Planning to buy RX8. Can RX8 owners help?
03-13-2004, 09:21 AM
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Planning to buy RX8. Can RX8 owners help?
Hello Everyone,
Wondering anyone can help me with this. This is my first time trying to buy from a parallel importer for Mazda RX8.
I am planning to get and auto one and Mazda performance only plan to bring in the 6 speed manual and I heard with spoiler was well. Costing close to S$140K where-else the auto at 210ps from parallel importers range from S$125.K to S$130K with a guarranteed COE. The 5 speed manual is also quoted at the same price. Of course, there are other differences in specs like 16" rim instead of 18" and sunroof. I am driving a SIR auto in its original condition since the day I bought it from Kah Motor 4 years ago. So, it is time to let go before the 5 years ...before another 10% drop of my parf value.
The problem I had is that for RX8 car servicing as well as parts replacement due to wear and tear, or touch wood, accident! Since the introduction of the new ARF scheme, it looks like I am going to stick to any new car I intended to buy for quite a while, so, servicing or parts replacement become even more important. Anyone got idea which one is the best or so call reliable ? I had one importer having tied up with BMB, Autoplus as well as Comfort Auto Service. I heard that there are approx 60 RX-8 on the Singapore roads here and have just seen two or three black ones..... Calling up Comfort Auto seemed to draw a blank. So what is the point of having free labor servicing if the workshop doesn't know how to service it? And most PI are more concern on selling the car. I guessed for performance car, you guys will have a "specialized garage" for these power monsters...... Some recommendations will be great.
The other having a workshop name something like Auto Wagon located in Ubi Road 1.
Appreciate if anyone can give me their views or comments on the workshop. Or if you have good trusty "lobang" for RX8, do let me know.
Another thing, I heard also that the RX-8 use dino oil and synthetic is not recommended. Been told HKS something like that, does anyone knows the grade ?
Anyway, since I had done some research on the PI here : for those who are in the same boat as I am here is some info I can share:
I think it is pretty impolite to publish names of PI but for those, who want to know more can probably check out the ST or email me.
So far, all the 3 models I had seen - 5 speed manual, basic standard and the Type E ( 4 speed auto but came in with leather seats- two tone type, electronically adjustable driver seat - and yes, it is height adjustable as well, 18" rim, Bose 9 speaker systems, and some other electronic control for traction...blah blah which was qouted to me @ S$145.8K- OMV for this one is S$45K whereelse, the rest are around S$37-38K). Anyway, I am not sure, but I think there are total 4 models for this RX8. Well, it is certainly more expensive than the Mazda Performance's S$140K for a 6 speed manual which also came with a sun roof. I had seen the japanese mazda website where the 6 speed and the auto, are selling at the same price. This of course based on standard fitted items that came with each model.
Wondering anyone can help me with this. This is my first time trying to buy from a parallel importer for Mazda RX8.
I am planning to get and auto one and Mazda performance only plan to bring in the 6 speed manual and I heard with spoiler was well. Costing close to S$140K where-else the auto at 210ps from parallel importers range from S$125.K to S$130K with a guarranteed COE. The 5 speed manual is also quoted at the same price. Of course, there are other differences in specs like 16" rim instead of 18" and sunroof. I am driving a SIR auto in its original condition since the day I bought it from Kah Motor 4 years ago. So, it is time to let go before the 5 years ...before another 10% drop of my parf value.
The problem I had is that for RX8 car servicing as well as parts replacement due to wear and tear, or touch wood, accident! Since the introduction of the new ARF scheme, it looks like I am going to stick to any new car I intended to buy for quite a while, so, servicing or parts replacement become even more important. Anyone got idea which one is the best or so call reliable ? I had one importer having tied up with BMB, Autoplus as well as Comfort Auto Service. I heard that there are approx 60 RX-8 on the Singapore roads here and have just seen two or three black ones..... Calling up Comfort Auto seemed to draw a blank. So what is the point of having free labor servicing if the workshop doesn't know how to service it? And most PI are more concern on selling the car. I guessed for performance car, you guys will have a "specialized garage" for these power monsters...... Some recommendations will be great.
The other having a workshop name something like Auto Wagon located in Ubi Road 1.
Appreciate if anyone can give me their views or comments on the workshop. Or if you have good trusty "lobang" for RX8, do let me know.
Another thing, I heard also that the RX-8 use dino oil and synthetic is not recommended. Been told HKS something like that, does anyone knows the grade ?
Anyway, since I had done some research on the PI here : for those who are in the same boat as I am here is some info I can share:
I think it is pretty impolite to publish names of PI but for those, who want to know more can probably check out the ST or email me.
