Svper

About time i came out and let the whole world know about this. I just recieved my Rx8 last month after a heart wrecking 3 month wait for it. Trust me when i say heart wrecking. For that 3 months i was constantly being tossed from left to right by the PI and the salesman who handled my sales. By not disclosing the names of the PI and salesman, i wish not to further bring up past disputes or quarrels against other PIs and salesman.

Soon after i made my downpayments and cash for accessories like any ordinary person would. I realised that i was actually issuing cheques to the saleman under his name. First initial "Booking Fee" was placed under company. Initially after which was additional payment for the full downpayment sum and money for my body kit which i asked the salesman to order for me. Reasons being that his boss required to cash in the cheque immediate and does not want to wait. I was requested to put the cheque under his name. Yes, i know it was stupid to do so but i was trusting and i did it anyway. Amount totalled up to $8000 SGD. Only when the salesman took a long break did the thought came to me that what happens if he just suddenly vanishes. Also coincidentally, another sales representative called up to follow up. When i asked the sales rep about my down payment, they could only find half of the amount that i paid in total in their records. Immediately i demanded for their boss and went down to find out what is happening. The salesman who took my down payments was in China and wont be coming back till the middle of the 3rd month. Which is why i requested that the boss of the PI call his staff and find out what is happening and why isnt my other payments recorded down on the sales agreement. Boss plainly said "He is on leave so lets not alarm him as we do not know what is happening now, why not wait for him to get back than we will arrange another meeting and get down to the bottom of things." Which totally made my trip down useless, and did not give me any assurance that the company is willing to help out or not. Unsatisfied they just said "There is nothing we can do now also." So for 3 weeks i had sleepless nights. When i tot it would end when the salesman came back and explain everything and all would go according to plan. But no... sadly salesman came back and told the company that he took the money as a personal loan from me. Which is crazy, i hardly know that guy. Why would i even lend him $8k. He gave me all sort of offers. $10k cash return with interest over 6 months If i paid the 8k back to the company first, compensations of $4k and even 12k worth of Rx8 parts from a Shinka2 whom owner is about to sell. I refused all offers as i know he would never be able to return. Cause the salesman did tell me; "Why blow this matter up, its only $10k not impossible to raise. Why want to make police report."

When it was nearing my collection date. The salesman still couldnt raise that amount and i was eager to get my car. It was very clear that if the salesman did not return the $8k, i would not be able to get my car even if it was sitting there in the showroom. Another meeting with the boss and the salesman was arranged. Salesman have already defered payment of the $8k for 2 weeks already but have yet to pay a single cent. Boss of the PI told me straight forward. It was me who was too trusting to issue a cheque to the salesman under his name in the first place, and did not recognise the $8k liable under his company. And also the salesman have claimed that it was a personal loan from me to him. Furious i told the boss to return me remaining cash back and i will make a police report and i am no longer interested in getting the car. The boss showed signs of agitation and decided to come to a agreement. First of all, the $5k for downpayment will be paid for by the company and the salesman have to find someone to guaranty this $5k. As for the $3k the company will pay too, but i have to guaranty this amount. Which is ridiculous but i agreed. It was better that i stand to lose $3k rather than the whole $8k, and having to buy my COE from them and leaving not much choices left for PIs bringing in the Rx8 Type S and then waiting again for 3 months. Because from what i know, all Type S are indent basis and minimum waiting time was 3 months. I didnt want to go through the wait at the same time stand to lose 8k.

So i took the car and signed the IOU that the company wrote. Been having fun for the past 1 month and guess what. Not only did the sales follow up on my car was inefficient. No CD player was given to me as well cause it was not part of the "Standard Option". Now... i paid $107k for a Rx8 and i dun even get a single disc normal CD player. Asked about the CD player i was told that it was a additional and chargable option of $500 dollars to install the CD mp3 player. Which after asking around, found out that it was free and thrown in by other PIs. Only later did i made it clear that i was seriously upset with the service, did the sales manager decided to throw it in, but was asked to wait for 2 months as they were going to indent it from japan. Lastly, the salesman who cheated me of the money, currently has disconnected his previous handphone, and failed to pay the monthly installment he agreed with the company on the $8k. I was than called up to ask to pay the balance share of $2800 which was agreed on my part. I am seriously taking up legal actions as i still have prove that the salesman took my cheques wrote it on the sales agreement, but have not updated on the company's copy. And both cash cheques were cleared by him. Frankly this has to be one of the most screwed up deals, I only can blame myself for being too trusting.

mkl22

wow. sorry to hear of your plight. I would have made a police report immediately once the salesman gave excuses. I rather lose 8k and see him jailed. yes i am that spiteful. Would suggest you made a police report asap.Not sure of what can be done. But at least explore all avenues. Anyway, welcome to the RX8 club. although the road to entry has been difficult.

morganoh

One more bad new.

even if u were to report it to the police, the police will not take any action against them. The police report is just a record and nothing more.

U have to spend more money and suit them yourselves

sqflyer

Unfortunate events... It would be pointless reporting to the police and you would never "see him jailed". The police will not get involved unless it is an obvious sign of criminal intent to cheat. The only way is to file a civil suit, but are you willing to do that for $2.8k?

