become irrelevant," frets one source. One idea reportedly under study calls for a strictly limited production run, with each car individually numbered, to attract collectors and enthusiasts, and priced to ensure a solid profit margin.
According to sources, GM product chief Bob Lutz has said that, while he would love to do the car, "We need to make the world right first." However, that could take cash-crunched GM a long, long time.
The Australian-developed Zeta platform that underpins the Camaro was the linchpin of GM's global rear-drive strategy. Although developed as a much lower-cost architecture than the Detroit-developed Sigma platform that underpins the Cadillac CTS, it was being considered as the basis for an all-new rear-drive replacement for the STS/DTS sedans. That program, like every large rear-drive program at GM, is on hold.
It's not just the fact that GM is short of cash; the other issue is the tougher CAFE standards that will mandate the automaker meet 35 mpg across its fleets by 2020. While being grilled by Congress last year, all three Detroit automakers unequivocally agreed they would meet that target. Which means large, heavy rear-drive cars don't have much of a future beyond the end of the next decade.
The Zeta platform is good through 2016, say GM sources. Engineers will work on weight reduction and efficiency improvements, such as better aero and standard six-speed transmission, on all Zeta-based vehicles to keep the platform viable through then.
Zeta's future is critically important for GM in Australia, where it underpins the volume-selling Holden Commodore and variants. But there are signs GM is prepared for a post-Zeta world Down Under.
The company has already announced a version of the Chevy Cruze will be manufactured in Australia. And now it plans to build a car based off the next-generation Epsilon architecture there, too. The new Epsilon can be stretched large enough to give the interior package Aussies want; more important, it can package all-wheel drive and even a transverse-mounted V-8 under the hood.
If Zeta goes, where would that leave Camaro? One scenario is that by 2020 it will be a smaller, lighter ponycar built on the compact rear-drive Alpha architecture being developed for Cadillac.
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I think they will probably still launch it eventually but shouldn't wait too long - just until a bunch of RS and SS Camaros are already on the road. If it's produced in very low volumes it shouldn't impact CAFE standards too bad and the car sounds like it is pretty much finished. They will definitely have no problem selling a "Z/28" of this magnitude in low numbers and they did after all release the 600hp ZR1 in basically the same economic situation.
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man that z28 would be nuts!!! 0-60 in 3.9 thats pretty sick i do find it funny how when they were announcing the car that they were like it has independent rear suspension lol.... like it was a new technology or something.
but who knows where gm is headed :S
but who knows where gm is headed :S