So far, all the 3 models I had seen - 5 speed manual, basic standard and the Type E ( 4 speed auto but came in with leather seats- two tone type, electronically adjustable driver seat - and yes, it is height adjustable as well, 18" rim, Bose 9 speaker systems, and some other electronic control for traction...blah blah which was qouted to me @ S$145.8K- OMV for this one is S$45K whereelse, the rest are around S$37-38K). Anyway, I am not sure, but I think there are total 4 models for this RX8. Well, it is certainly more expensive than the Mazda Performance's S$140K for a 6 speed manual which also came with a sun roof. I had seen the japanese mazda website where the 6 speed and the auto, are selling at the same price. This of course based on standard fitted items that came with each model.
03-13-2004, 09:53 AM
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Hi and welcome. That was a very long 1st post there! :D
To answer your first question on PIs with workshops knowing how to service the RX-8, I can think of Garage R and EZ Imports. Garage R is also the official distributor of HKS stuff here, so they sell the HKS rotary oil as well. Its fully synthetic, 10W-40.
As for the pricing, it all depends on what you want to be factory fitted. If everthing is from the factory, the OMV will naturally be higher, and therefore higher taxes and ultimately a higher price.
So it depends on what you value at the end of the day.
To answer your first question on PIs with workshops knowing how to service the RX-8, I can think of Garage R and EZ Imports. Garage R is also the official distributor of HKS stuff here, so they sell the HKS rotary oil as well. Its fully synthetic, 10W-40.
As for the pricing, it all depends on what you want to be factory fitted. If everthing is from the factory, the OMV will naturally be higher, and therefore higher taxes and ultimately a higher price.
So it depends on what you value at the end of the day.
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Hi kgoh,
I'm also interested in the RX-8 and have been doing research since last November. Have to consider very carefully as the OMV plays an important role in determining car price and resale value!
With the new ARF structure, a simple way to compute the cost of the car without COE is to multiply OMV by 2.36. This will give cost with all taxes (20% customs duty, 5% GST on ONV & duty, 110% ARF). Add your COE and that will give you total cost. The difference between that and selling price is the dealer's markup.
Mazda S'pore has not confirmed the OMV for their car, but I've heard OMV is expected to be in low 30k range which is surprising since lots of stuff is factory fitted. PIs have OMVs for the 6sp at around 40k and if you look here, you will see that the average OMV for the ~40k for the auto and manual cars.
http://www.mta.org.sg/documents/omv2004_000.pdf
So, assuming an OMV of ~40K, car cost works out to be 2.36*40k + 22k COE = 116.4k, which means a markup of 23k for Mazda. Not bad considering their markups in this doc:
http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/update..._Cost_2004.pdf
if OMV is 35k, cost is 104.6k, translating into a markup of 35k for Mazda!
With all options, OMV should be higher, yet prices are competitive with PI pricing. Don't forget that Mazda offers a 3yr 100k km warranty, compared with 1 yr 20k km offered by PIs.
Good luck with your hunt!
I'm also interested in the RX-8 and have been doing research since last November. Have to consider very carefully as the OMV plays an important role in determining car price and resale value!
With the new ARF structure, a simple way to compute the cost of the car without COE is to multiply OMV by 2.36. This will give cost with all taxes (20% customs duty, 5% GST on ONV & duty, 110% ARF). Add your COE and that will give you total cost. The difference between that and selling price is the dealer's markup.
Mazda S'pore has not confirmed the OMV for their car, but I've heard OMV is expected to be in low 30k range which is surprising since lots of stuff is factory fitted. PIs have OMVs for the 6sp at around 40k and if you look here, you will see that the average OMV for the ~40k for the auto and manual cars.
http://www.mta.org.sg/documents/omv2004_000.pdf
So, assuming an OMV of ~40K, car cost works out to be 2.36*40k + 22k COE = 116.4k, which means a markup of 23k for Mazda. Not bad considering their markups in this doc:
http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/update..._Cost_2004.pdf
if OMV is 35k, cost is 104.6k, translating into a markup of 35k for Mazda!
With all options, OMV should be higher, yet prices are competitive with PI pricing. Don't forget that Mazda offers a 3yr 100k km warranty, compared with 1 yr 20k km offered by PIs.
Good luck with your hunt!
03-13-2004, 11:07 PM
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Thank you Fab & RX for the insights. Helps.
RX, I was checking the one motoring website the other day, trying to check the mark-up of PIs and Mazda. Whoever had priced it best, their offer will be more attractive.
But I am still more concern on the after sales servicing, not so much from the PI's side but the car workshop they had affliated or contracted for the servicing. You are correct that Mazda is offering 3 years servicing but for only the 6 speeds manual. This is much more comforting. But, I wanted an auto one which the salesman was very sure that Mazda will not bring that one in. Ah...... I like this car for its look and power but I am not a racer type who will do modification. The occasional thrills I had is when red lights turn green. That is it! Boring, right ?