Anyway, like you said, all in the past. Lesson learnt and thanks for sharing with the rest of your RX-8 brothers and sisters. Would be even better if you named the bloody PI so we can better be able to separate the crooks from the honest dealers. Welcome to the club.

Svper

Even if it's a civil suit, I dun see why i will have to pay for his misdoings. I rather i spend the money on a suit.

chuckchan888

yeah, wd b beneficial 4 rest of us to know who to avoid.

sqflyer

I agree with u, but you would have to spend lots of $$ and time for a civil suit. Even if you eventually prevail, that fella can just declare bankrupt and maybe he goes to jail or maybe not but confirm you will not get anything back but now you would have sunk in 10x more money in legal costs. So not cheap to see him in jail.

mkl22

yeah please post which PI.

gfoo

World of Wheels
The crook salesman is jimmy

I've posted this on my blog - give it a few days this will appear on Google top 10 when a person searches world of wheels singapore. muakakakakaka

SushiFan

I agree with sqflyer, you should name the PI to avoid other people falling into such sticky situations. It sounds like an elaborate scam to me man.

gfoo

Ben, my advice, put your story as a matter of public record - write to the press - i will guarantee that someone will cover it if you decide to do so

Rei

Really sorry to hear that...For all the trouble u went thru to get the 8, hope the
car is all worth it for u in the end...

But from wat I know, a 6 disc cd changer comes wif the stock jdm type s...
I dun think it is an additional option...perhaps u shld consider going back to
ur PI n ask for it to be given to u...although I dun think the stock changer plays
mp3...

Anyway, gd luck to u wif regards to the matter...Hope u nailed the crook n get ur
money back...

mkl22

wah its them ah. they used to talk a lot of **** in the forum saying they so good and all that. anyway my bro also kenna from them before. post links in other forums to alert people lor. I mean if they dare to ruin their reputation like that then we must 'help' them spread the word mah.

whitedragon

complain to CASE......make them work for consumers

CoupeM

So...where the f**k is Ashley now huh? Say I slander them...I pui!

sqflyer

"Real gold not scared fire", right?... so we shall see lor.

winn

When I was shopping for my 8, some of the bros and sis did strongly recommend me not go to WOW because of outstanding issues with them...

Now I know why!!

Cheers to the forum...

Swerve76

I have a strong urge to pee on their show cars now....

nex100

must id the salesman make sure he doesn't do others any more harm. He is lucky you did not sue him for fraud.

allen

If this is the case by bother to save their reputation. Tell the whole world their company and that sales man.

Let the whole world know. This kind of boss and salesman need to be taught a lesson. How can the Boss go along with it believing that you lent the salesman money. He should at least do something about it as salesman represent the company. This is making me ANGRY!!!

Bro GO TO CASE and make this a big issue. Ask CASE to issue a letter to the company and see how it goes. Print your cheque statement out to show that the cheque is issue to the salesman name. Even if you cant retrive back the money at least have them under blacklisted.

But if possible inform the boss you are going to take action regarding this issue.

I cant believe he never sack the salesman when this happen............

nex100

boss of the company all one kind one lah. Once a mechanic spoil my v-kool film then start to give excuses. When I lodge complain with the boss do you know what he say? "Mechanic spoil one, you go make teh mechanic pay lor. Not my business." Hello ... this mechanic work for you how can you be so irresponsible.

Then another time salesman promise me a lot of things. When cannot deliver, I confront the manager. You know what the manager say? "Salesman words do not come from the company. Company will not be responsible for what salesman promise." Win liao lor ... then basically ask the company to service my sale instead of salesman lah. Why hire all the salesman and then later say what they say or do are not the company responsibility.

What kind of bosses are these??

I think in Singapore, the consumers are too kind liao always give in to excuses, everything also nevermind. Go to 3rd world country this kind of thing happen I think the customer will ask his gangster brothers to sit in the showroom everyday liao.

gtsm

So sorry to hear about your plight.

Actually you can file a police report for the criminal intent to cheat. You do have records that the salesman wrote on your sales agreement for the cheques that he took right? That amounts to a criminal offence, for cheating you and the company that he works for.

I also agree with gfoo. Concurrently, this should be made public so that there's pressure for the police to act on it as well. Make it a double whammy and let the bast**d suffer! Damn, I sound rather vengeful, but I just don't think that people should be able to get away with something like that. The guy didn't even sound the least bit remorseful or repentant, for crying out loud!

For the record, I didn't get my cd changer as well. Cars Motor promised on multiple occasions, made so many appointments for me to go down to their place to fix the thing, but they all turned out to be wasted trips. 5 months down the line, there's still no news of my changer.

The perils of buying from PIs....

CoupeM

Ya..the guy not remorseful..he even offer his wife up to sell backside...who wans???

gfoo

lol.....yah man, i remember that - offered his wife to sell backside at geylang to pay for this - this type of man has no morals siah

Svper

Thanks to all for advice... and especially to the few good men and women (you know who you are) for supporting and giving me good advice all this time. especially gfoo who came all out of his way together with INXS to help me get through that 2 months.