Was at GR yesterday, looks like the ladies know what they are talking about with one of them having got her own 5 speed manual. And most of the Dec production date cars having the basic model standard accessories are tagged with OMV of S$38K.
Rx, have you decided yet where you are going to get yours ?
By the way, am I right that, only the models made before the Sept date are being recalled ?
I would very much like to hook you with you or Fab or any RX owners, my number 98359783.
RX, I was checking the one motoring website the other day, trying to check the mark-up of PIs and Mazda. Whoever had priced it best, their offer will be more attractive.
But I am still more concern on the after sales servicing, not so much from the PI's side but the car workshop they had affliated or contracted for the servicing. You are correct that Mazda is offering 3 years servicing but for only the 6 speeds manual. This is much more comforting. But, I wanted an auto one which the salesman was very sure that Mazda will not bring that one in. Ah...... I like this car for its look and power but I am not a racer type who will do modification. The occasional thrills I had is when red lights turn green. That is it! Boring, right ?
Was at GR yesterday, looks like the ladies know what they are talking about with one of them having got her own 5 speed manual. And most of the Dec production date cars having the basic model standard accessories are tagged with OMV of S$38K.
Rx, have you decided yet where you are going to get yours ?
By the way, am I right that, only the models made before the Sept date are being recalled ?
I would very much like to hook you with you or Fab or any RX owners, my number 98359783.
03-13-2004, 11:45 PM
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Hi kgoh,
Welcome.
Check out this board often, as we do meet up (suppose to have one today). Most likely next sunday then. Anyway, come by and we probably would be able to discuss more and it would not be too sensitive to talk about PI's experience here.
Anyway, IMO it's rather important that the PI you're getting the car from have a workshop who have experience with rotary. Especially when one of your main concern is the after sale servicing. I'm not familiar with BMB and Autoplus, but comfort would know jacksh*t about the rotary. I would advise you to pay a little more even if its 2-4k more from a PI who knows what they are talking and have workshop that are experience with the rotary. But if you really really, wouldn't want to pay any more than you should, you could always get it from your PI and then go to other workshops after. GR IMO is one of the best but they do comes with a little premium.
Most PIs offer 1 year warranty, but do check with your dealer if you could purchase additional warranty, which I did.
Not to worry about recall too much, either if you get from PI or Agent, your car will be fixed. Recall seems to be getting pretty common nowadays, Hondas, Nissans... So, no big deal.
Cheers
Welcome.
Check out this board often, as we do meet up (suppose to have one today). Most likely next sunday then. Anyway, come by and we probably would be able to discuss more and it would not be too sensitive to talk about PI's experience here.
Anyway, IMO it's rather important that the PI you're getting the car from have a workshop who have experience with rotary. Especially when one of your main concern is the after sale servicing. I'm not familiar with BMB and Autoplus, but comfort would know jacksh*t about the rotary. I would advise you to pay a little more even if its 2-4k more from a PI who knows what they are talking and have workshop that are experience with the rotary. But if you really really, wouldn't want to pay any more than you should, you could always get it from your PI and then go to other workshops after. GR IMO is one of the best but they do comes with a little premium.
Most PIs offer 1 year warranty, but do check with your dealer if you could purchase additional warranty, which I did.
Not to worry about recall too much, either if you get from PI or Agent, your car will be fixed. Recall seems to be getting pretty common nowadays, Hondas, Nissans... So, no big deal.
Cheers
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Hey, M-ster thxs for responding.
Now, I am gonna sound silly asking this ; what does IMO stand for?
Second question: a few PI told me that the car came with immobilizer even one offer to put in keyless. Another one told me there is NO IMMOBILIZER just a keyless remote control to and unlock. But at least everyone is consistent on the part of no alarm !
Now, I am gonna sound silly asking this ; what does IMO stand for?
Second question: a few PI told me that the car came with immobilizer even one offer to put in keyless. Another one told me there is NO IMMOBILIZER just a keyless remote control to and unlock. But at least everyone is consistent on the part of no alarm !
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Hey Thanks M,
Would it be possible for you to tell me where you got yours ? EZ or GR or someone esle ? And how much did you pay for the additional warranty period and the what was the extended period ?
And this warranty, does it cover the manufacturing defects like it did for the first year ?
Would it be possible for you to tell me where you got yours ? EZ or GR or someone esle ? And how much did you pay for the additional warranty period and the what was the extended period ?
And this warranty, does it cover the manufacturing defects like it did for the first year ?
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